Why are you obsessed with killing them? Are you involved with the abortion industry? Did your wife ever have a baby? Did you feel it MOVING. It's quite a blessing! It's quite alive!
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Let's start with some actual definitions:
LIFE:
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MOTHER:
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PREGNANCY:
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PREGNANT:
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LIFE:
"life (n.)
Old English life (dative lif) "animated corporeal existence; lifetime, period between birth and death; the history of an individual from birth to death, written account of a person's life; way of life (good or bad); condition of being a living thing, opposite of death; spiritual existence imparted by God, through Christ, to the believer," from Proto-Germanic *leiban (source also of Old Norse lif "life, body," Old Frisian, Old Saxon lif "life, person, body," Dutch lijf "body," Old High German lib "life," German Leib "body"), properly "continuance, perseverance," from PIE root *leip- "to stick, adhere."
The noun associated with live (v.) "to live," which is literally "to continue, remain." Extended 1703 to inanimate objects, "term of duration or existence." Sense of "vitality, energy in action, expression, etc." is from 1580s. Meaning "conspicuously active part of human existence, pleasures or pursuits of the world or society" is by 1770s. Meaning "cause or source of living" led to the sense "vivifying or animating principle," and thus "one who keeps things lively" in life of the party (1787). Meaning "imprisonment for life, a life sentence" is from 1903. Paired alliteratively with limb from 1640s. Not on your life "by no means" is attested from 1896.
In gaming, an additional turn at play for a character; this transferred use was prefigured by uses in card-playing (1806), billiards (1856), etc., in reference to a certain number of chances or required objects without which one's turn at the game fails. The life "the living form or model, semblance" is from 1590s. Life-and-death "of dire importance" is from 1822; life-or-death (adj.) is from 1897. Life-jacket is from 1840; life-preserver from 1630s of anything that is meant to save a life, 1803 of devices worn to prevent drowning. Life-saver is from 1883, figurative use from 1909, as a brand of hard sugar candy from 1912, so called for shape.
Life-form is from 1861; life-cycle is from 1855; life-expectancy from 1847; life-history in biology from 1870; life-science from 1935. Life-work "the labor to which one's life has been devoted" is from 1848. Expression this is the life is from 1919; verbal shrug that's life is from 1924 (earlier such is life, 1778)." - life | Etymology, origin and meaning of life by etymonline
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MOTHER:
"female parent, a woman in relation to her child," Middle English moder, from Old English modor, from Proto-Germanic *mōdēr (source also of Old Saxon modar, Old Frisian moder, Old Norse moðir, Danish moder, Dutch moeder, Old High German muoter, German Mutter), from PIE *mater- "mother" (source also of Latin māter, Old Irish mathir, Lithuanian motė, Sanskrit matar-, Greek mētēr, Old Church Slavonic mati), "ased ultimately on the baby-talk form *mā- (2); with the kinship term suffix *-ter-" [Watkins]. Spelling with -th- dates from early 16c., though that pronunciation is probably older (see father (n.)).
Sense of "that which has given birth to anything" is from late Old English; as a familiar term of address to an elderly woman, especially of the lower class, by c. 1200." - mother | Etymology, origin and meaning of mother by etymonline
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PREGNANCY:
" pregnancy (n.)
"state of a female who has conceived or is with child," 1520s (originally figurative), from pregnant (adj.1) + abstract noun suffix -cy. Literal use attested from 1590s. An earlier word in this sense was pregnacioun (early 15c.), from Old French pregnacion and Latin praegnationem." - pregnancy | Etymology, origin and meaning of pregnancy by etymonline
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PREGNANT:
"pregnant (adj.1)
"with child, impregnated, that has conceived in the womb," early 15c., from Latin praegnantem (nominative praegnans, originally praegnas) "with child," literally "before birth," probably from prae- "before" (see pre-) + root of gnasci "be born" (from PIE root *gene- "give birth, beget").
The word tended to be avoided in polite conversation until c. 1950; modern euphemisms include anticipating, enceinte, expecting, in a family way, in a delicate (or interesting) condition. Old English terms included mid-bearne, literally "with child;" bearn-eaca, literally "child-adding" or "child-increasing;" and geacnod "increased." Among c. 1800 slang terms for "pregnant" was poisoned (in reference to the swelling).
pregnant (adj.2)
["convincing, weighty, pithy, full of meaning"] late 14c., "cogent, convincing, compelling" (of evidence, an argument, etc.); c. 1400 as "full of meaning;" from Old French preignant "pregnant, pithy, ready capable," which is probably from Latin praegnans "with child, pregnant, full" and thus the same word as pregnant (adj.1).
All uses seem to be derivable from the sense of "with child." But in some sources this English pregnant has been referred to French prenant, present participle of prendre "to take," or to the French present participle of preindre "press, squeeze, stamp, crush," from earlier priembre, from Latin premere "to press, hold fast, cover, crowd, compress." The two English adjectives are so confused as to be practically one word, if they were not always so." - pregnant | Etymology, origin and meaning of pregnant by etymonline
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ABORTION (ETYMOLOGY):
"abortion (n.)
1540s, "the expulsion of the fetus before it is viable," originally of deliberate as well as unintended miscarriages; from Latin abortionem (nominative abortio) "miscarriage; abortion, procuring of an untimely birth," noun of action from past-participle stem of aboriri "to miscarry, be aborted, fail, disappear, pass away," a compound word used in Latin for deaths, miscarriages, sunsets, etc., which according to OED is from ab, here as "amiss" (see ab-), + stem of oriri "appear, be born, arise" (see origin).
Meaning "product of an untimely birth" is from 1630s; earlier in this sense was abortive (early 14c.). Another earlier noun in English for "miscarriage" was abort (early 15c.). In the Middle English translation of Guy de Chauliac's "Grande Chirurgie" (early 15c.) Latin aborsum is used for "stillbirth, forced abortion." Abortment is attested from c. 1600; aborsement from 1530s, both archaic. Aborticide (1875) is illogical. Compare miscarriage.
In 19c. some effort was made to distinguish abortion "expulsion of the fetus between 6 weeks and 6 months" from miscarriage (the same within 6 weeks of conception) and premature labor (delivery after 6 months but before due time). The deliberate miscarriage was criminal abortion. This broke down late 19c. as abortion came to be used principally for intentional miscarriages, probably via phrases such as procure an abortion.
Foeticide (n.) appears 1823 as a forensic medical term for deliberate premature fatal expulsion of the fetus; also compare prolicide. Another 19c. medical term for it was embryoctony, with second element from a Latinized form of Greek kteinein "to destroy." Abortion was a taboo word for much of early 20c., disguised in print as criminal operation (U.S.) or illegal operation (U.K.), and replaced by miscarriage in film versions of novels. Abortium "hospital specializing in abortions," is from 1934, in a Soviet Union context." - abortion | Search Online Etymology Dictionary
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"AN EXPLANATION OF MEDICAL TERMS USED IN THIS WORK, AND IN MEDICAL WORKS GENERALLY
... Abortion. A miscarriage, or producing a child before the natural time of birth. {1868 JNL, HBH 214.3} ..." - John Norton Loughborough, The Handbook of Health, page 214.3
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MISCARRY:
"miscarry (v.)
c. 1300, "go astray;" mid-14c., "come to harm; come to naught, perish;" of persons, "to die," of objects, "to be lost or destroyed," from mis- (1) "wrongly" + caryen "to carry" (see carry (v.)). Meaning "deliver an unviable fetus" is recorded from 1520s (compare abortion); that of "fail to reach the intended result, come to naught" (of plans or designs) is from c. 1600. Related: Miscarried; miscarrying." - miscarry | Etymology, origin and meaning of miscarry by etymonline
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MISCARRIAGE:
"miscarriage (n.)
1580s, "mistake, error, a going wrong;" 1610s, "misbehavior, wrong or perverse course of conduct;" see miscarry + -age. In pathology, the meaning "untimely delivery" is from 1660s, on the notion of "fail to reach the intended result." Miscarriage of justice is from 1875, from the "going wrong" sense." - miscarriage | Etymology, origin and meaning of miscarriage by etymonline
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KILL:
"kill (v.)
c. 1200, "to strike, hit, beat, knock;" c. 1300, "to deprive of life, put to death;" perhaps from an unrecorded variant of Old English cwellan "to kill, murder, execute," from Proto-Germanic *kwaljanan (source also of Old English cwelan "to die," cwalu "violent death;" Old Saxon quellian "to torture, kill;" Old Norse kvelja "to torment;" Middle Dutch quelen "to vex, tease, torment;" Old High German quellan "to suffer pain," German quälen "to torment, torture"), from PIE root *gwele- "to throw, reach," with extended sense "to pierce." Related: Killed; killing.
The meaning "to nullify or neutralize the qualities of" is attested from 1610s. Of time, from 1728; of engines, from 1886; of lights, from 1934. Kill-devil, colloquial for "rum," especially if new or of bad quality, is from 1630s. Dressed to kill is first attested 1818 in a letter of Keats (compare killing (adj.) in the sense "overpowering, fascinating, attractive")." - kill | Search Online Etymology Dictionary
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TERMINATE:
"terminate (v.)
early 15c., "bring to an end," from Latin terminatus, past participle of terminare "to mark the end or boundary," from terminus "end, limit" (see terminus). Intransitive sense of "to come to an end" is recorded from 1640s; meaning "dismiss from a job" is recorded from 1973; that of "to assassinate" is from 1975. Related: Terminated; terminating." - terminate | Search Online Etymology Dictionary
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MURDER:
"murder (n.)
