Actually Jesus returns twice...
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Rev 8 verse 7 says...and a third of the trees were burned up, and all green grass was burned up.
Verse 9 says...9 A third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.
I'm somewhat speculating...as we don't really know but it looks like verse 10 will happen on April 13, 1029.
No where in mans history did anything like Rev 8 ever happen.
Well, it depends on how you interpret the world and a third of, but date setting that's a whole different ball game
I'm assuming you made a typo since April 13, 1029 already came and went ages ago.
The Light
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Matthew 24
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
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Again. There is no scripture that says that there is a 7 year tribulation.
The final week begins when a 7 year covenant with many is made. This has nothing whatsoever to do with a 7 year tribulation as there is no 7 year tribulation, and there is no scripture that supports the idea of a seven year tribulation.
No sir. That would be impossible as there is only 3.5 years remaining in the 70th week of Daniel.
Again. From the decree to rebuild Jerusalem unto Messiah the prince is 69 weeks of 7. Then the 70 week begins and Messiah is cut off after 3.5 years.
So your contention that there is a 7 year tribulation based on the 70th week of Daniel is incorrect. Scriptural FACT.
That is not the case either. The great tribulation is set up in the middle of the final week.
The last half of the final week contains, the great tribulation, the ONE YEAR of Gods wrath and the Day of Atonement..........so the great tribulation does not last 3.5 years.
Matthew 24
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be (I believe we are right here in the timeline) famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
The tribulationbegins when the 7 year covenant is made. After 3 1/2 years the covenant will be broken and the portion of the tribulation called the great tribulation will begin.
If you say so.
If you say so.
That final week is the 7 year tribulation.
If you say so.
The Light
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If you wanted to speculate on Apophis coming on April 13, 2029, I don't think it would be the verses you are quoting. I think these verses are more likely.
Revelation 8
10 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;
11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.
Further, we could speculate on the Ezekiel 4 prophecy with the house of Israel and house the Judah and with two completely different calculations for each house and arrive at the year 2030 for both houses.
If we further speculated and used a day for a year as we see in Ezekiel 4, and speculate that the Day of Atonement would be one year long that would put Gods wrath ending in the fall of 2029. This of course would fit with Apophis arriving in the spring of 2029.
We know that the wrath of God.....the 7th seal, last for ONE YEAR. So we could further speculate that the wrath of God would begin in the fall of 2028.
We could speculate more and say if this was so, the second rapture which is of the 12 tribes would have to happen on the Feast of Trumpets 2028, at the last trump.
Speculating on Matthew 24 that this generation, the fig tree generation, would not pass away until all these things listed in Matthew 24 have happened. That would mean that 1948+80 years would at the exact year of 2028.
Why 80 years? That is the length of years of a generation of strength.
Psalm 90
10 The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.
11 Who knoweth the power of thine anger? even according to thy fear, so is thy wrath.
12 So teach us to number our days, that we may apply our hearts unto wisdom.
13 Return, O Lord, how long? and let it repent thee concerning thy servants.
And we fly away. Return O Lord, how long?
Of course, for all this speculation to make sense we would need to count back 7 years from the fall of 2030 and find a 7 year covenant with many.
Is there a 7 year covenant with many that was made in the fall of 2023? Interestingly enough, yes.
There was a 7 year covenant made by the United Nations in September of 2023. It is known as the 7 year Accelerated SDG Covenant. Is this the covenant with many in Daniels prophecy? We don't know as it is unconfirmed by the prince that shall come at this time.
If we speculated that it is the covenant of Daniels prophecy that would mean that the Church would have to be raptured this summer, late July to mid August. This would likely occur on the Feast of New Wine or Tu B'Av. That would also mean that the Temple will have to be built by mid 2027.
Of course, this is all just speculation based on scriptures in the Word of God. However, we are instructed to WATCH. It would be wise to watch, just in case. The bride has made herself ready.
The Light
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None of this has happened as the seals are not opened. The seals will not be opened until the Church is in heaven.
The Light
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Right. So there is no scripture that says that there is a 7 year tribulation.
It seems math is not your strong suit.
That's what the Word says.
Again. You have no scripture that says that there is a 7 year tribulation. If there is one, I would sure like to see it.
Maybe this will help.
Daniel 9
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
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The premise is correct, there are two distinct separate comings to earth by our Lord and Saviour. The timing however is askew. The first coming is indeed at the resurrection of the just. This takes place after the plagues during which time God's people are protected, but witness those events first hand as a testimony to God faithfulness and justice. They are taken by the Groom to attend the marriage supper of the Lamb and are introduced pertains to His Father. They were protected just like Israel during the plagues of Egypt.
The next coming is at the end of the 1000 years when all the redeemed come with Him in the New Jerusalem to return to the earth at the resurrection of the wicked, that the wicked are shown their evil ways, all their God given opportunities to repent but refused, and are be judged and destroyed after which there is recreated a new heaven and a new earth.
The next coming is at the end of the 1000 years when all the redeemed come with Him in the New Jerusalem to return to the earth at the resurrection of the wicked, that the wicked are shown their evil ways, all their God given opportunities to repent but refused, and are be judged and destroyed after which there is recreated a new heaven and a new earth.
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"Again. You have no scripture that says that there is a 7 year tribulation. If there is one, I would sure like to see it."
Just pretend Daniel 9 ;27 is wrong.
1 WEEK = 7 YEARS
In THE MIDDLE OF THE WEEK ...HELLO..7 YEARS... THE TEMPLE IS DESCECRATED.
3.5 INTO THE 7 YEARS THE TEMPLE IS DESCECRATED.
IT COULD NOT BE MORE PLAIN
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rebuilder 454
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Uh no.
There is ONLY ONE PLACE where Jesus comes in power and great glory.
That is the second coming of rev 19.
So you got that dead wrong.
From THAT POINT you insist on a warped interpretation of mat 24 and Rev 6.
You use both of those to invent a second coming DURING the 7 year tribulation, and invent a wrath part of the 7 yr trib to be one year.
All that is invented, USING VERSES OUT OF PROPER ALIGNMENT.
YOUR "DOT CONNECTING" ABILITY IS WAY OFF.
YOU ALSO CLAIM TO HAVE SPECIAL UNIQUE REVELATION OUTSIDE ANY OF THE BODY OF CHRIST...AND CLAIM, THAT IS THOUGHT BY YOU, TO AUTHENTICATE YOUR SPECIAL ABILITIES.
Actually NO SCRIPTURE is of private interpretation.
ANY INTERPRETATION is subject to challenge BY THE BODY OF CHRIST.
....WHICH IS WHY your doctrine does not line up.
You change matt 24
You change revelation 6
You do not know who the white horse ac rider is.
You claim the white horse ac rider has no 7yr covenant
You claim the wrath part is 1 yr.
You cast down Daniel 9 :27.
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