A Spirit of Unbelief

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Then you better bring the scriptures that teach what you are saying and which go along with your reasoning. Because what I read in the inspired word of God is that the wages of sin is death......and that there is a second death for those who die in their sins. What does the second death imply? "Fear Him who can destroy both body and SOUL in hades/hell." It simply means no eternal life. God is true to His word...death means death, as opposed to eternal life. Who can be exempt from the wages of sin apart from Christ? Who will not be hurt at all by the second death? Those who overcome by the BLOOD of the Lamb and the word of their TESTIMONY. The only way to have the blood of the lamb applied to us is through having a participation in the altar of His sacrifice by faith. If we don't drink His blood/eat His body we have no part with Him. And the only way to have a testimony of Christ is through receiving Him....someone who doesn't believe In Christ obviously cannot testify of Him.

Rev 2:11
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
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Rev 20:6
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
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Rev 20:14
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
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Rev 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

There is a way in which God is sovereign in these things.....hence not all were appointed to eternal life, only those who He foreknew. The rest will not inherit eternal life but I believe will cease to exist at some point after being judged, much like the animals were not created or appointed to eternal life. We have the allegory of the animals being brought into the ark that Noah built...signifying lost souls being saved. Peter received the vision of unclean animals signifying Gentile souls that were lost but could be saved. It has even been prophesied that the devil will die like a man. Man without God is basically an animal species. The potential is there in man to become "as gods", but the only way there and to become "like the angels" and inherit eternal life is through Christ.

2Pe 2:12
But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;
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Jde 1:10
But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.

Preach it sister

 

[Episkopos]

I just don't have time to focus and try to unpack all this right now. Father died recently and daughter's wedding is in two weeks and I'm rather overwhelmed. Just will say you are still compartmentalizing and not preaching/teaching in the same vein and SPIRIT as did Jesus and the apostles. It's not the same gospel as theirs at all. When you deny the foundation you deny the only basis and source from which holiness comes.

Your foundation is in you....not Christ, when you rely on your past experience. You rely on the Christ in YOU...not Christ. God never does the same thing twice. So you are resting on a past event. To your religious mind moving forward looks to you like you are giving up on Christ...so then out of fear of losing what you think you have, you bury your talent in order to present it back untouched (and unused) to the Lord. Don't go back to Bethel...move forward.

I'm admonishing you to AT LEAST give what you have received to the exchangers to give God back what is His (not yours) with interest. AT least learn some humility.

I explain this in more detail in my next podcast.

You think you understand the gospel...but you have locked on to a culturally religious one that is superficial and doesn't have any power. So of course you think I'm the one who is lacking! :) You are missing the irony here.

PS condolences to you for your dad, <><

 

[Episkopos]

Then you better bring the scriptures that teach what you are saying and which go along with your reasoning. Because what I read in the inspired word of God is that the wages of sin is death......and that there is a second death for those who die in their sins. What does the second death imply? "Fear Him who can destroy both body and SOUL in hades/hell." It simply means no eternal life. God is true to His word...death means death, as opposed to eternal life. Who can be exempt from the wages of sin apart from Christ? Who will not be hurt at all by the second death? Those who overcome by the BLOOD of the Lamb and the word of their TESTIMONY. The only way to have the blood of the lamb applied to us is through having a participation in the altar of His sacrifice by faith. If we don't drink His blood/eat His body we have no part with Him. And the only way to have a testimony of Christ is through receiving Him....someone who doesn't believe In Christ obviously cannot testify of Him.

Rev 2:11
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
TOOLS

Rev 20:6
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
TOOLS

Rev 20:14
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
TOOLS

Rev 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

There is a way in which God is sovereign in these things.....hence not all were appointed to eternal life, only those who He foreknew. The rest will not inherit eternal life but I believe will cease to exist at some point after being judged, much like the animals were not created or appointed to eternal life. We have the allegory of the animals being brought into the ark that Noah built...signifying lost souls being saved. Peter received the vision of unclean animals signifying Gentile souls that were lost but could be saved. It has even been prophesied that the devil will die like a man. Man without God is basically an animal species. The potential is there in man to become "as gods", but the only way there and to become "like the angels" and inherit eternal life is through Christ.