"unlawful killing of another human being by a person of sound mind with premeditated malice," c. 1300, murdre, earlier morþer, from Old English morðor (plural morþras) "secret killing of a person, unlawful killing," also "mortal sin, crime; punishment, torment, misery," from Proto-Germanic *murthran (source also of Goth maurþr, and, from a variant form of the same root, Old Saxon morth, Old Frisian morth, Old Norse morð, Middle Dutch moort, Dutch moord, German Mord "murder"), from suffixed form of PIE root *mer- "to rub away, harm" (also "to die" and forming words referring to death and to beings subject to death).
The spelling with -d- probably reflects influence of Anglo-French murdre, from Old French mordre, from Medieval Latin murdrum, which is from the Germanic word. A parallel form murther persisted into 19c.
In Old Norse, custom distinguished morð "secret slaughter" from vig "slaying." The former involved concealment, or slaying a man by night or when asleep, and was a heinous crime. The latter was not a disgrace, if the killer acknowledged his deed, but he was subject to vengeance or demand for compensation.
Weakened sense of "very unpleasant situation" is from 1878. Inverted slang sense of "something excellent or terrific" is by 1940. As the name of a parlor or children's game, by 1933." - murder | Search Online Etymology Dictionary
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ABORTION (ETYMOLOGY):
"abortion (n.)
1540s, "the expulsion of the fetus before it is viable," originally of deliberate as well as unintended miscarriages; from Latin abortionem (nominative abortio) "miscarriage; abortion, procuring of an untimely birth," noun of action from past-participle stem of aboriri "to miscarry, be aborted, fail, disappear, pass away," a compound word used in Latin for deaths, miscarriages, sunsets, etc., which according to OED is from ab, here as "amiss" (see ab-), + stem of oriri "appear, be born, arise" (see origin).
Meaning "product of an untimely birth" is from 1630s; earlier in this sense was abortive (early 14c.). Another earlier noun in English for "miscarriage" was abort (early 15c.). In the Middle English translation of Guy de Chauliac's "Grande Chirurgie" (early 15c.) Latin aborsum is used for "stillbirth, forced abortion." Abortment is attested from c. 1600; aborsement from 1530s, both archaic. Aborticide (1875) is illogical. Compare miscarriage.
In 19c. some effort was made to distinguish abortion "expulsion of the fetus between 6 weeks and 6 months" from miscarriage (the same within 6 weeks of conception) and premature labor (delivery after 6 months but before due time). The deliberate miscarriage was criminal abortion. This broke down late 19c. as abortion came to be used principally for intentional miscarriages, probably via phrases such as procure an abortion.
Foeticide (n.) appears 1823 as a forensic medical term for deliberate premature fatal expulsion of the fetus; also compare prolicide. Another 19c. medical term for it was embryoctony, with second element from a Latinized form of Greek kteinein "to destroy." Abortion was a taboo word for much of early 20c., disguised in print as criminal operation (U.S.) or illegal operation (U.K.), and replaced by miscarriage in film versions of novels. Abortium "hospital specializing in abortions," is from 1934, in a Soviet Union context." - abortion | Search Online Etymology Dictionary
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"AN EXPLANATION OF MEDICAL TERMS USED IN THIS WORK, AND IN MEDICAL WORKS GENERALLY
... Abortion. A miscarriage, or producing a child before the natural time of birth. {1868 JNL, HBH 214.3} ..." - John Norton Loughborough, The Handbook of Health, page 214.3
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MISCARRY:
"miscarry (v.)
c. 1300, "go astray;" mid-14c., "come to harm; come to naught, perish;" of persons, "to die," of objects, "to be lost or destroyed," from mis- (1) "wrongly" + caryen "to carry" (see carry (v.)). Meaning "deliver an unviable fetus" is recorded from 1520s (compare abortion); that of "fail to reach the intended result, come to naught" (of plans or designs) is from c. 1600. Related: Miscarried; miscarrying." - miscarry | Etymology, origin and meaning of miscarry by etymonline
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MISCARRIAGE:
"miscarriage (n.)
1580s, "mistake, error, a going wrong;" 1610s, "misbehavior, wrong or perverse course of conduct;" see miscarry + -age. In pathology, the meaning "untimely delivery" is from 1660s, on the notion of "fail to reach the intended result." Miscarriage of justice is from 1875, from the "going wrong" sense." - miscarriage | Etymology, origin and meaning of miscarriage by etymonline
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KILL:
"kill (v.)
c. 1200, "to strike, hit, beat, knock;" c. 1300, "to deprive of life, put to death;" perhaps from an unrecorded variant of Old English cwellan "to kill, murder, execute," from Proto-Germanic *kwaljanan (source also of Old English cwelan "to die," cwalu "violent death;" Old Saxon quellian "to torture, kill;" Old Norse kvelja "to torment;" Middle Dutch quelen "to vex, tease, torment;" Old High German quellan "to suffer pain," German quälen "to torment, torture"), from PIE root *gwele- "to throw, reach," with extended sense "to pierce." Related: Killed; killing.
The meaning "to nullify or neutralize the qualities of" is attested from 1610s. Of time, from 1728; of engines, from 1886; of lights, from 1934. Kill-devil, colloquial for "rum," especially if new or of bad quality, is from 1630s. Dressed to kill is first attested 1818 in a letter of Keats (compare killing (adj.) in the sense "overpowering, fascinating, attractive")." - kill | Search Online Etymology Dictionary
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TERMINATE:
"terminate (v.)
early 15c., "bring to an end," from Latin terminatus, past participle of terminare "to mark the end or boundary," from terminus "end, limit" (see terminus). Intransitive sense of "to come to an end" is recorded from 1640s; meaning "dismiss from a job" is recorded from 1973; that of "to assassinate" is from 1975. Related: Terminated; terminating." - terminate | Search Online Etymology Dictionary
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MURDER:
"murder (n.)
"unlawful killing of another human being by a person of sound mind with premeditated malice," c. 1300, murdre, earlier morþer, from Old English morðor (plural morþras) "secret killing of a person, unlawful killing," also "mortal sin, crime; punishment, torment, misery," from Proto-Germanic *murthran (source also of Goth maurþr, and, from a variant form of the same root, Old Saxon morth, Old Frisian morth, Old Norse morð, Middle Dutch moort, Dutch moord, German Mord "murder"), from suffixed form of PIE root *mer- "to rub away, harm" (also "to die" and forming words referring to death and to beings subject to death).
The spelling with -d- probably reflects influence of Anglo-French murdre, from Old French mordre, from Medieval Latin murdrum, which is from the Germanic word. A parallel form murther persisted into 19c.
In Old Norse, custom distinguished morð "secret slaughter" from vig "slaying." The former involved concealment, or slaying a man by night or when asleep, and was a heinous crime. The latter was not a disgrace, if the killer acknowledged his deed, but he was subject to vengeance or demand for compensation.
Weakened sense of "very unpleasant situation" is from 1878. Inverted slang sense of "something excellent or terrific" is by 1940. As the name of a parlor or children's game, by 1933." - murder | Search Online Etymology Dictionary
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SLAY:
"slay (v.)
Middle English slēn, "strike, beat, strike so as to kill, commit murder," from Old English slean "to smite, strike, beat," also "to kill with a weapon, slaughter" (class VI strong verb; past tense sloh, slog, past participle slagen), from Proto-Germanic *slahanan "to hit" (source also of Old Norse and Old Frisian sla, Danish slaa, Middle Dutch slaen, Dutch slaan, Old High German slahan, German schlagen, Gothic slahan "to strike"). The Germanic words are said to be from PIE root *slak- "to strike" (source also of Middle Irish past participle slactha "struck," slacc "sword"), but, given certain phonetic difficulties and that the only cognates are Celtic, Boutkan says the evidences "point to a North European substratum word."
Modern German cognate schlagen maintains the original sense of "to strike."
It is attested by late 12c. as "destroy, put an end to." The meaning "overwhelm with delight" (mid-14c.) preserves one of the wide range of meanings the word once had, including, in Old English, "stamp (coins); forge (weapons); throw, cast; pitch (a tent), to sting (of a snake); to dash, rush, come quickly; play (the harp); gain by conquest."" - slay | Etymology, origin and meaning of slay by etymonline
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CAPITAL PUNISHMENT:
"A capital crime or offense (1520s) is one that involves the penalty of death and thus affects the life or "head" (capital had a sense of "deadly, mortal" from late 14c. in English, as it did earlier in Latin). The felt connection between "head" and "life, mortality" also existed in Old English: as in heafodgilt "deadly sin, capital offense," heafdes þolian "to forfeit life." Capital punishment was in Blackstone (1765) and classical Latin capitis poena." - capital punishment | Search Online Etymology Dictionary
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ECTOPIC (PREGNANCY):
"ectopic (adj.)
1864 in reference to pregnancy, from ectopia "morbid displacement of parts" (1847), coined in Modern Latin from Greek ektopos "away from a place, distant; foreign, strange," from ek- "out" (see ex-) + topos "place" (see topos)." - ectopic | Etymology, origin and meaning of ectopic by etymonline
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STILL BIRTH (STILL & BIRTH):
"stillbirth (n.)
also still-birth, 1764, from still (adj.) + birth (n.).
