Acts 2:38 is hidden from Christendom like Jesus is hidden from the blinded Jews

[Randy Kluth]

Look....

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,...


....who is right?

Peter or Randy?

Proposition to an unsaved brother: If you get out of bed this morning, if you drive down to church this Sunday, if you respond to the message by going up to the altar, YOU WILL BE SAVED ! I ask you, brother, which was it that saved the person--getting up in the morning, driving to church, going down to the altar, or receiving Jesus? But I just said that he got saved driving to church! And he went to church to get saved! He did it to have his sins remitted! Did, then, driving to church save him? Indirectly yes, but theologically no.

Baptism doesn't save anybody. Getting baptized for *an unsaved person* is an expression of wanting to *get saved!* But when somebody has already been saved, has already received Jesus, has already repented, has already accepted the Gospel, the baptism is purely symbolic of what's already happened in the heart, namely the spiritual confession. Accepting Jesus' life in place of our own is what constitutes repentance. And it is this kind of repentance, in Jesus' name, that brings Salvation.

The unsaved person, who is not yet saved, is making application for Salvation by accepting Baptism, a symbol of repentance. But the believer who has already accepted the Lord, may get baptized as part of a symbolic initiation ceremony into Christianity, making a public confession to announce the change to the world.

Peter spoke to Jews who had already been exposed to John the Baptist's baptism, which genuinely expressed repentance, but did not bring eternal life. To get saved and receive eternal life Peter suggested the Jewish People now get baptized in Jesus' name in order to receive eternal life. It was just another application for forgiveness, just as John the Baptist's baptism had been. But more, it was an application of unsaved people for baptism in Jesus' name, which *does* bring eternal life! It wasn't the baptism--it was doing it in Jesus' name that made the repentance able to achieve eternal life.

 

[Truther]

I am up to speed. If your language changes, I will try to take that into consideration. As it is, I'm only responding to what you said last.

My point in saying that Water Baptism does not provide Salvation by removing bodily pollution is to show that it is not a required act for Salvation. It is a simulation. And that was the question.

Look....

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,...


....who is right?

Peter or Randy?

Proposition to an unsaved brother: If you get out of bed this morning, if you drive down to church this Sunday, if you respond to the message by going up to the altar, YOU WILL BE SAVED ! I ask you, brother, which was it that saved the person--getting up in the morning, driving to church, going down to the altar, or receiving Jesus? But I just said that he got saved driving to church! And he went to church to get saved! He did it to have his sins remitted! Did, then, driving to church save him? Indirectly yes, but theologically no.

Baptism doesn't save anybody. Getting baptized for *an unsaved person* is an expression of wanting to *get saved!* But when somebody has already been saved, has already received Jesus, has already repented, has already accepted the Gospel, the baptism is purely symbolic of what's already happened in the heart, namely the spiritual confession. Accepting Jesus' life in place of our own is what constitutes repentance. And it is this kind of repentance, in Jesus' name, that brings Salvation.

The unsaved person, who is not yet saved, is making application for Salvation by accepting Baptism, a symbol of repentance. But the believer who has already accepted the Lord, may get baptized as part of a symbolic initiation ceremony into Christianity, making a public confession to announce the change to the world.

Peter spoke to Jews who had already been exposed to John the Baptist's baptism, which genuinely expressed repentance, but did not bring eternal life. To get saved and receive eternal life Peter suggested the Jewish People now get baptized in Jesus' name in order to receive eternal life. It was just another application for forgiveness, just as John the Baptist's baptism had been. But more, it was an application of unsaved people for baptism in Jesus' name, which *does* bring eternal life! It wasn't the baptism--it was doing it in Jesus' name that made the repentance able to achieve eternal life.

You just debunked the 3000 here....

37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, ...


.....as you offer this instead....

37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto RANDY and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

38 Then RANDY said unto them, if you drive down to church this Sunday, if you respond to the message by going up to the altar, YOU WILL BE SAVED

 

[Randy Kluth]

Look....

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,...


....who is right?

Peter or Randy?

You just debunked the 3000 here....

37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, ...


.....as you offer this instead....

37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto RANDY and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

38 Then RANDY said unto them, if you drive down to church this Sunday, if you respond to the message by going up to the altar, YOU WILL BE SAVED

Clearly, you failed to grasp my argument!