2Pe 2:12
But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;
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Jde 1:10
But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.

It's not my responsibility to continually post all the scriptures you are ignoring...there are FAR too many to post. You should read the bible yourself...not just read a propagandistic verse-a-day almanac that makes you feel good in your flesh. You have to consider ALL the words of the torah and the testimony. But you are a slippery one.

 

[Lizbeth]

You don't realize that you are in fact denying that very thing with your virtue-signalling lip self-service. I'm amazed that God hides His truth so well, so that the religious ideologues think the truth is offensive. God is ALL -WISE. Praise the Lord. <><

Oh but His truth is revealed to those who are His, and hid from those who aren't. Or who have been deceived and fallen away from sound doctrine.

 

[Episkopos]

Oh but His truth is revealed to those who are His, and hid from those who aren't. Or who have been deceived and fallen away from sound doctrine.

Is the truth what upholds you in your present condition, or what takes away from your confidence in your own self-esteem?

 

[Lizbeth]

Your foundation is in you....not Christ, when you rely on your past experience. You rely on the Christ in YOU...not Christ. God never does the same thing twice. So you are resting on a past event. To your religious mind moving forward looks to you like you are giving up on Christ...so then out of fear of losing what you think you have, you bury your talent in order to present it back untouched (and unused) to the Lord. Don't go back to Bethel...move forward.

I'm admonishing you to AT LEAST give what you have received to the exchangers to give God back what is His (not yours) with interest. AT least learn some humility.

I explain this in more detail in my next podcast.

You think you understand the gospel...but you have locked on to a culturally religious one that is superficial and doesn't have any power. So of course you think I'm the one who is lacking! :) You are missing the irony here.

PS condolences to you for your dad, <><

Not relying on a past experience, but on the Living Christ who lives in me now this moment, and has been in me ever since the past experience of receiving Him. We are to pay the price for following Him, sowing to the Spirit, obeying His word and His personal leading, that is how we invest the measure we've been given and grow in Him. That is how we maintain our lamps and keep them topped up with oil, buying the oil as we go along paying the price for it. Follow where He is leading us to, which is to where He is. "You know the way to where I am going." HE is the Way, and we know HIM.

 

[Behold]

You rely on the Christ in YOU...not Christ.

So, you also teach that Christ in you, is not actually Christ.

You literally just wrote that. "THE Christ", is "" not Christ."""

And you are podcasting this theological rot to people, and bragging about it.


Hummmmmm.

 

[Episkopos]

Not relying on a past experience, but on the Living Christ who lives in me now this moment, and has been in me ever since the past experience of receiving Him. We are to pay the price for following Him, sowing to the Spirit, obeying His word and His personal leading, that is how we invest the measure we've been given and grow in Him. That is how we maintain our lamps and keep them topped up with oil, buying the oil as we go along paying the price for it. Follow where He is leading us to, which is to where He is. "You know the way to where I am going." HE is the Way, and we know HIM.

I hope that is so. But why do you judge others outside the Body? Where do you get that kind of motivation? You have to look at what the grace is doing to you in your own self-esteem.

The ones who say..Lord, Lord...did many mighty works in Jesus name...but they forgot humility. They were not broken at the cross. They marched half-baked into battle for the Lord...but they looked down on righteousness...basic, simple righteousness. So they were surpassed in humility by those who knew nothing of grace. There is a dire warning about taking the righteousness away from the righteous (whom Jesus died to save) and then promote those who are unrighteous...just because you like the sound of their dogmatic religious stance.

I tell you this...that you need to mark your time...not from when you received grace..but from where you were broken at the cross. You need to follow Jesus to the end of yourself...at His cross.

Take your sample...that you have preserved very well..and get the full measure of grace at the throne of grace. To get there you will need to pass through the cross. That is the power that takes you out of the equation...so you can say with Paul...no longer "I".

 

[Episkopos]

So, you also teach that Christ in you, is not actually Christ.

You literally just wrote that. "THE Christ", is "" not Christ."""

And you are podcasting this theological rot to people, and bragging about it.


Hummmmmm.