Old English stille "motionless, stable, fixed, stationary," from Proto-Germanic *stilli- (source also of Old Frisian, Middle Low German, Middle Dutch stille, Dutch stil, Old High German stilli, German still), from PIE *stel-ni-, suffixed form of root *stel- "to put, stand, put in order," with derivatives referring to a standing object or place. Meaning "quiet, calm, gentle, silent" emerged in later Old English. Euphemistic for "dead" in stillborn, etc. Still small voice is from KJV:
Used as a conjunction from 1722.
birth (n.)
c. 1200, "fact of being born;" mid-13c., "act of giving birth, a bringing forth by the mother, childbirth," sometimes in Middle English also "conception;" also "that which is born, offspring, child;" from a Scandinavian source such as Old Norse *byrðr (replacing cognate Old English gebyrd "birth, descent, race; offspring; nature; fate"), from Proto-Germanic *gaburthis (source also of Old Frisian berd, Old Saxon giburd, Dutch geboorte, Old High German giburt, German geburt, Gothic gabaurþs), from PIE *bhrto past participle of root *bher- (1) "to carry; to bear children" (compare bear (v.)).
The Germanic suffix -th is for "process" (as in bath, death). The meaning "condition into which a person is born, lineage, descent" is attested from c. 1200 (it was also in the Old English word). In reference to non-living things, "any coming into existence" is from 1610s. Birth control is from 1914; birth certificate is from 1842." - stillbirth | Etymology, origin and meaning of stillbirth by etymonline
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BORN:
"born (adj.)
Old English boren, alternative past participle of beran (see bear (v.)). The -en of the Middle English past participles tended to drop the -e- in some verbs, especially after vowels, -r-, and -l- , hence also slain, etc., Middle English stoln. "In modern use the connexion with bear is no longer felt; the phrase to be born has become virtually an intr. verb" [OED].
It is attested from early 14c. as "possessing from birth the character or quality described" (born poet, born loser, etc.). It is from 1710 as "innate, inherited;" the colloquial expression in (one's) born days "in (one's) lifetime" is by 1742. The distinction of born from borne (q.v.) is 17c. " - born | Etymology, origin and meaning of born by etymonline
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BEAR (CHILD BEARING):
"bear (v.)
Old English beran "to carry, bring; bring forth, give birth to, produce; to endure without resistance; to support, hold up, sustain; to wear" (class IV strong verb; past tense bær, past participle boren), from Proto-Germanic *beranan (source also of Old Saxon beran, Old Frisian bera "bear, give birth," Middle Dutch beren "carry a child," Old High German beran, German gebären, Old Norse bera "carry, bring, bear, endure; give birth," Gothic bairan "to carry, bear, give birth to"), from PIE root *bher- (1) "carry a burden, bring," also "give birth" (though only English and German strongly retain this sense, and Russian has beremennaya "pregnant").
The Old English past tense bær became Middle English bare; the alternative bore began to appear c. 1400, but bare remained the literary form till after 1600. Past-participle distinction of borne for "carried" and born for "given birth" is from late 18c.
Many senses are from the notion of "move onward by pressure." To bear down "proceed forcefully toward" (especially in nautical use) is from 1716. The verb is attested from c. 1300 as "possess as an attribute or characteristic." The meaning "sustain without sinking" is from 1520s; to bear (something) in mind is from 1530s; the meaning "tend, be directed" (in a certain way) is from c. 1600. To bear up is from 1650s as "be firm, have fortitude."" - bear | Etymology, origin and meaning of bear by etymonline
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SLAY:
"slay (v.)
Middle English slēn, "strike, beat, strike so as to kill, commit murder," from Old English slean "to smite, strike, beat," also "to kill with a weapon, slaughter" (class VI strong verb; past tense sloh, slog, past participle slagen), from Proto-Germanic *slahanan "to hit" (source also of Old Norse and Old Frisian sla, Danish slaa, Middle Dutch slaen, Dutch slaan, Old High German slahan, German schlagen, Gothic slahan "to strike"). The Germanic words are said to be from PIE root *slak- "to strike" (source also of Middle Irish past participle slactha "struck," slacc "sword"), but, given certain phonetic difficulties and that the only cognates are Celtic, Boutkan says the evidences "point to a North European substratum word."
Modern German cognate schlagen maintains the original sense of "to strike."
It is attested by late 12c. as "destroy, put an end to." The meaning "overwhelm with delight" (mid-14c.) preserves one of the wide range of meanings the word once had, including, in Old English, "stamp (coins); forge (weapons); throw, cast; pitch (a tent), to sting (of a snake); to dash, rush, come quickly; play (the harp); gain by conquest."" - slay | Etymology, origin and meaning of slay by etymonline
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CAPITAL PUNISHMENT:
"A capital crime or offense (1520s) is one that involves the penalty of death and thus affects the life or "head" (capital had a sense of "deadly, mortal" from late 14c. in English, as it did earlier in Latin). The felt connection between "head" and "life, mortality" also existed in Old English: as in heafodgilt "deadly sin, capital offense," heafdes þolian "to forfeit life." Capital punishment was in Blackstone (1765) and classical Latin capitis poena." - capital punishment | Search Online Etymology Dictionary
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ECTOPIC (PREGNANCY):
"ectopic (adj.)
1864 in reference to pregnancy, from ectopia "morbid displacement of parts" (1847), coined in Modern Latin from Greek ektopos "away from a place, distant; foreign, strange," from ek- "out" (see ex-) + topos "place" (see topos)." - ectopic | Etymology, origin and meaning of ectopic by etymonline
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STILL BIRTH (STILL & BIRTH):
"stillbirth (n.)
also still-birth, 1764, from still (adj.) + birth (n.).
Entries linking to stillbirth
still (adj.)Old English stille "motionless, stable, fixed, stationary," from Proto-Germanic *stilli- (source also of Old Frisian, Middle Low German, Middle Dutch stille, Dutch stil, Old High German stilli, German still), from PIE *stel-ni-, suffixed form of root *stel- "to put, stand, put in order," with derivatives referring to a standing object or place. Meaning "quiet, calm, gentle, silent" emerged in later Old English. Euphemistic for "dead" in stillborn, etc. Still small voice is from KJV:
Used as a conjunction from 1722.
birth (n.)
c. 1200, "fact of being born;" mid-13c., "act of giving birth, a bringing forth by the mother, childbirth," sometimes in Middle English also "conception;" also "that which is born, offspring, child;" from a Scandinavian source such as Old Norse *byrðr (replacing cognate Old English gebyrd "birth, descent, race; offspring; nature; fate"), from Proto-Germanic *gaburthis (source also of Old Frisian berd, Old Saxon giburd, Dutch geboorte, Old High German giburt, German geburt, Gothic gabaurþs), from PIE *bhrto past participle of root *bher- (1) "to carry; to bear children" (compare bear (v.)).
The Germanic suffix -th is for "process" (as in bath, death). The meaning "condition into which a person is born, lineage, descent" is attested from c. 1200 (it was also in the Old English word). In reference to non-living things, "any coming into existence" is from 1610s. Birth control is from 1914; birth certificate is from 1842." - stillbirth | Etymology, origin and meaning of stillbirth by etymonline
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BORN:
"born (adj.)
Old English boren, alternative past participle of beran (see bear (v.)). The -en of the Middle English past participles tended to drop the -e- in some verbs, especially after vowels, -r-, and -l- , hence also slain, etc., Middle English stoln. "In modern use the connexion with bear is no longer felt; the phrase to be born has become virtually an intr. verb" [OED].
It is attested from early 14c. as "possessing from birth the character or quality described" (born poet, born loser, etc.). It is from 1710 as "innate, inherited;" the colloquial expression in (one's) born days "in (one's) lifetime" is by 1742. The distinction of born from borne (q.v.) is 17c. " - born | Etymology, origin and meaning of born by etymonline
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BEAR (CHILD BEARING):
"bear (v.)
Old English beran "to carry, bring; bring forth, give birth to, produce; to endure without resistance; to support, hold up, sustain; to wear" (class IV strong verb; past tense bær, past participle boren), from Proto-Germanic *beranan (source also of Old Saxon beran, Old Frisian bera "bear, give birth," Middle Dutch beren "carry a child," Old High German beran, German gebären, Old Norse bera "carry, bring, bear, endure; give birth," Gothic bairan "to carry, bear, give birth to"), from PIE root *bher- (1) "carry a burden, bring," also "give birth" (though only English and German strongly retain this sense, and Russian has beremennaya "pregnant").
The Old English past tense bær became Middle English bare; the alternative bore began to appear c. 1400, but bare remained the literary form till after 1600. Past-participle distinction of borne for "carried" and born for "given birth" is from late 18c.
Many senses are from the notion of "move onward by pressure." To bear down "proceed forcefully toward" (especially in nautical use) is from 1716. The verb is attested from c. 1300 as "possess as an attribute or characteristic." The meaning "sustain without sinking" is from 1520s; to bear (something) in mind is from 1530s; the meaning "tend, be directed" (in a certain way) is from c. 1600. To bear up is from 1650s as "be firm, have fortitude."" - bear | Etymology, origin and meaning of bear by etymonline
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CAESARIAN (SECTION):
"caesarian (n.)
