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OK, now I may have time for you. And FYI, just because someone doesn't respond to one your posts, have you considered that you might be on their IGNORE LIST? You have been on my IGNORE LIST FOR A WHILE NOW.

No, that Satan's abode of hell is IN... heaven is NOT false! Can you not READ?

Rev 12:7-8
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not;
neither was their place found any more in heaven.
KJV

So are you another one of those superstitious flesh-only-thinking type of persons? Sounds like you aren't even aware... that there is another dimension of existence other than this earthly material dimension!

In the Book of Job when Satan and his angels came to appear before God's Throne, WHERE DID THAT TAKE PLACE?? You actually think that happened ON EARTH is our earthly dimension???

Job 1:6-7
6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

7 And the LORD said unto Satan, "Whence comest thou?" Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, "From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it."
KJV


Questions about the above Scripture:
1. Where was God and Satan when Satan appeared before God there?
2. What dimension of existence were they in, this earthly one, or the heavenly one?
3. How is that Satan was able to appear... before The LORD, if as you say, that Satan cannot be in heaven?
4. Do you think Satan was bound in the pit at the cross?

By the time of Job, Satan had already rebelled and fallen. Yet there he was, appearing before God in the heavenly dimension.
5. Where exactly do you think the pit of hell is located?
Yes satan was upon earth, just as Job 1:7 states below, yes this earth is God's "Footstool" Isaiah 66:1

Yes satan was upon earth for the Lord's temptation of 40 days/nights

"NO" Satan isn't in heaven, as Jesus sits victorious over satan, at the right hand of the Father

Job 1:7KJV
7 And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
 

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Yes satan was upon earth, just as Job 1:7 states below, yes this earth is God's "Footstool" Isaiah 66:1
What kind of silly answer is that.

If you're not going to be serious with God's Word, then back to my IGNORE LIST you go!

In Job 1, what I quoted, Satan and his angels appeared BEFORE GOD'S THRONE, and YOU say that happened ON EARTH??? You're being a silly donkey!
 

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What kind of silly answer is that.

If you're not going to be serious with God's Word, then back to my IGNORE LIST you go!

In Job 1, what I quoted, Satan and his angels appeared BEFORE GOD'S THRONE, and YOU say that happened ON EARTH??? You're being a silly donkey!
Isaiah 66:1KJV
Thus saith the Lord, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?
 

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The better question is where did both Daniel and Matthew get the prophesy from?
That's easy. Daniel got the signs about the 'end' of this world from the angel mentioned there. Much of it came from the Archangel Gabriel mentioned in Daniel 8 and Daniel 9.

And Apostle Matthew got the Signs of the 'end' from Lord Jesus while he and the Apostles were upon the Mount of Olives with Jesus giving those Signs of the end.

Anyone would be able to answer your question by simply READING those Scriptures, so... with you asking that, does that mean you have NOT read those Scriptures? How would you know about the "abomination of desolation" prophecy then?
 

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That's easy. Daniel got the signs about the 'end' of this world from the angel mentioned there. Much of it came from the Archangel Gabriel mentioned in Daniel 8 and Daniel 9.

And Apostle Matthew got the Signs of the 'end' from Lord Jesus while he and the Apostles were upon the Mount of Olives with Jesus giving those Signs of the end.

Anyone would be able to answer your question by simply READING those Scriptures, so... with you asking that, does that mean you have NOT read those Scriptures? How would you know about the "abomination of desolation" prophecy then?

It is a rhetorical question that assumes professing Christians should know all that is written originates from God.

2 Timothy 3:16 (KJV) All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

2 Peter 1:21 (KJV) For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
 

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It is a rhetorical question that assumes professing Christians should know all that is written originates from God.

2 Timothy 3:16 (KJV) All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

2 Peter 1:21 (KJV) For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
Someone who tries to speak out about endtime events, as you have in posts here, should at least be able to read where Daniel and Matthew got their info from. So speaking of rhetoric, that obviously is your game.
 

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It is a rhetorical question that assumes professing Christians should know all that is written originates from God.
Time to face up like a man and answer this question...

Question: where did Lord Jesus get the Matthew 24:15 prophecy that He quoted from the Book of Daniel? Where in the Book of Daniel?
 

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Time to face up like a man and answer this question...

Question: where did Lord Jesus get the Matthew 24:15 prophecy that He quoted from the Book of Daniel? Where in the Book of Daniel?

Why? It would only upset you! Why not simply tell us what you think the answer is and save us the trouble of listening to your constant whining?
 

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Why? It would only upset you! Why not simply tell us what you think the answer is and save us the trouble of listening to your constant whining?
You don't want to answer it, so why don't you admit that if you actually showed where Jesus was quoting in Daniel from, it would destroy your false doctrines about the 70 weeks prophecy.
 

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This war in heaven has already happened. It happened with the birth of the man child, who is Jesus Christ come to this world a human. Beginning with verse 7 proves an agenda. We cannot understand the timing of the war in heaven that took place when Christ was born without quoting the passage in context. To post out of context is an attempt to prove our doctrine and is not interested in truth.
No, it has not, had it you would have seen satan as Christ and you would also see the two witnesses.
 