Why do you not see that worshiping the "Christ in you" can so easily become self-worship? Is it Christ or is it the Christ in YOU that you care so much about? I don't think you care about the things of Christ for even a second. You are only interested in what benefits the YOU. Who is able to NOT try to uplift his own condition? Who is so great as to be able to distinguish what lurks within each person waiting to deceive. It is best to not be ignorant of the devil and his ways...that wants to edify the carnal religious outer man.

I said we are to worship Christ. But you reacted in the flesh against this. Look to yourself...how you justify yourself in every moment of your life.

Go to the cross and be delivered from yourself.

 

[Lizbeth]

Is the truth what upholds you in your present condition, or what takes away from your confidence in your own self-esteem?

Huh? What confidence? What self-esteem? The truth is the only thing that gives me the strength and hope to go on. I feel pared back to the bare bones sometimes, or almost there, not even knowing how to "be" alive, because there is not much left of the old false me that I used to rely on to engage with this life.

But it is like what Jesus said to the Pharisees.....you err because you don't seem to know the word of God or His power and how He works in the lives of His children. The Lord knows both how to comfort as well as how to instill His fear, and He reminds and gives us the thing that we need when He knows we truly need it. All working together for our good.

 

[Episkopos]

Huh? What confidence? What self-esteem? The truth is the only thing that gives me the strength and hope to go on. I feel pared back to the bare bones sometimes, or almost there, not even knowing how to "be" alive, because there is not much left of the old false me that I used to rely on to engage with this life.

Or so it seems. Death is a termination of a kind of life...not just a bare survival or ALMOST dead. This reminds me of the Princess Bride movie where the protagonist isn't dead just mostly dead...or nearly dead. He revives and continues as before.

Always learning but never coming to the knowledge of the truth in experience and reality.

What a tragedy to ALMOST do something. But God has chosen another way. The way of being crucified dead in an instant through a full surrender to God. But then you have stop having confidence that the solution lies somewhere in yourself.

Should you be applauded for your resourcefulness on thriving with a sample of grace?

But it is like what Jesus said to the Pharisees.....you err because you don't seem to know the word of God or His power and how He works in the lives of His children. The Lord knows both how to comfort as well as how to instill His fear, and He reminds and gives us the thing that we need when He knows we truly need it. All working together for our good.

The good so often gets in the way of the perfect. You have yet to learn that.

Grace and life are meant to flow out like a river. The morning dew is good...and collecting it is a good thing. But abiding in Christ as a dead person is the walk in perfection...His perfection...not ours.

The Pharisees professed to see..and Jesus said to them...because you say you see, your sin remains. How very apropos concerning all who think they know the truth whereas so few have any idea of the power of grace in full measure.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I hope that is so. But why do you judge others outside the Body? Where do you get that kind of motivation? You have to look at what the grace is doing to you in your own self-esteem.

We can ask the same of you

The ones who say..Lord, Lord...did many mighty works in Jesus name...but they forgot humility. They were not broken at the cross. They marched half-baked into battle for the Lord...but they looked down on righteousness...basic, simple righteousness. So they were surpassed in humility by those who knew nothing of grace. There is a dire warning about taking the righteousness away from the righteous (whom Jesus died to save) and then promote those who are unrighteous...just because you like the sound of their dogmatic religious stance.

They did forget humility. They thought their works are what saved them, Just like you do.

I tell you this...that you need to mark your time...not from when you received grace..but from where you were broken at the cross. You need to follow Jesus to the end of yourself...at His cross.

When will you be broken from the cross? I think we see she was broken, she does not boast in herself like you do..

Take your sample...that you have preserved very well..and get the full measure of grace at the throne of grace. To get there you will need to pass through the cross. That is the power that takes you out of the equation...so you can say with Paul...no longer "I".

I suggest you do this yourself before you tell others to do this..

 

[Behold]

Why do you not see that worshiping the "Christ in you"

Your quote that i re-posted stated that """ "THE Christ", is "" not Christ.""""

So, that theology, is off the chain.

And where you get the bizarre idea that Christians, Me, are "worshipping the "Christ in you"... ... ?????

Do you make this stuff up, or is some Heretics commentary your posted commentary,.... as that is "more than likely".