"delivery of a child by cutting through the abdomen of the mother," 1923, shortening of Caesarian section (1610s); caesar as "baby delivered by caesarian section is from 1530s. Section (n.) here has the literal Latin sense of "act or action of cutting," which is attested from 1550s in English but is rare outside of medicine.
Supposedly from Caius Julius Caesar, who was said to have been delivered surgically. Thus also legend traces his cognomen to Latin caesus, past participle of caedere "to cut" (see -cide). But if this is the etymology of the name, it was likely an ancestor who was so born (Caesar's mother lived to see his triumphs and such operations would have been fatal to the woman in ancient times). Rather, caesar here may come directly from caesus.
The operation was prescribed in Rome for cases of dead mothers; the first recorded instance of it being performed on a living woman is c. 1500, but as late as the early 19c., before antiseptics and blood transfusions, it had a 50% mortality rate." - caesarian | Etymology, origin and meaning of caesarian by etymonline
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PREEMIE:
"preemie (n.)
"baby born prematurely," 1927, premy, an American English shortening of premature with -y (2). Spelling with -ie attested from 1949." - preemie | Etymology, origin and meaning of preemie by etymonline
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PREMATURE:
"premature (adj.)
mid-15c., "ripe;" 1520s, "existing or done before the proper or usual time, arriving too early at maturity," from Latin praematurus "early ripe" (as fruit), "too early, untimely," from prae "before" (see pre-) + maturus "ripe, timely" (see mature (v.)). Related: Prematurely; prematurity; prematuration." - premature | Etymology, origin and meaning of premature by etymonline
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ZYGOTE:
"zygote (n.)
1880, coined 1878 by German cytologist Eduard Strasburger (1844-1912), the widespread attribution to William Bateson being apparently erroneous; from Greek zygotos "yoked," from zygon "yoke" (from PIE root *yeug- "to join")." - zygote | Etymology, origin and meaning of zygote by etymonline
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CELL:
"cell (n.)
early 12c., "small monastery, subordinate monastery" (from Medieval Latin in this sense), later "small room for a monk or a nun in a monastic establishment; a hermit's dwelling" (c. 1300), from Latin cella "small room, store room, hut," related to Latin celare "to hide, conceal" (from PIE root *kel- (1) "to cover, conceal, save").
From "monastic room" the sense was extended to "prison room" (1722). The word was used in 14c., figuratively, of brain "compartments" as the abode of some faculty; it was used in biology by 17c. of various cavities (wood structure, segments of fruit, bee combs), gradually focusing to the modern sense of "basic structure of all living organisms" (which OED dates to 1845).
Electric battery sense is from 1828, based on the "compartments" in very early types. The meaning "small group of people working within a larger organization" is from 1925. Cell-body is from 1851, cell-division from 1846, cell-membrane from 1837 (cellular membrane is by 1732), cell wall is attested from 1842." - cell | Etymology, origin and meaning of cell by etymonline
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FETUS:
"fetus (n.)
late 14c., "the young while in the womb or egg" (tending to mean vaguely the embryo in the later stage of development), from Latin fetus (often, incorrectly, foetus) "the bearing or hatching of young, a bringing forth, pregnancy, childbearing, offspring," from suffixed form of PIE root *dhe(i)- "to suck."
In Latin, fetus sometimes was transferred figuratively to the newborn creature itself, or used in a sense of "offspring, brood" (as in Horace's Germania quos horrida parturit Fetus), but this was not the usual meaning. It also was used of plants, in the sense of "fruit, produce, shoot," and figuratively as "growth, production." The spelling foetus is sometimes attempted as a learned Latinism, but it is unetymological (see oe)." - fetus | Etymology, origin and meaning of fetus by etymonline
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BABY:
"baby (n.)
late 14c., babi, "infant of either sex," diminutive of babe (q.v.) with -y (3).
The meaning "childish adult person" is from c. 1600. The sense of "youngest of a group" is by 1897. As a term of endearment for one's lover it is attested perhaps as early as 1839, certainly by 1901 (OED writes, "the degree of slanginess in the nineteenth-century examples is not easily determinable"); its popularity perhaps was boosted by baby vamp "a popular girl" (see vamp (n.2)), student slang from c. 1922.
The meaning "minute reflection of oneself seen in another's eyes" is from 1590s (compare pupil (n.2)). As an adjective by 1750. Baby food is from 1833. Baby blues for "blue eyes" recorded by 1892, perhaps for the reduplication as well as the fact that more infants have blue eyes than keep the color (the phrase also was used for "postpartum depression" 1950s-60s).
To empty the baby out with the bath (water) is attested by 1909 (in G.B. Shaw; compare German das Kind mit dem Bade ausschütten, attested from 17c.). A baby's breath was noted for sweet smell, which also was supposed to attract cats, hence baby's breath as the name of a type of flower, attested from 1897.
French bébé (19c.) is said to be from English, but there were similar words in the same sense in French dialects." - baby | Etymology, origin and meaning of baby by etymonline
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CHILD:
"child (n.)
Old English cild "fetus, infant, unborn or newly born person," from Proto-Germanic *kiltham (source also of Gothic kilþei "womb," inkilþo "pregnant;" Danish kuld "children of the same marriage;" Old Swedish kulder "litter;" Old English cildhama "womb," lit. "child-home"); no certain cognates outside Germanic. "App[arently] originally always used in relation to the mother as the 'fruit of the womb'" [Buck]. Also in late Old English, "a youth of gentle birth" (archaic, usually written childe). In 16c.-17c. especially "girl child."
The wider sense "young person before the onset of puberty" developed in late Old English. Phrase with child "pregnant" (late 12c.) retains the original sense. The sense extension from "infant" to "child" also is found in French enfant, Latin infans. Meaning "one's own child; offspring of parents" is from late 12c. (the Old English word was bearn; see bairn). Figurative use from late 14c. Most Indo-European languages use the same word for "a child" and "one's child," though there are exceptions (such as Latin liberi/pueri).
The difficulty with the plural began in Old English, where the nominative plural was at first cild, identical with the singular, then c.975 a plural form cildru (genitive cildra) arose, probably for clarity's sake, only to be re-pluraled late 12c. as children, which is thus a double plural. Middle English plural cildre survives in Lancashire dialect childer and in Childermas.
Child abuse is attested by 1963; child-molester from 1950. Child care is from 1915. Child's play, figurative of something easy, is in Chaucer (late 14c.):
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CAESARIAN (SECTION):
"caesarian (n.)
"delivery of a child by cutting through the abdomen of the mother," 1923, shortening of Caesarian section (1610s); caesar as "baby delivered by caesarian section is from 1530s. Section (n.) here has the literal Latin sense of "act or action of cutting," which is attested from 1550s in English but is rare outside of medicine.
Supposedly from Caius Julius Caesar, who was said to have been delivered surgically. Thus also legend traces his cognomen to Latin caesus, past participle of caedere "to cut" (see -cide). But if this is the etymology of the name, it was likely an ancestor who was so born (Caesar's mother lived to see his triumphs and such operations would have been fatal to the woman in ancient times). Rather, caesar here may come directly from caesus.
The operation was prescribed in Rome for cases of dead mothers; the first recorded instance of it being performed on a living woman is c. 1500, but as late as the early 19c., before antiseptics and blood transfusions, it had a 50% mortality rate." - caesarian | Etymology, origin and meaning of caesarian by etymonline
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PREEMIE:
"preemie (n.)
"baby born prematurely," 1927, premy, an American English shortening of premature with -y (2). Spelling with -ie attested from 1949." - preemie | Etymology, origin and meaning of preemie by etymonline
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PREMATURE:
"premature (adj.)
mid-15c., "ripe;" 1520s, "existing or done before the proper or usual time, arriving too early at maturity," from Latin praematurus "early ripe" (as fruit), "too early, untimely," from prae "before" (see pre-) + maturus "ripe, timely" (see mature (v.)). Related: Prematurely; prematurity; prematuration." - premature | Etymology, origin and meaning of premature by etymonline
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ZYGOTE:
"zygote (n.)
1880, coined 1878 by German cytologist Eduard Strasburger (1844-1912), the widespread attribution to William Bateson being apparently erroneous; from Greek zygotos "yoked," from zygon "yoke" (from PIE root *yeug- "to join")." - zygote | Etymology, origin and meaning of zygote by etymonline
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CELL:
"cell (n.)
early 12c., "small monastery, subordinate monastery" (from Medieval Latin in this sense), later "small room for a monk or a nun in a monastic establishment; a hermit's dwelling" (c. 1300), from Latin cella "small room, store room, hut," related to Latin celare "to hide, conceal" (from PIE root *kel- (1) "to cover, conceal, save").
From "monastic room" the sense was extended to "prison room" (1722). The word was used in 14c., figuratively, of brain "compartments" as the abode of some faculty; it was used in biology by 17c. of various cavities (wood structure, segments of fruit, bee combs), gradually focusing to the modern sense of "basic structure of all living organisms" (which OED dates to 1845).
