A question for mormons.

[justbyfaith]

Jesus Christ, Only Begotten Son

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  See also Jesus Christ, Divine Sonship

• only begotten of the Father … full of grace and truth, John 1:14.
  
  
• God … the only begotten Son … he hath declared him, John 1:18.
  
  
• God … gave his only begotten Son, John 3:16 (D&C 20:21).
  
  
• God sent his only begotten Son into the world, 1 Jn. 4:9 (D&C 49:5).

• day cometh that the Only Begotten of the Father … shall manifest himself, 2 Ne. 25:12 (Jacob 4:5; Alma 5:48; 9:26; D&C 76:23; 93:11; 138:14; Moses 5:9).
  
  
• be reconciled … through the atonement of Christ, his Only Begotten Son, Jacob 4:11 (Alma 13:5).
  
  
• then will I have mercy upon you, through mine Only Begotten Son, Alma 12:33 (D&C 29:46).
  
  
• high priests … after the order of … the Only Begotten of the Father, Alma 13:9 (D&C 76:57; 124:123).

• redemption, through faith on the name of mine Only Begotten Son, D&C 29:42 (Moses 1:17, 21; 4:1; 6:52; 7:50, 59).
  
  
• angel … who rebelled against the Only Begotten Son, D&C 76:25.
  
  
• having denied the Only Begotten Son, D&C 76:35.
  
  
• through the grace of God … and his Only Begotten Son, D&C 138:14.
  
  
• through the sacrifice of the Only Begotten Son, D&C 138:57.

• Moses … thou art in the similitude of mine Only Begotten, Moses 1:6.
  
  
• by the word of my power, have I created them, which is mine Only Begotten Son, Moses 1:32 (1:6, 33; 2:1, 26; 3:18; 4:28).
  
  
• by mine Only Begotten I created these things, Moses 2:1.
  
  
• created man … in the image of mine Only Begotten, Moses 2:27.
  
  
• by the power of mine Only Begotten, I caused that he should be cast down, Moses 4:3.
  
  
• This thing is a similitude of the sacrifice of the Only Begotten, Moses 5:7.
  
  
• they would not … believe on his Only Begotten Son, Moses 5:57.
  
  
• name of his Only Begotten is the Son of Man, Moses 6:57.
  
  
• cleansed by blood, even the blood of mine Only Begotten, Moses 6:59 (6:62).
  
  
• truth will I send forth out of the earth, to bear testimony of mine Only Begotten, Moses 7:62.

Grailhunter isn't an LDS Christian.
I've already cited a bunch of verses explaining LDS Christian beliefs here.

Can you promise me that if I were to be baptized as a Mormon, that this information wouldn't change on me in the long run?

I'm inclined to believe the reports that tell me that Mormonism teaches that Jesus is the spirit-brother of Lucifer rather than God.

Is Lucifer not also begotten of God in Mormonism? How then is He the only begotten?

 

[Jane_Doe22]

If Mormonism is in no way in contradiction to the teachings of the Bible, then reading its documents is unnecessary concerning finding the unadulterated truth. You can find it in the Bible.

If, however, the documents of Mormonism are necessary for us to read, then Mormonism is not a part of the faith that was once and for all delivered to the saints (Jude 1:3). Because it claims to have a greater truth than what is found in the Bible; and therefore it the Bible is not enough if Mormonism be true. But the faith was delivered unto the saints by the time that Jude wrote his epistle, once, not twice.

*rolls eyes again*

justbyfaith, I've never once met a Christian whom took everything they believed just from scripture. They have teachers, the Spirit, historical context, tradition, etc, all informing their beliefs as well.

I do not hold to the belief that God suddenly changed and quit talking to His people. I thoroughly reject that idea. Rather, I enthusiastically shout how God is always the same, always speaks to His people, leads them individually & collectively, and has even more wonders for us yet to learn. He is wonderful like that.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Can you promise me that if I were to be baptized as a Mormon, that this information wouldn't change on me in the long run?

The facts of what LDS Christians believe (which I have stated here) don't ever change. Even if you spend decades in the church, studiing all documents and history backwards & forwards.

However, there are persecutors out there that downright hate LDS Christians. They are false teachers whom broadcast bad information, taking bad understandings, cite bad sources, ignore facts, and try to sell it to anyone whom would hear them out -- including well meaning folks who just don't know any better. And they try to convince anyone of that false information.

I'm inclined to believe the reports that tell me that Mormonism teaches that Jesus is the spirit-brother of Lucifer rather than God.

That's what the false teachers will tell you.
I cited actual LDS Christian beliefs in post 196.

Is Lucifer not also begotten of God in Mormonism?

No.

How then is He the only begotten?

Christ alone is the only Begotten Son. He alone was born of a virgin. He alone is the Son of God whom has always followed the will of the Father.
Lucifer wasn't ever born mortally at all. And obviously didn't always follow the will of the Father.

 

[justbyfaith]

No.
Christ alone is the only Begotten Son. He alone was born of a virgin. He alone is the Son of God whom has always followed the will of the Father.
Lucifer wasn't ever born mortally at all. And obviously didn't always follow the will of the Father.

So you're saying that Lucifer isn't Jesus' spirit-brother in Mormonism.

What would happen if I were baptized as a Mormon, then found out that He is the spirit-brother of Lucifer in the religion, and wanted out?

I've heard that Mormons ostracize and even kill people who try to escape the monstrosity of their cult.

If you tell me differently, I'm sorry, I'm not going to take any chances.

But if you know these things to be true and are telling me differently, I have to ask you where your conscience is.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

So you're saying that Lucifer isn't Jesus' spirit-brother in Mormonism.