 

[Truther]

Clearly, you failed to grasp my argument!

Is this arguable?...

37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.


....is this argument an original RCC argument that is carried on into seminary, then to the everyday believer in Jesus.

 

[Randy Kluth]

Is this arguable?...

37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.


....is this argument an original RCC argument that is carried on into seminary, then to the everyday believer in Jesus.

No. If you ignore all the points I've made, then no more explanations will be forthcoming.

 

[Illuminator]

Is this arguable?...

37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.


....is this argument an original RCC argument that is carried on into seminary, then to the everyday believer in Jesus.

No, it isn't. It's one verse taken out of context by heretics (Jesus-onlyists, Oneness Pentecostals, anti-trinitarians) because Peter isn't giving instructions on how to baptize, and he is not baptizing anyone when he said this. It is not a liturgical formula for baptism. "RCC" is an inaccurate slur and you use that term only because you know it is annoying. This too has been explained repeatedly and you have a habit of contaminating threads with your Modalist nonsense. Catholics have not changed the form and intent of baptism for over 2000 years; the evidence is there for anyone who wishes to see it.

The Catholic Church (CC) views most Protestant baptisms as valid, and you have no idea why.

 

[Truther]

No. If you ignore all the points I've made, then no more explanations will be forthcoming.

The only points you make are invalid when compared to Acts 2:38....

37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

...which still stands as the only way to find remission of sins today.

 

[Truther]

No, it isn't. It's one verse taken out of context by heretics (Jesus-onlyists, Oneness Pentecostals, anti-trinitarians) because Peter isn't giving instructions on how to baptize, and he is not baptizing anyone when he said this. It is not a liturgical formula for baptism. "RCC" is an inaccurate slur and you use that term only because you know it is annoying. This too has been explained repeatedly and you have a habit of contaminating threads with your anti-trinitarian heresies. Catholics have not changed the form and intent of baptism for over 2000 years; the evidence is there for anyone who wishes to see it.

You too are an Acts 2:38 skipper.

AKA, a remissionless believer in Jesus.

 

[DJT_47]

This is amazing but true.

The Jews per Romans 11 etc have been voluntarily blinded and Christians have also been voluntarily blinded from obeying Acts 2:38.

It is as if each group has put their own eyes out with a bias instrument.

Funny thing is, it does not physically hurt either of the groups, but only causes them to walk in darkness and ignorance.

I always wondered with amazement of how the 1st century Jews could block out Jesus miracles for the "greater good of Judaism".

I find it even more amazing how a professing Christian can do away with Acts 2:38 for the "greater good" of modern Christendom.

It started with disobeying Acts 2:38, then spirals down into moral decay, multiversionism, closet translators and splintering factions of Christendom.

Wow!

You are correct. Acts 2:38 is routinely ignored as are other similar scriptures that plainly infer or blatantly state that water baptism is a requirement for salvation, no different than is belief.

 

[Invisibilis]

@Truther , Truth is perfect, real, complete, and does not need 'conditions' to make it more true; truth is unconditional. So why try to make it conditional.

 

[Rockerduck]

Remission means that something has stopped. like being in remission from cancer.

Mark 1:4 - John came baptizing in the wilderness and preaching a baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.

Acts 2:38 - Then Peter said to them" Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins.

Repent first means to do an about face, in other words; realize your sin and stop. So John and Peter are both are saying the same thing. Repent and be baptized and sin no more.

Only Jesus can forgive sins, and for us, only after receiving the Holy Spirit.

 

[Truther]

You are correct. Acts 2:38 is routinely ignored as are other similar scriptures that plainly infer or blatantly state that water baptism is a requirement for salvation, no different than is belief.

Yes. The anti-baptismalists are just as guilty for disobeying Acts 2:38 as the abortionists are guilty of killing babies.

Both have no remission of sins.

 

[Truther]

@Truther , Truth is perfect, real, complete, and does not need 'conditions' to make it more true; truth is unconditional. So why try to make it conditional.

Acts 2:38 is a commandment and not a personal preference.

 

[Rockerduck]

Hello Truther,

You said "Yes. The anti-baptismalists are just as guilty for disobeying Acts 2:38"

Who is anti baptism? After you accept Jesus as your Savior, I recommend baptism for obedience, not salvation. But on your deathbed, your accepting Jesus is far more important. Do you want to lose your soul?