Electric battery sense is from 1828, based on the "compartments" in very early types. The meaning "small group of people working within a larger organization" is from 1925. Cell-body is from 1851, cell-division from 1846, cell-membrane from 1837 (cellular membrane is by 1732), cell wall is attested from 1842." - cell | Etymology, origin and meaning of cell by etymonline
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FETUS:
"fetus (n.)
late 14c., "the young while in the womb or egg" (tending to mean vaguely the embryo in the later stage of development), from Latin fetus (often, incorrectly, foetus) "the bearing or hatching of young, a bringing forth, pregnancy, childbearing, offspring," from suffixed form of PIE root *dhe(i)- "to suck."
In Latin, fetus sometimes was transferred figuratively to the newborn creature itself, or used in a sense of "offspring, brood" (as in Horace's Germania quos horrida parturit Fetus), but this was not the usual meaning. It also was used of plants, in the sense of "fruit, produce, shoot," and figuratively as "growth, production." The spelling foetus is sometimes attempted as a learned Latinism, but it is unetymological (see oe)." - fetus | Etymology, origin and meaning of fetus by etymonline
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BABY:
"baby (n.)
late 14c., babi, "infant of either sex," diminutive of babe (q.v.) with -y (3).
The meaning "childish adult person" is from c. 1600. The sense of "youngest of a group" is by 1897. As a term of endearment for one's lover it is attested perhaps as early as 1839, certainly by 1901 (OED writes, "the degree of slanginess in the nineteenth-century examples is not easily determinable"); its popularity perhaps was boosted by baby vamp "a popular girl" (see vamp (n.2)), student slang from c. 1922.
The meaning "minute reflection of oneself seen in another's eyes" is from 1590s (compare pupil (n.2)). As an adjective by 1750. Baby food is from 1833. Baby blues for "blue eyes" recorded by 1892, perhaps for the reduplication as well as the fact that more infants have blue eyes than keep the color (the phrase also was used for "postpartum depression" 1950s-60s).
To empty the baby out with the bath (water) is attested by 1909 (in G.B. Shaw; compare German das Kind mit dem Bade ausschütten, attested from 17c.). A baby's breath was noted for sweet smell, which also was supposed to attract cats, hence baby's breath as the name of a type of flower, attested from 1897.
French bébé (19c.) is said to be from English, but there were similar words in the same sense in French dialects." - baby | Etymology, origin and meaning of baby by etymonline
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CHILD:
"child (n.)
Old English cild "fetus, infant, unborn or newly born person," from Proto-Germanic *kiltham (source also of Gothic kilþei "womb," inkilþo "pregnant;" Danish kuld "children of the same marriage;" Old Swedish kulder "litter;" Old English cildhama "womb," lit. "child-home"); no certain cognates outside Germanic. "App[arently] originally always used in relation to the mother as the 'fruit of the womb'" [Buck]. Also in late Old English, "a youth of gentle birth" (archaic, usually written childe). In 16c.-17c. especially "girl child."
The wider sense "young person before the onset of puberty" developed in late Old English. Phrase with child "pregnant" (late 12c.) retains the original sense. The sense extension from "infant" to "child" also is found in French enfant, Latin infans. Meaning "one's own child; offspring of parents" is from late 12c. (the Old English word was bearn; see bairn). Figurative use from late 14c. Most Indo-European languages use the same word for "a child" and "one's child," though there are exceptions (such as Latin liberi/pueri).
The difficulty with the plural began in Old English, where the nominative plural was at first cild, identical with the singular, then c.975 a plural form cildru (genitive cildra) arose, probably for clarity's sake, only to be re-pluraled late 12c. as children, which is thus a double plural. Middle English plural cildre survives in Lancashire dialect childer and in Childermas.
Child abuse is attested by 1963; child-molester from 1950. Child care is from 1915. Child's play, figurative of something easy, is in Chaucer (late 14c.):
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WOMB:
"womb (n.)
Old English wamb, womb "belly, bowels, heart, uterus," from Proto-Germanic *wambo (source also of Old Norse vomb, Old Frisian wambe, Middle Dutch wamme, Dutch wam, Old High German wamba, German Wamme "belly, paunch," Gothic wamba "belly, womb," Old English umbor "child"), of unknown origin." - womb | Etymology, origin and meaning of womb by etymonline
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VIABLE:
"viable (adj.)
1828, from French viable "capable of life" (1530s), from vie "life" (from Latin vita "life," from PIE root *gwei- "to live") + -able. Originally of newborn infants; generalized sense is first recorded 1848. Related: Viably." - viable | Etymology, origin and meaning of viable by etymonline
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NON-VIABLE (INVIABLE):
"non-viable (adj.)
applied to a fetus too young to maintain independent life, by 1821, from French non-viable (by 1813 in the Code Napoléon); see non- + viable.
It is an established fact, that under the fifth month no foetus can be born alive—from the fifth to the seventh it may come into the world alive, but cannot maintain existence. The French term these non viable. We may designate them non-rearable, or more properly immature—in distinction to those between the seventh and the ninth month, which may be reared, and are termed premature. [John Gordon Smith, M.D., "The Principles of Forensic Medicine," London, 1821] " - non-viable | Etymology, origin and meaning of non-viable by etymonline
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ANENCEPHALITIC (ANENCEPHALY)
"anencephalic (adj.)
"having no brain" (biology), 1821, with -ic + Latinized form of Greek anenkephalos, from an- "not, without" (see an- (1)) + enkephalos "brain," "the brain," literally "within the head," from en "in" (see en- (2)) + kephalē "head;" see cephalo-. Related: Anencephalous (1834); anencephalia; anencephaly." - anencephalic | Etymology, origin and meaning of anencephalic by etymonline
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(BIRTH) DEFECT:
"defect (n.)
early 15c., "want or lack of anything," especially lack of something essential to perfection or completeness, from Old French defect and directly from Latin defectus "failure, revolt, falling away," noun use of past participle of deficere "to fail, desert," from de "down, away" (see de-) + combining form of facere "to do, make" (from PIE root *dhe- "to set, put").
defect (v.)
1570s, "to hurt, damage;" 1580s, "fail become deficient" (senses now obsolete); 1590s, "to desert, revolt," from Latin defectus, past participle of deficere "to fail, desert," from de "down, away" (see de-) + combining form of facere "to do, make" (from PIE root *dhe- "to set, put"). Related: Defected; defecting.
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(PLACENTAL) ABRUPTION:
"abruption (n.)
c. 1600, "a sudden breaking off," from Latin abruptionem (nominative abruptio) "a breaking off," noun of action from past-participle stem of abrumpere "break off," from ab "off, away from" (see ab-) + rumpere "to break," from a nasalized form of the PIE root *runp- "to break" (see corrupt (adj.)).
" - abruption | Etymology, origin and meaning of abruption by etymonline
"Placental abruption (abruptio placentae) is an uncommon yet serious complication of pregnancy. The placenta develops in the uterus during pregnancy. It attaches to the wall of the uterus and supplies the baby with nutrients and oxygen.
Placental abruption occurs when the placenta partly or completely separates from the inner wall of the uterus before delivery. This can decrease or block the baby's supply of oxygen and nutrients and cause heavy bleeding in the mother.
Placental abruption often happens suddenly. Left untreated, it endangers both the mother and the baby." - Placental abruption - Symptoms and causes
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Other words:
Intrauterine Fetal Death/Demise
Intrapartum Complications
Perinatal Death/Demise
Neonatal (Death/Demise)
Placental Dysfunction
Congenital Malformations
Deformations
Chromosomal Abnormalities
Maternal Complications (Diseases, Habits)
Uterine Cancer
Ovarian Cancer
WOMB:
"womb (n.)
Old English wamb, womb "belly, bowels, heart, uterus," from Proto-Germanic *wambo (source also of Old Norse vomb, Old Frisian wambe, Middle Dutch wamme, Dutch wam, Old High German wamba, German Wamme "belly, paunch," Gothic wamba "belly, womb," Old English umbor "child"), of unknown origin." - womb | Etymology, origin and meaning of womb by etymonline
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VIABLE:
"viable (adj.)
1828, from French viable "capable of life" (1530s), from vie "life" (from Latin vita "life," from PIE root *gwei- "to live") + -able. Originally of newborn infants; generalized sense is first recorded 1848. Related: Viably." - viable | Etymology, origin and meaning of viable by etymonline
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NON-VIABLE (INVIABLE):
"non-viable (adj.)
applied to a fetus too young to maintain independent life, by 1821, from French non-viable (by 1813 in the Code Napoléon); see non- + viable.
It is an established fact, that under the fifth month no foetus can be born alive—from the fifth to the seventh it may come into the world alive, but cannot maintain existence. The French term these non viable. We may designate them non-rearable, or more properly immature—in distinction to those between the seventh and the ninth month, which may be reared, and are termed premature. [John Gordon Smith, M.D., "The Principles of Forensic Medicine," London, 1821] " - non-viable | Etymology, origin and meaning of non-viable by etymonline
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ANENCEPHALITIC (ANENCEPHALY)
"anencephalic (adj.)
