Acts 2:38 has been abandoned by Christianity
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Jim B
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First, let's discuss this OT quote: "When they go into the tabernacle of the congregation, they shall wash with water, that they die not; or when they come near to the altar to minister, to burn offering made by fire unto the LORD". This is a command of the OT law commanding Jews to wash before they enter the tabernacle. It has nothing to do with NT baptism. P.S. read the second part of the quote. There is the requirement in the same verse to sacrifice animals. Do you also kill sheep in your church? Your eisegesis is pathetic!
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." This is clearly discussing natural and spiritual birth, not baptism.
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Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Peter's response (with all the apostles with him)...
Acts 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
[38] Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Why are these two giving different instructions? Matthew describes "baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost" -- the trinity -- but Peter says "be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ". So, which one is Scriptural (according to your faulty reasoning)? Baptism in the Trinity or Jesus alone? (Scripture, correctly interpreted, cannot contradict itself!)
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Acts 19:2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
[3] And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
So they believed but didn't receive the Holy Spirit. They were baptized with water -- John's baptism -- which didn't give them the Holy Spirit, which contradicts you favorite verse: Acts 2:38
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When you understand what "baptism" actually means then there is room for discussion. You just cut-and-paste random verses that contain the noun "baptism" and the verb "baptize" yet you have no idea what they mean in context. Your eisegesis is tragic.
And the fact that "user" agrees with your absurd claims makes it doubly tragic. Neither of you have any true understanding of Scripture!!! My advice (which I'm certain you'll ignore) is to buy a modern translation and ask God to give you the beginnings of understanding which you both clearly lack.
You are wallowing in deception because you clearly misinterpret what the Bible says. You take verses out of context -- verses are not part of Scripture -- that are written in a long-dead language, and then put your own irrational "spin" on what they mean. You eschew modern scholarship, instead relying on your own "understanding", which is clearly faulty!
My prayer is that God will open your minds to the truth, because as of now, you have no true understanding.
Jim B
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You need a new translation, since the one you're using isn't communicating God's truth to your confused mind.
I have shocking news for you: the King James Version is just that -- a version -- and one that is leading you into all kinds of misunderstandings.
Jim B
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You obviously have no understanding of being baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. This is not water baptism, which is a "statement" that you're burying the old, sinful man. Romans 6:4, "Therefore we have been buried with him through baptism into death, in order that just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too may live a new life."
Baptism does not and cannot remove sin! Only by accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, believing in His name, can one receive eternal life.
Yawn...
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Seeing red?
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
LOL
Jim, do you realize that there are thousands of comedians out of work?
Stick to your day job.
Instant
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That is not true to be precise, because Jesus said to be baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost. If you are claiming it must be done in the name of Jesus, you are making Jesus out a liar. In addition to that, the thief on the cross was not baptized, and there were believers in Acts that received the Holy Ghost baptism and spoke in tongues before they were baptized, and that will not happen to an unsaved person. The Holy Spirit came upon them when they believed.
44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word
What *I* love is taking Scripture and proving you wrong for the world to see...
You keep evading the subject of our debate....nobody is saying that Baptisms did not take place....nobody Is denying that the listeners in Peters crowds got the Holy Spirit sometimes after they got baptized...
The issue is that you claimed that nobody got that Spirit unless they were baptized first.....Scripture has proven you wrong....Jesus Breathed That Spirit into some....some got it when hands were laid on them , and some got it just by hearing and believing the Gospel being taught “ AS” it was being taught, as my verse proves.....
Somebody needs to stick a fork in you because YOU are “Done”......The Truth Of this matter is out there for all to see.....People can stay in their Confusion along with you, or they can simply Believe the Bible....You’ve been BUSTED and only Spiritually Blind men like you and “ loser” Er....ah... “ user” , I mean, will not be gifted by God to realize it.....
I just don't think God buys this Acts skipper stuff, right?
What God “ buys” is those that “ Finish Acts” and see how your Idol of water baptism being the ONLY way to get God’s Spirit is a sad, ignorant farce.....
Acts Skippers are neither here nor there...if you want to get the Holy Spirit in you that will Save you, all you have to do is ask for it....
