I don't know why you guys are debating about works attributed to the law and faith accompanied by deeds. The O/T works of the law and the N/T faith accompanied by action clearly differ.
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ONLY if we wait on him and receive him through his baptism and in-filling as Jesus commanded and as is demonstrated in Acts.The Barrd said:
That would be soteriology 101 and explained many times in the New Testament. You only have to look as far as Rom 10:9-11 to see it.H. Richard said:
Which says that, according to you, only Pentecostals can possibly be Christians.StanJ said:
I'm sorry, but I disagree.
Well then it's good you disagree because that's not what I said or even implied. Please read Acts 19:1-7 and see what is being taught there. Salvation is the initial process and the baptism of the Holy Spirit Holy Spirit is the next process. I hate to break it to you, but it's not just Pentecostals that have been baptized in the Holy Spirit.The Barrd said:
Stan, I have never believed that only Pentecostals are baptized in the Holy Spirit. In fact, I think Pentecostals are a little confused about what being baptize in the Holy Spirit actually means.StanJ said:
It is my contention that every single person who comes to Christ receives His Spirit...we are all baptized in the Holy Spirit. No exceptions.
And yet the scriptures show otherwise. What I can't figure out is why you confuse the Holy Spirit with the spirit of Christ, and why you can't see what is plainly written in the scripture about being baptized in the Holy Spirit? Have you actually read Acts 19:1-7? Did Jesus not differentiate between himself and the Holy Spirit?The Barrd said:
The Ephesians in Acts 19 had been baptized by John the Baptist, for the remission of sin. John was preaching about the One Who would come after him, Who would baptize with the Holy Spirit and with fire.
When they were told about this, the Ephesians were baptized in the Name of Jesus Christ And that is when they received the Holy Spirit.
When they were told about this, the Ephesians were baptized in the Name of Jesus Christ And that is when they received the Holy Spirit.
It doesn't matter who they were baptized by and as a matter fact Jesus never baptized anybody, but v1 says they were disciples of Jesus and v2 says they believed. Paul only questioned if they had received the baptism of the Holy Spirit and not whether or not they were really saved.The Barrd said:
The point is that when they said they didn't know that there was a holy spirit to be saved he laid hands on them and they receive the Holy Spirit and spoke in tongues AND prophesied, just as the 11 did in Acts 2:4, unless you don't think they were saved either? v5 shows they were baptized in water and v6 shows that they were baptized in the Holy Spirit spoke in tongues when Paul laid his hands on them. You will note also if you care to that in Acts 10 Peter was commanded to speak to Cornelius and his household, who were already believers, so he did, and while doing so they received the baptism of the Holy Spirit and afterwards received water baptism. In both cases the baptism of the Holy Spirit follows salvation and is not part of the initial confession of salvation. You will also note here than in v46, Luke notes that they were baptized in the Holy Spirit which was evident because they spoke in tongues. Clearly the baptism of the Holy Spirit, with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues, follows salvation.
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