"having no brain" (biology), 1821, with -ic + Latinized form of Greek anenkephalos, from an- "not, without" (see an- (1)) + enkephalos "brain," "the brain," literally "within the head," from en "in" (see en- (2)) + kephalē "head;" see cephalo-. Related: Anencephalous (1834); anencephalia; anencephaly." - anencephalic | Etymology, origin and meaning of anencephalic by etymonline
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(BIRTH) DEFECT:
"defect (n.)
early 15c., "want or lack of anything," especially lack of something essential to perfection or completeness, from Old French defect and directly from Latin defectus "failure, revolt, falling away," noun use of past participle of deficere "to fail, desert," from de "down, away" (see de-) + combining form of facere "to do, make" (from PIE root *dhe- "to set, put").
defect (v.)
1570s, "to hurt, damage;" 1580s, "fail become deficient" (senses now obsolete); 1590s, "to desert, revolt," from Latin defectus, past participle of deficere "to fail, desert," from de "down, away" (see de-) + combining form of facere "to do, make" (from PIE root *dhe- "to set, put"). Related: Defected; defecting.
" - defect | Etymology, origin and meaning of defect by etymonline
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(PLACENTAL) ABRUPTION:
"abruption (n.)
c. 1600, "a sudden breaking off," from Latin abruptionem (nominative abruptio) "a breaking off," noun of action from past-participle stem of abrumpere "break off," from ab "off, away from" (see ab-) + rumpere "to break," from a nasalized form of the PIE root *runp- "to break" (see corrupt (adj.)).
" - abruption | Etymology, origin and meaning of abruption by etymonline
"Placental abruption (abruptio placentae) is an uncommon yet serious complication of pregnancy. The placenta develops in the uterus during pregnancy. It attaches to the wall of the uterus and supplies the baby with nutrients and oxygen.
Placental abruption occurs when the placenta partly or completely separates from the inner wall of the uterus before delivery. This can decrease or block the baby's supply of oxygen and nutrients and cause heavy bleeding in the mother.
Placental abruption often happens suddenly. Left untreated, it endangers both the mother and the baby." - Placental abruption - Symptoms and causes
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Other words:
Intrauterine Fetal Death/Demise
Intrapartum Complications
Perinatal Death/Demise
Neonatal (Death/Demise)
Placental Dysfunction
Congenital Malformations
Deformations
Chromosomal Abnormalities
Maternal Complications (Diseases, Habits)
Uterine Cancer
Ovarian Cancer
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By the above definitions and uses:
[1] All "miscarriages" (accidental or intentful) are by definition "abortions" or "terminations of pregnancies".
[2] All "abortions" are then by definition not "murder", though some are.
[3] Thus not all "miscarriages" or "abortions" are a crime punishable by God's Law or man's law. though some are. We live in an evil (fallen, sinful) world, and somethings exist due to the fall of mankind since Adam/Eve, and will exist until the return of Jesus Christ in glory.
[4] All that which is "kill(ed)" is not necessarily "murder", though some is.
[5] Thus all "murder" is "kill(ing)", but not all "killing" is "murder".
[6] Capital Punishment (aka Executive Justice) is "killing" (putting to death), but not (necessarily) "murder", though there may be cases in which 'capital punishment' is used as an excuse, or cover, to "murder", in which case it is actually "murder" and not actually "Capital Punishment". God, in scripture, issued orders of Capital Punishment to many nations, and individuals, in which women who were pregnant were also terminated (put to death), along with their pregnancy. In many cases, the 'Holy Roman Empire" issued "Capital Punishment" to cover "murders" (St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre, Hugenots, Waldenses, etc).
[7] The removal of an ectopic pregnancy is not "murder", though it will "kill" the forming "life", at it's expense to preserve, save, heal, the "life" of the "mother" which is in danger, life-threatening. It is still an "abortion" or "termination of pregnancy" (a "miscarriage") by definition.
[8] Many (not all, ie. if full term, but unable to deliver vagnially) C-Sections (Caesarian Sections) are techinically an "abortion", or "termination of pregnancy" by definition, but do not (normally, but in certain instances (accidental, or intentful) can) "kill" the "life" (though in some instances death of the "life" and the "mother" can result from complications, bleeding, sepsis, clotting, accidental, or intenful (in which case it might be "murder", but not necessarily (again, see ectopic, etc))).
[9] Preemies, ususally delivered through C-Section (but not always, some vaginally), in general, have very short and complicated lives, and severe health and growth development issues (this is not to say that they should not have the opportunity anyway), but most are not aware of the enormous costs that follows for the "mother" and "child".
There are other matters which complicate things, including briths.
etc.
There are cases, in which a girl/female child (post-menses) becomes pregnant through rape or incest, and the life of the little girl/female is endangered by the pregnancy. What to do in such cases? This is a good question. Should the State (which has no children, by definition) be involved in making a decision? Should the physician attending make the decision without the consent of the girl/female and/or her parents/guardians? Should the parents make the decision, since the girl/female is not of legal age to act without the consent of parents/guardians? What are the options available? Termination at earliest stage possible (pill, which will come with complications, bleeding, etc)? Wait until large enough for C-Section, as the girl/female cannot deliver (under normal circumstances) vaginally, and more than likely the removed 'child' die being non-viable in such condition, even if lasts for several days in NICU (Natal Intensive Care Unit) for hundreds of thousands of dollars (which bill is normally footed to the parents/guardians, rather than to the rapist or incestuous persons)? No matter the case, serious mental, psychological, physiological, biological, economical stresses will be placed upon all involved.
[1] All "miscarriages" (accidental or intentful) are by definition "abortions" or "terminations of pregnancies".
[2] All "abortions" are then by definition not "murder", though some are.
[3] Thus not all "miscarriages" or "abortions" are a crime punishable by God's Law or man's law. though some are. We live in an evil (fallen, sinful) world, and somethings exist due to the fall of mankind since Adam/Eve, and will exist until the return of Jesus Christ in glory.
[4] All that which is "kill(ed)" is not necessarily "murder", though some is.
[5] Thus all "murder" is "kill(ing)", but not all "killing" is "murder".
[6] Capital Punishment (aka Executive Justice) is "killing" (putting to death), but not (necessarily) "murder", though there may be cases in which 'capital punishment' is used as an excuse, or cover, to "murder", in which case it is actually "murder" and not actually "Capital Punishment". God, in scripture, issued orders of Capital Punishment to many nations, and individuals, in which women who were pregnant were also terminated (put to death), along with their pregnancy. In many cases, the 'Holy Roman Empire" issued "Capital Punishment" to cover "murders" (St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre, Hugenots, Waldenses, etc).
[7] The removal of an ectopic pregnancy is not "murder", though it will "kill" the forming "life", at it's expense to preserve, save, heal, the "life" of the "mother" which is in danger, life-threatening. It is still an "abortion" or "termination of pregnancy" (a "miscarriage") by definition.
[8] Many (not all, ie. if full term, but unable to deliver vagnially) C-Sections (Caesarian Sections) are techinically an "abortion", or "termination of pregnancy" by definition, but do not (normally, but in certain instances (accidental, or intentful) can) "kill" the "life" (though in some instances death of the "life" and the "mother" can result from complications, bleeding, sepsis, clotting, accidental, or intenful (in which case it might be "murder", but not necessarily (again, see ectopic, etc))).
[9] Preemies, ususally delivered through C-Section (but not always, some vaginally), in general, have very short and complicated lives, and severe health and growth development issues (this is not to say that they should not have the opportunity anyway), but most are not aware of the enormous costs that follows for the "mother" and "child".
There are other matters which complicate things, including briths.
[A.] Rape (Adult)
[B.] Rape (Child, post-menses)
[C.] Incest (Adult)
[D.] Incest (Child, post-menses)
[E.] Cancer (Uterine)
[F.} Cancer (Ovarian)
[G.] Chromosomal
[H.] Placental
[I.] Diseases (like AIDS, HIV, Diabetes)
[J] State of the Mother (Unconscious, Brain Dead, etc)
etc.
There are cases, in which a girl/female child (post-menses) becomes pregnant through rape or incest, and the life of the little girl/female is endangered by the pregnancy. What to do in such cases? This is a good question. Should the State (which has no children, by definition) be involved in making a decision? Should the physician attending make the decision without the consent of the girl/female and/or her parents/guardians? Should the parents make the decision, since the girl/female is not of legal age to act without the consent of parents/guardians? What are the options available? Termination at earliest stage possible (pill, which will come with complications, bleeding, etc)? Wait until large enough for C-Section, as the girl/female cannot deliver (under normal circumstances) vaginally, and more than likely the removed 'child' die being non-viable in such condition, even if lasts for several days in NICU (Natal Intensive Care Unit) for hundreds of thousands of dollars (which bill is normally footed to the parents/guardians, rather than to the rapist or incestuous persons)? No matter the case, serious mental, psychological, physiological, biological, economical stresses will be placed upon all involved.
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Exactly. Which means that these people are neither Catholic nor Christian (e.g. Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi). Genuine Catholics are totally opposed to abortion (infanticide and genocide).
Once we understand that abortion is first degree murder, then the next question is "Why have abortionists not been executed by the hundreds?" It would take probably a dozen such executions to shut down the abortion industry and all the radical Leftist clamoring for abortion.
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Really?
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"...Vatican Sends Pro-Abortion Law Firm to Shut Down Pro-Life Roman Catholic Website
by News Division · March 12, 2018
A very small Romanist website called InfoVaticana in Madrid, Spain, recently received a notice from a rabidly pro-homosexual law firm, Baker and McKenzie, to transfer their domain directly to the Vatican or else. ...