 

[Behold]

I don't think you care about the things of Christ for even a second.

According to your post, i'd say that you dont think, at all., Episkopos.

And the readers here, judge, who is real and who is full of themselves.

I leave that up to the Readers, the Mods, the Owner.

I HOPE that they compare my teaching, my Threads, my over 12,000 posts, to yours.
I welcome that examination.
Believe it.

 

[Behold]

I said we are to worship Christ.

I quoted you.

You said that ""THE Christ, is not Christ". and then you said something equally as bizarre, .... that we are "worshiping the Christ in us".

Yet none of us do that....

 

[Behold]

The ones who say..Lord, Lord...did many mighty works in Jesus name...but they forgot humility. They were not broken at the cross.

They were not born again, Episkopos.
That is why Christ did not "know them".

Let me show the reader something ...

If You are born again, then You are:

1.) "one with God, "in Christ' ..
2.) You are the "temple of the Holy Spirit", and "Christ is In you".
3.) You NAME is written in the "Lambs book of Life".

So, considering ALL that...>If Jesus said that He "didnt know you" then He'd be lying..

BUT, if none of that is you, then God does not Know you, as you must be born again to be Known by God.
As this "Knowing" is the Spiritual Union between God, Christ, and our born again Spirit.

 

[Episkopos]

They were not born again, Episkopos.
That is why Christ did not "know them".

Let me show the reader something ...

If You are born again, then You are:

1.) "one with God, "in Christ' ..
2.) You are the "temple of the Holy Spirit", and "Christ is In you".
3.) You NAME is written in the "Lambs book of Life".

So, considering ALL that...>If Jesus said that He "didnt know you" then He'd be lying..

BUT, if none of that is you, then God does not Know you, as you must be born again to be Known by God.
As this "Knowing" is the Spiritual Union between God, Christ, and our born again Spirit.

So when Paul says that we Gentiles being grafted into the Vine Israel...we are NOT like the original Israelites that were cut off? We are safe by being "born-again" into the race of faith?

Contrary to your teaching we have the bible.

Rom. 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

1 Peter 1:17​

“And if you call on the Father, who without respect of persons judges according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:”

Are you greater than Paul and Peter? By your inflated words and ego you take the very place of God. Or maybe that is for the ones who call on the Father only? So you don't call on the Father...does that make you immune from having to fear God?

You are not supposed to be high-minded. Maybe you haven't read the bible through yet???

You have everything backwards.

 

[Lizbeth]

Or so it seems. Death is a termination of a kind of life...not just a bare survival or ALMOST dead. This reminds me of the Princess Bride movie where the protagonist isn't dead just mostly dead...or nearly dead. He revives and continues as before.

Always learning but never coming to the knowledge of the truth in experience and reality.

What a tragedy to ALMOST do something. But God has chosen another way. The way of being crucified dead in an instant through a full surrender to God. But then you have stop having confidence that the solution lies somewhere in yourself.

Should you be applauded for your resourcefulness on thriving with a sample of grace?

The good so often gets in the way of the perfect. You have yet to learn that.

Grace and life are meant to flow out like a river. The morning dew is good...and collecting it is a good thing. But abiding in Christ as a dead person is the walk in perfection...His perfection...not ours.

You accused me of having self confidence in my self esteem and I'm telling you you're perception is wrong. So now you come back with more accusations. Instead of bringing the word of God your answer to everything is to accuse and rebuke.

The solution is Christ in us the hope of glory....why is He in us the hope of glory and an indescribable gift? Your doctrine is just plain wrong.

 

[Lizbeth]

It's not my responsibility to continually post all the scriptures you are ignoring...there are FAR too many to post. You should read the bible yourself...not just read a propagandistic verse-a-day almanac that makes you feel good in your flesh. You have to consider ALL the words of the torah and the testimony. But you are a slippery one.

Slippery? Hmm, I'm not the one slinking away from the word of God. And it's HIS word you are fighting against.

 

[Episkopos]

Slippery? Hmm, I'm not the one slinking away from the word of God. And it's HIS word you are fighting against.

Oh, the irony.

I marvel how God keeps His ways beyond carnal understanding.