Why are you stuck on what the Apostle Peter says in Act 2:38 and ignore what the Apostle Peter says in Acts 10:47.

 

[Truther]

Hello Truther,

You said "Yes. The anti-baptismalists are just as guilty for disobeying Acts 2:38"

Who is anti baptism? After you accept Jesus as your Savior, I recommend baptism for obedience, not salvation. But on your deathbed, your accepting Jesus is far more important. Do you want to lose your soul?

Why are you stuck on what the Apostle Peter says in Act 2:38 and ignore what the Apostle Peter says in Acts 10:47.

Anti baptimalists are those that disobey this....

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Peter did not say this....

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and GIVE A DEATHBED CONFESSION for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

You see, when I was in the baptismal tank, the baptizer asked me "how long do you plan to serve the Lord Jesus"? I said "all the days of my life".
He then said, because of your confession "I baptize you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins", the immersed me in Jesus name.

You need this.

 

[Rockerduck]

Hello Truther,
I did say that John meant for those around him to Repent of their sins and be baptized. Meaning the same thing as Repent and be baptized for the remission of sins. There is nothing in water immersion that forgives sins; only Jesus can forgive sins.

Peter only knew John's baptism at Pentecost, that's why he quoted John's preaching

Mark 1:4 - John came baptizing in the wilderness and preaching a baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.

See what John says here

Matthew 3:8 - Therefore bear fruits worthy of repentance.

John says live like a person who proclaimed repentance. In other words, he tells them You said you would stop sinning, now stop.

 

[Invisibilis]

Acts 2:38 is a commandment and not a personal preference.

Truth has no issue or agenda, only the needy have them. The needy are fearful that they won't get it right. All fears are distortions of the truth. As long as you believe what you do now, then you cannot see passed your personal definitions of human language. Spirit is deeper than what can be thought. Truth cannot be received with a clenched fist, but instead all you get is further distortion and fear of being imperfect. Discernment of Truth comes from faith (an open fearless heart) so the Spirit of Truth can become our consciousness. Hearing the Spirit of Truth is still a personal preference, you either accept it or deny it. Remember, Truth is unconditional and its expression liberates the mind so the Heart can express unconditional love and gratitude. Truth, Faith, Love. All three cannot be separated from each other. If one is missing, then all you get is a distortion, a deception of what Really is.

 

[Truther]

Hello Truther,
I did say that John meant for those around him to Repent of their sins and be baptized. Meaning the same thing as Repent and be baptized for the remission of sins. There is nothing in water immersion that forgives sins; only Jesus can forgive sins.

Peter only knew John's baptism at Pentecost, that's why he quoted John's preaching

Mark 1:4 - John came baptizing in the wilderness and preaching a baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.

See what John says here

Matthew 3:8 - Therefore bear fruits worthy of repentance.

John says live like a person who proclaimed repentance. In other words, he tells them You said you would stop sinning, now stop.

What can be used to remit sins is the name of Jesus Christ being spoken during the immersion process.

 

[Truther]

Truth has no issue or agenda, only the needy have them. The needy are fearful that they won't get it right. All fears are distortions of the truth. As long as you believe what you do now, then you cannot see passed your personal definitions of human language. Spirit is deeper than what can be thought. Truth cannot be received with a clenched fist, but instead all you get is further distortion and fear of being imperfect. Discernment of Truth comes from faith (an open fearless heart) so the Spirit of Truth can become our consciousness. Hearing the Spirit of Truth is still a personal preference, you either accept it or deny it. Remember, Truth is unconditional and its expression liberates the mind so the Heart can express unconditional love and gratitude. Truth, Faith, Love. All three cannot be separated from each other. If one is missing, then all you get is a distortion, a deception of what Really is.

To say one is obeying the book of Acts they must obey Acts 2:38 first.

 

[Rockerduck]

Hello Truther,

You said "What can be used to remit sins is the name of Jesus Christ being spoken during the immersion process".

Man cannot invoke or speak the name of Jesus Christ to forgive sins. Only Jesus Christ has that power. You have to accept Jesus Christ as your personal Savior; for salvation, then your sins will be forgiven forever.

Colossians 2:14 - NLT - He canceled the record of the charges (sins) against us and took it away by nailing it to the cross.