Baker and McKenzie, the law firm retained by the Vatican to threaten the critical Romanist website, is also the counsel for Planned Parenthood. ..." - Vatican Sends Pro-Abortion Law Firm to Shut Down Pro-Life Roman Catholic Website
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"... VATICAN CITY — A missionary council for indigenous peoples run by the Brazilian bishops' conference has received almost $2 million from the pro-abortion Ford Foundation since 2006, a Brazilian journalist has revealed. ..." - https://catholicsay.com/pro-abortion-ford-foundation-major-funder-of-key-synod-organizations/
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Traveling around the world as I have—Poland, Portugal, Philippines or even to Philadelphia—I can see that the Catholic hierarchy has often over-invested in its concerns with the pelvic zone, and particularly abortion. Despite a massive investment by bishops’ conferences the world over, Catholic women still chose abortion. Here in the U.S., they have abortions at the same rate as those of other faiths and no faith. ...
The church hierarchy has since rejected the notion that a fetus is a fully formed person. In its most recent statement, the 1974 Declaration on Procured Abortion, the Vatican acknowledged that it does not know when the fetus becomes a person: “There is not a unanimous tradition on this point and authors are as yet in disagreement.” Neither St. Augustine nor St. Thomas Aquinas, two of the most important Catholic theologians, considered the fetus in the early stages of pregnancy to be a person.
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Infallibility doesn’t mean that whatever the pope says cannot be questioned. Since the doctrine of papal infallibility was declared in 1870, only three teachings have been declared infallible: the Immaculate Conception of Mary; the Assumption of Mary; and the declaration on infallibility itself—not the teaching on abortion.
The church’s teaching authority is not solely based on the hierarchy; it includes the work of theologians and the lived experience of Catholic people. Leading theologians diverge from the Vatican’s teaching on abortion. As long ago as 1973, noted Catholic theologian Charles Curran wrote that “there is a sizable and growing number of Catholic theologians who do disagree with some aspects of the officially proposed Catholic teaching that direct abortion from the time of conception is always wrong.” ..." - The Catholic Case for Abortion Rights
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“... Research and publications from the Alan Guttmacher Institute in America illustrate some contradictions in the Catholic stance against abortion:
Catholic women in the United States are as likely as women in the general population to have an abortion, and 29% more likely than Protestant women.
Catholic countries, even where abortion is illegal, have high levels of abortions: in Brazil, the estimated number of abortions ranges from 1 million to 2 million per year and in Peru, 5% of women of childbearing age have abortions each year, compared to 3% in the United States.
64% of US Catholics disapprove of the statement that abortion is morally wrong in every case (Survey of 493 Catholics, designed by Lake Research and Tarrance Group, for US News & World Report, Sept. 1995, margin of error ± 4.5%.)
72% of Catholics in Australia say decisions about abortion should be left to individual women and their doctors. (Survey for Family Planning Australia and Children by Choice, Melbourne, AGB McNair, Aug. 1996.) ..." - BBC - Religions - Christianity: Abortion
Catholic women in the United States are as likely as women in the general population to have an abortion, and 29% more likely than Protestant women.
Catholic countries, even where abortion is illegal, have high levels of abortions: in Brazil, the estimated number of abortions ranges from 1 million to 2 million per year and in Peru, 5% of women of childbearing age have abortions each year, compared to 3% in the United States.
64% of US Catholics disapprove of the statement that abortion is morally wrong in every case (Survey of 493 Catholics, designed by Lake Research and Tarrance Group, for US News & World Report, Sept. 1995, margin of error ± 4.5%.)
72% of Catholics in Australia say decisions about abortion should be left to individual women and their doctors. (Survey for Family Planning Australia and Children by Choice, Melbourne, AGB McNair, Aug. 1996.) ..." - BBC - Religions - Christianity: Abortion
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"... Abortion Law Liberalized in Catholic Monaco
Last month [article dated June 5, 2009], after five years of advocacy, Monaco approved a new law, which legalizes medically necessary abortions. Monaco was one of the last three states in Europe where abortion was illegal. The other two countries are Ireland and Malta.
The law was passed unanimously by the National Council, Monaco’s parliament, in a 26-0 vote. This is significant because 90 percent of Monaco’s population is formally Catholic. ...
... The new law permits abortion for "hard cases" including rape, fetal deformity, fetal illness or danger to the life of the mother. ..." - Abortion Law Liberalized in Catholic Monaco
Last month [article dated June 5, 2009], after five years of advocacy, Monaco approved a new law, which legalizes medically necessary abortions. Monaco was one of the last three states in Europe where abortion was illegal. The other two countries are Ireland and Malta.
The law was passed unanimously by the National Council, Monaco’s parliament, in a 26-0 vote. This is significant because 90 percent of Monaco’s population is formally Catholic. ...
... The new law permits abortion for "hard cases" including rape, fetal deformity, fetal illness or danger to the life of the mother. ..." - Abortion Law Liberalized in Catholic Monaco
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Dropship
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If a woman doesn't want a baby she could always put it up for adoption instead of aborting it.
My brother-in-laws mother did that some 60 years ago and he grew up in orphanages and with foster parents without ever knowing who his mother was.
He grew up to be a decent popular chap and we once asked him if he ever felt like tracking down his birth mother but he said "No never; she didn't want me so i don't want her".
My brother-in-laws mother did that some 60 years ago and he grew up in orphanages and with foster parents without ever knowing who his mother was.
He grew up to be a decent popular chap and we once asked him if he ever felt like tracking down his birth mother but he said "No never; she didn't want me so i don't want her".
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St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre? Even Catholic "Lord Acton" writes on it.
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Voltaire (the consumate Jesuit, playing the infidel for Rome, said):
"... If the persecuting of those who differ from us in opinion is a holy action, it must be confessed that he who had murdered the greatest number of heretics would be the most glorious saint in Heaven. If so, what a pitiful figure would be a man who had only stripped his brethren of all they had, and thrown them to rot in a dungeon, make, in comparison with the zealot who had butchered his hundreds on the famous day of St. Bartholomew? This may be proved as follows:
The successor of St. Peter and his consistory cannot err; they approved, they celebrated, they consecrated the action of St. Bartholomew; consequently that action was holy and meritorious; and, by a like deduction, he who of two murderers, equal in piety, had ripped up the bellies of eighty Huguenot women big with child would be entitled to double the portion of glory of another who had butchered but twelve; ..." - Voltaire: 60+ Works in One Volume - Philosophical Writings, Novels, Historical Works, Poetry, Plays & Letters; Candide, A Philosophical Dictionary, A Treatise on Toleration, Plato's Dream, The Princes of Babylon, Zadig, The Huron, Socrates, The Sage and the Atheist, Dialogues, Oedipus, Caesar ... Published by Musaicum Books; 2017 OK Publishing; ISBN 978-80-7583-598-7 - VOLTAIRE: 60+ Works in One Volume - Philosophical Writings, Novels, Historical Works, Poetry, Plays & Letters
See also Voltaire's "Henriade, Canto 2" - The Henriade,: An Epic Poem, in Ten Cantos. Translated from the French of Voltaire, Into English - The Henriade,: An Epic Poem, in Ten Cantos. Translated from the French of Voltaire, Into English ... : Voltaire : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
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Lord Acton (A Roman Catholic, "... at Cambridge he regularly attended Mass, and he received the last sacraments, at Tegernsee, on his death-bed. ..." - CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Lord Acton ) wrote: - CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Lord Acton
"... [page 115 (PDF 163)] The opinion that the Massacre of St. Bartholomew was a sudden and unpremeditated act cannot be maintained. . . .
“[page 116 (PDF 164)] By the month of February, 1572, the plan had assumed a practical shape. . . .
“[page 117 (PDF 165)] The court had determined to enforce unity of faith in France. An edict of toleration was issued for the purpose of lulling the Huguenots; but it was well known that it was only a pretense. Strict injunctions were sent into the provinces that it should not be obeyed; and Catherine said openly to the English envoy, ‘My son will have exercise but of one religion in his realm.’ On the twenty-sixth [of February] the king explained his plan to Mondoucet, his agent at Brussels: ‘Since it has pleased God to bring matters to the point they have now reached, I mean to use the opportunity to secure a perpetual repose in my kingdom, and to do something for the good of all Christendom. It is probable that the conflagration will spread to every town in France, and that they will follow the example of Paris, and lay hands on all the Protestants. . . . [page 117] I have written to the governors to assemble forces in order to cut to pieces those who may resist.’ The great object was to accomplish the extirpation of Protestantism in such a way as might leave intact the friendship with Protestant states. . . .