Only in the same way that applies to every single other person: namely that the Father is/was the Father of all.

What would happen if I were baptized as a Mormon, then found out that He is the spirit-brother of Lucifer in the religion, and wanted out?.

1) You'd be finding out wrong.
2) If any person doesn't want to be a LDS Christian, they don't have to be. I've been one for decades- through and through, lots of family members, including some old Utah blood. And if I wanted to quit everything I could do so today. No one makes me go to church or anything I do. I could have my name / contact information removed from the congregation's rolls easily. I could just walk away at any point.

I've heard that Mormons ostracize and even kill people who try to escape the monstrosity of their cult.

That would be false.
Example: my favorite aunt is ex-LDS. She's still my favorite aunt. We last spoke today wishing each other happy Mother's Day, and I call her regularly for advice & companionship.

Are there some people out there that are jerks and can't tolerate other's choice? Yes, those exist in any camp. But they are wrong & sinning if they act that way.

But if you know these things to be true and are telling me differently, I have to ask you where your conscience is.

My loyalty is to God. First and foremost to Him. Part of my duty as His disciple is to be honest, and I hold to that very strongly.

 

[Grailhunter]

Could you two take discussion fo Grailhunter's beliefs somewhere else?

lol no. But we can stop talking

 

[justbyfaith]

2) If any person doesn't want to be a LDS Christian, they don't have to be. I've been one for decades- through and through, lots of family members, including some old Utah blood. And if I wanted to quit everything I could do so today. No one makes me go to church or anything I do. I could have my name / contact information removed from the congregation's rolls easily. I could just walk away at any point.

You should try it as an experiment. Tell all your Mormon friends that you now believe in the Jesus of the Bible and are rejecting Mormonism and want out of the Mormon church. Then do it (leave), for say, three months.

See what their reaction is.

On the other hand, don't.

In giving you this advice I could be signing your death warrant.

 

[justbyfaith]

I do not hold to the belief that God suddenly changed and quit talking to His people.

Neither do I. Therefore (because God does not change) for Mormonism to be valid, it cannot be in contradiction to any doctrine that we find in the Bible.

Nevertheless, the very OP and course of this thread shows that there is contradiction there.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

You should try it as an experiment. Tell all your Mormon friends that you now believe in the Jesus of the Bible and are rejecting Mormonism and want out of the Mormon church. Then do it (leave), for say, three months.

See what their reaction is.

On the other hand, don't.

In giving you this advice I could be signing your death warrant.

In my 20’s I quit going to church for several years. I also quit out of a church-owned school, and made it very known how I wanted to be left alone.

No hate or shunning happened. Lots of love. Acknowledging my decisions as well.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Neither do I. Therefore (because God does not change) for Mormonism to be valid, it cannot be in contradiction to any doctrine that we find in the Bible.

Nevertheless, the very OP and course of this thread shows that there is contradiction there.

Not really.

 

[justbyfaith]

Not really.

2Co 4:4, In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

 

[justbyfaith]

I will pray for you, Jane.

I think that this discussion is coming to a close.

You don't see what is plainly in front of you; so I see no reason in continuing to try and show it to you.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

I will pray for you, Jane.

I think that this discussion is coming to a close.

You don't see what is plainly in front of you; so I see no reason in continuing to try and show it to you.

JNF, I follow Christ. Not you or any other man. I investigate things thoroughly for myself.

I wish you well on your walk with Christ, may you ever grow closer with Him.

 

[justbyfaith]

JNF, I follow Christ. Not you or any other man. I investigate things thoroughly for myself.

I wish you well on your walk with Christ, may you ever grow closer with Him.

I'm certain that I will be in the highest heaven when He comes to take me home.

 

[Enoch111]

However, there are persecutors out there that downright hate LDS Christians.

We get this same response from Catholics. When the false doctrines of their church are exposed, people are haters and persecutors. The LDS church is as full of false teachings as the RCC, but you have simply chosen to shut your eyes to that. But even Christ says He hates false doctrines and false practices. See Revelation. That does not mean that He hates the ones who have been deceived or self-deceived.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

We get this same response from Catholics. When the false doctrines of their church are exposed, people are haters and persecutors. The LDS church is as full of false teachings as the RCC, but you have simply chosen to shut your eyes to that. But even Christ says He hates false doctrines and false practices. See Revelation. That does not mean that He hates the ones who have been deceived or self-deceived.

When a person doesn't bother to understand the beliefs they are protesting, or actively broadcasts bad information, or harasses another person, that is indeed persecution & hateful actions.

 

[justbyfaith]

When a person doesn't bother to understand the beliefs they are protesting, or actively broadcasts bad information, or harasses another person, that is indeed persecution & hateful actions.

But not necessarily for righteousness' sake.

And it can also be true that certain doctrines are hated while the people who hold them are not hated by the Christians who are seeking to deliver them from the spiritual poison that they have been imbibing.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

But not necessarily for righteousness' sake.

And it can also be true that certain doctrines are hated while the people who hold them are not hated by the Christians who are seeking to deliver them from the spiritual poison that they have been imbibing.

Persecuting another is poisonous.

Adult humans are perfectly capable of disagreeing without being disagreeable.

 

[justbyfaith]

Persecuting another is poisonous.

Peer pressure can actually be a good thing, if used for the right reasons.

Adult humans are perfectly capable of disagreeing without being disagreeable.

Makes no sense whatsoever.

 

[amadeus]

(Speaking in general)

Having disagreements is fine.

Having disagreements and holding a attitude disrespectful is bashing, and that's not ok. We always should treat people with love and respect, less we becoming clanging cymbal (1 Col 13).

That should be I Cor 13!