Now, the “Gospel Skippers” are the ones that are in REAL Trouble......if one “ADDS” to Pauls Gospel of Grace Plus Nothing , he is in big enough trouble—— he ‘ Falls From Grace” ....
Those that go a step further and actually “ TEACH” these “False and Perverted” so- called Gospels like two guys in here do, they wind up being “ ACCURSED” , which is just a polite way of saying “ God Damned” .....
The Gospel is 1Cor15:2-4 ——- NOT Acts 2:8......That Gospel is what Saves In this “ Age Of Grace” .....Add to it or ignore it at your own Risk.....God’s gonna ask you about when you stand in front of Him on Judgement Day... Boast about you “ Wet Hair” all you want....He ain’t gonna be impressed...Salvation has Nothing to do with YOU and what YOU have “ Done” .....it’s what “ HE” did.....HE gets ALL of the Glory and you get NONE......Humble , Saved men “get” that....Wet Haired , boasting Preeners do not...
What God “ buys” is those that “ Finish Acts” and see how your Idol of water baptism being the ONLY way to get God’s Spirit is a sad, ignorant farce.....
Acts Skippers are neither here nor there...if you want to get the Holy Spirit in you that will Save you, all you have to do is ask for it....
Now, the “Gospel Skippers” are the ones that are in REAL Trouble......if one “ADDS” to Pauls Gospel of Grace Plus Nothing , he is in big enough trouble—— he ‘ Falls From Grace” ....
Those that go a step further and actually “ TEACH” these “False and Perverted” so- called Gospels like two guys in here do, they wind up being “ ACCURSED” , which is just a polite way of saying “ God Damned” .....
The Gospel is 1Cor15:2-4 ——- NOT Acts 2:8......That Gospel is what Saves In this “ Age Of Grace” .....Add to it or ignore it at your own Risk.....God’s gonna ask you about when you stand in front of Him on Judgement Day... Boast about you “ Wet Hair” all you want....He ain’t gonna be impressed...Salvation has Nothing to do with YOU and what YOU have “ Done” .....it’s what “ HE” did.....HE gets ALL of the Glory and you get NONE......Humble , Saved men “get” that....Wet Haired , boasting Preeners do not...
You ask about “ his need?” What else has he “ got” seeing as to how he is a “Gospel Denier?”....... Water trumps the Shed Blood Of Jesus in His ignorant “ doctrine”......
Yes, and in that “ reading” , make sure that you “read” the Transitional Book Of Acts to the end....with “ Falser” , I’d even settle for Ten Chapters—— it’s that Tenth one that blows his Hog Wash , so- called doctrine out of the water...
Acts 10:44......” While Peter was still Speaking, the Holy Spirit fell upon all of the people in the room”..... it means nothing that they were baptized a month, a week or an hour later—- they got the Holy Spirit That Saved Them BEFORE any water entered the scene.....case closed....only a Stiff - Necked Blindman could deny this ...
Lol..... a five year old could figure it out... But Stuff- Necked Jackasses will “ never” GET It....The Truth is out there for the Newbies to see and that is all that I care about.....you can’t discuss Scripture seriously with a “ Johny One Note” Blind Guide ....Its what Jesus called “ Casting Pearls before Swine” ..... .He has been a great and oblivious “ Springboard” That has been used by me and others to get many Great Scriptural Truths out there to an On- Looking World....I sincerely thank the Jackass for that !
Matthew is not the only account of the Great Commission...
Luke 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
Here are scriptures of baptism in Jesus name...
Acts 2:38 "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the NAME of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."
Acts 8:16 "(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the NAME of the Lord Jesus)."
Acts 19:5 "When they heard this, they were baptized in the NAME of the Lord Jesus."
Now please show me scripture where ANYONE was baptized using the words, "Father, Son, Holy Ghost"
Like this?...
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Don't you think it is cool to post the passages and not skip the baptism parts?
So, Acts teaches this....
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
...and "Trans teachers" teach it TRANSITIONS to, "all you have to do is ask", and you are saved, forfeiting Peter's answer in verse 38.
This is an Acts skipper admitting that they did away with Acts 2:38.