“[page 133 (PDF 181)] Salviati had written on the afternoon of the twenty-fourth [of August]. . . . [page 133 (PDF 181)] It was a fair sight to see the Catholics in the streets wearing white crosses, and cutting down heretics; and it was thought that, as fast as the news spread, the same thing would be done in all the towns of France. This letter was read before the assembled cardinals at the Venetian palace, and they thereupon attended the pope to a Te Deum in the nearest church. [page 134 (PDF 182)] The guns of St. Angelo were fired in the evening, and the city was illuminated for three nights. To disregard the pope’s will in this respect would have savored of heresy. Gregory XIII exclaimed that the massacre was more agreeable to him than fifty victories of Lepanto. For some weeks the news from the French provinces sustained the rapture and excitement of the court. It was hoped that other countries would follow the example of France; the emperor was informed that something of the same kind was expected of him. On the eighth of September the pope went in procession to the French church of St. Lewis, where three and thirty cardinals attended at a mass of thanksgiving. On the eleventh he proclaimed a jubilee. In the bull he said that forasmuch as God had armed the king of France to inflict vengeance on the heretics of the rebellion which had devastated his kingdom, Catholics should pray that he might have grace to pursue his auspicious enterprise to the end, and so complete what he had begun so well. . . ." - Lord Acton, The History of Freedom and Other Essays by John Emerich Edward Dalberg-Acton, First Baron Acton; D.C.L., LL.D., Etc. Etc. Regius Professor of Modern History in the University of Cambridge; Edited with an Introduction by John Neville Figgis, Litt.D.; sometime Lecturer in St. Catherine's College, Cambridge; and Reginald Vere Laurence, M.A.; Fellow and Lecturer of Trinity College, Cambridge; Macmillan and Co., Limited; St. Martin's Street, London, 1919. - The History Of Freedom And Other Essays The History Of Freedom And Other Essays - The History Of Freedom And Other Essays : Acton, John Emerich Edward Dalberg Acton, Baron, 1834-1902 : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
The official position of the Roman Catholic church is this:
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“...C. XLVII. Non sunt homicidae qui adversus excommunicatos zelo matris ecclesiae armantur ..."
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“...They are not to be accounted murderers who, zealous for the mother church, have killed excommunicated persons. ...” [“The Decretum of Gratian Part 2 Case 23 Question 5 chapter 47-48”; Decreti Secunda Pars Causa XXIII. Quest. V. c. 47-49; [47,48 specifically; section 49 given in 'defense' of these actions/reasons]] –
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/lweb/digital/collections/cul/texts/ldpd_6029936_001/pages/ldpd_6029936_001_00000531.html?toggle=image&menu=maximize&top=&left= AND http://www.columbia.edu/cu/lweb/digital/collections/cul/texts/ldpd_6029936_001/pages/ldpd_6029936_001_00000532.html?toggle=image&menu=maximize&top=&left=
How many 'heretics' were pregnant that were burnt alive, stabbed through, thrown over cliffs, fed to dogs, drowned, etc.
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Still modern day Roman Catholic theology and practice, according to Canon Law. The same laws under Frederick II at Padua are still valid.
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"... Nevertheless when confronted by heresy she does not content herself with persuasion; arguments of an intellectual and moral order appear to her insufficient and she has recourse to force, to corporal punishment, to torture. She creates [p. 182 → p. 183] tribunals like those of the Inquisition, she calls the laws of State to her aid, if necessary she encourages a crusade, or a religious war and all her “horror of blood” practically culminates into urging the secular power to shed it, which proceeding is almost more odious – for it is less frank – than shedding it herself. Especially did she act thus in the sixteenth century with regard to Protestants. Not content to reform morally, to preach by example, to convert people by eloquent and holy missionaries, she lit in Italy, in the Low Countries, and above all in Spain the funeral piles of the Inquisition. In France under Francis I. And Henry II., in England under Mary Tudor, she tortured the heretics, whilst both in France and Germany during the second half of the sixteenth and the first half of the seventeenth century is she did not actually begin, at anyrate she encouraged and actively sided the religious wars. No one will deny that we have here a great scandal to our contemporaries excepting to a certain class still having few adherents which theoretically – but theory often gives way before facts – affects a certain taste for violence and bloodshed." [The Renaissance and Protestantism; Lectures given at the Catholic Institute of Paris January to March 1904; By Alfred Baudrillart; Rector of the Catholic Institute of Paris; With a prefatory letter from H. E. Cardinal Perraud of the French Academy; Authorised Translation By Mrs. Philip Gibbs; Chapter VII [7]; On the use of force by the Catholic Church against Protestants – The Inquisition in Italy and in Spain – Religious wars – Protestant intolerance.] – http://ia600204.us.archive.org/3/items/catholicchurchre00bauduoft/catholicchurchre00bauduoft.pdf [The International Catholic Library – Edited by Rev. J. Wilhelm, D.D., Ph.D. Joint Author of the Manual of Catholic Theology. IV [4] . The Catholic Church. The Renaissance. Protestantism. By Alfred Baudrillart, Rector of the Catholic Institute of Paris. Translated by Mrs Philip Gibbs. Price 7s. 6d. London; Kegan Paul, Trench, Trubner & Co. Ltd. Dryden House, Gerrard Street, W. 1907 Nihil Obstat J. Wilhelm, S.T.D. Censor deputatus Imprimi potest [Maltese Cross] Gulielmus Episcopus Arindelensis Vicarius Generalis Westmonasterii die 11 Martii 1907 http://www.archive.org/details/catholicchurchre00bauduoft ]
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"... That the Church of Rome has shed more innocent blood than any other institution that has ever existed among mankind, will be questioned by no Protestant who has a competent knowledge of history. The memorials, indeed, of many of her persecutions are now so scanty, that it is impossible to form a complete conception of the multitude of her victims, and it is quite certain that no powers of imagination can adequately realise their sufferings. Llorente, who had free access to the archives of the Spanish Inquisition, assures us that by that tribunal alone more than 31,000 persons were burnt, and more than 290,000 condemned to punishments less severe than death. [1.] ..." [History of the Rise and Influence of the spirit of Rationalism in Europe Vol . II [2]; By W.E.H. Lecky, M.A. Revised Edition. In Two Volumes. New York and London; D. Appleton and Company 1919. pp 40; [1.] Llorente, Hist. De l'Inquisition, tom. iv. [4] pp 271,272. "...Llorente having been himself at one time secretary in the Inquisition, and having during the occupation by the French had access to all the secret papers of the tribunal, will always be the highest authority. ..."] - http://files.libertyfund.org/files/1667/Lecky_1341.02.pdf
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See Ad Extirpanda (Exstirpanda)
""Ad Extirpanda …
... A Proclamation of the Laws and Regulations to be Followed by Magistrates and Secular Officials against Heretics and their Accomplices and Protectors …
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The head of state shall proceed against the accused according to the laws of the Emperor Frederick when he governed Padua.
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[Ad Extirpanda; translated into English from the Latin; Pope Innocent IV; for further notation and Latin text, Scribd Online Catalog resources "Ad Extirpanda Pope Innocent IV 1252"] - Ad Extirpanda - Pope Innocent IV (1252) | PDF | Inquisition | Heresy
Frederick II burned people at the stake and killed "heretics".
Illuminator
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Seventh Day Adventists pretend to be experts on Catholicism. They are not. The are experts on anti-Catholic drivel.
www.narrowwayadventists.com
This is not a Catholic publication, it is a SDA publication. This certificate is awarded to Adventcontagion:
How & Why the Seventh Day Adventist Church Got Into the ABORTION BUSINESS
In summary
And so we find that early Adventism published positions in harmony with the Physicians’ Crusade Against Abortion, though it was not active
in that movement. The church produced its first set of abortion guidelines in 1970, when American attitudes toward abortion had changed and some of the church’s hospitals were experiencing growing pressure from their surrounding communities to provide abortion services.
Less than a year after the first set of abortion guidelines were developed, the church revised and expanded them. The resulting liberalized guidelines have allowed Adventist hospitals a great deal of freedom in their abortion practices, a freedom that has resulted in a large number of abortions being performed. Although the church has been hesitant to let it be known, at the present it is clearly not, in either policy or practice, limiting its medical institutions to therapeutic abortions.
How & Why Seventh Day Adventists Got Into the ABORTION Business
Excellent article explaining HOW & WHY the Seventh Day Adventist Church Got Into the Abortion Business
www.narrowwayadventists.com
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Illuminator
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Once again, a thread is contaminated with misleading OFF-TOPIC SDA HATE PROPAGANDA and should be closed for that reason. Once again...
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Adventageous
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Not actually, for you do not seem to know too much, but just look for things that seem to make a case, when they really do not, and present no documented facts to substantiate their "web blog" claims.
They are not Seventh-day Adventist, and neither is that website, from their own written statement, "I say "at heart" because we are no longer members of the organized Church."
Ex-SDA propaganda site, posted by a bigoted ignorant (without knowledge) member of Catholicism (no surprise there).
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Life begins at CONCEEPTION..
I already gave you Scriptural PROOF for this (Jer. 1:5).
Jer. 1:5
“BEFORE I formed you in the womb I knew[a] you, BEFORE you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.”
A fertilized egg is NIOT yet "formed" - and yet God recognizes them as a person.
I ALSO showed you that, per Jer. 1:5 - you incorrectly used James 2:26 to make your point.
No, instead of steering the conversation elsewhere - answer the question I asked of YOU in my last post:
Show me where the Scriptures say that “a fetus ONLY becomes a LIVING BEING when God Breathes into it’s nostrils the BREATH OF LIFE”
Chapter and Verse, please . . .
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I've already destroyed this argument TWICE.
I've also asked you to provide Scriptural evidence for your claim.
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Fetuses are living things and therefore in God's protective hand, so what right does anybody have to kill them?..
"God.. in whose hand is the soul of every living thing" (Job 12:10 KJV)
"God.. in whose hand is the soul of every living thing" (Job 12:10 KJV)
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