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Revelation 12:7
"And there was war in heaven: Mi'-cha-el and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,,"

This event brings us back into heaven. The war is between Satan [the dragon] and his angels, who are fighting against Michael and his angels. Satan will lose.

Revelation 12:8 "And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven."

This is the time of the sounding of the fifth trumpet, when Satan and his fallen angels are released upon the earth for the final five months period, spoken of in Revelation 9:5, 10. Satan will spend five months here on earth deceiving all mankind, then go to the pit for the thousand years. After that thousand years, Satan [not his fallen angels] will be released for a short period, then go to perdition [perish]. Once Satan is kicked out of heaven, he will not be allowed to return. Today Satan is in heaven accusing the saints before the Lord.

This is prophesy that will come in the very near future.

Revelation 12:9 "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Sa'-tan, which deceived the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."

If you were ever confused who Satan is, John calls him by the names he used while playing his different roles on earth. The "dragon" is Satan's role in that first earth age, when one third of all of God's children followed him. Satan's evil spirit is allowed on earth now, along with his demons. However, you haven't seen Satan in person yet. Satan and his angels, both physically and bodily, will come to earth just as they did in Genesis 6.

When Satan is cast out it will be as it was in the days of Noah. This is what Jesus said in Matthew 24:37: "But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be." Mankind will be mixing with the angels, and the women even marrying them just as was going on in Noah's day before the flood. Sodomy will be common, and all forms of filth will be made public, and accepted and considered normal. The world and the kenite influence is preparing us, and our mind to accept all forms of filth in sex and marriage as being natural; and to consider their perversion as being of God.

Your acceptance and view of this filth of sodomy and religious form will tell you to what state of depravity your mind has sunk. The condition of your soul will be determined by what you know, and how you stand on these issues, at Satan's arrival to earth.

Revelation 12:10 "And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power [authority] of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night."

This is why Satan's other name is "the accuser", for he continually stands before God's throne accusing all the saints of God. When you mess up, Satan will let God know about it. That is why it is important for us to repent immediately when we become aware of sin in our lives. Then all barriers between God and us are removed. Satan will continue to accuse you before God, right up to the time he is caste out to the earth.

Revelation 12:11 "And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death."

When Satan and his fallen angles are cast out onto the earth, the "elect" and those who have the seal of God in their minds will overcome them through the power given them in Christ's blood. You are the "elect" when you understand who Satan is, and what will come to pass. God has promised you and I that we have power over Satan, and God's protection is extended to each of those sealed in their minds.

"The word" of your testimony will allow you to overcome them, you won't even premeditate what to say, for God, through the Holy Spirit, will put the words in your mouth. The death that comes is to the "two witnesses" only, and to them it is for 84 hours [three and a half days].

Revelation 12:12 "Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time."

When Satan is caste out, those dear souls in heaven will start a celebration in heaven. Those are the dear Christians that have died and are in heaven with the Father. However, Satan [the devil] is coming to earth with his angels to bring the wrath of their deception with them. Satan is not after your body, but after your soul.

Satan knows God's word, and the judgment passed upon him. He is sentenced to death already, and he knows his time is short. He will come to earth with his bag of tricks, and lying wonders, and the with authority from God to deceive every man on this earth. The only exception is to those who have the seal [knowledge] of God [written in God's Word] in their minds for they will not be deceived.

If you have not taken the time to put that truth in his Word into your mind, you will fall for Satan's razzle-dazzle sideshow of tricks. Satan will walk this earth with his fallen angels, and you will see them, hear their speech and even present themselves as fellow men. You are not going to fly out of here, but face them in this generation, and you will either stand against Satan and his realm, or you will fall. What is at stake here is your soul, and not your flesh body.

 

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Here's a tidbit on the latter part of Revelation 12 for those brethren interested...

From this point forward, this Scripture is all about the very END of this world, specifically the "great tribulation" event caused by the devil being cast down to this earth with his angels...


Rev 12:7-17
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not;
neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

That part in red above is especially important to understand. It's because that shows Satan (that "dragon), that his place right now is in Heaven. But when this war with Archangel Michael happens in Heaven, then Satan's place will no longer be in Heaven. What does that mean then?

God's written Word reveals there are TWO separate dimensions of existence. There is this earthly dimension we live in here on earth. And then there is the Heavenly dimension where our Heavenly Father, His Son, and the angels dwell. It is in a dimension made up of Spirit, and not material matter like this earthly one. That MUST be understood to grasp the above event. It means Satan and his angels are coming... HERE... in OUR earthly dimension, de facto, literally upon this earth in PLAIN SIGHT. All peoples and nations will see him, and think he is God (2 Thessalonians 2).


10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, "Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
11 And
they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

Do you understand that above means for the END... of this world, and not for some time in past history for these events? Since when was the power of Christ's Salvation offered back in the old world when Satan first rebelled against God? Some false prophets actually teach that, saying these events already happened back when Satan first rebelled. Not true. These events are for the last days leading up to Christ's future coming.

Did you notice that event in verse 11 above about those who overcome by "the blood of the Lamb" (Jesus Christ), and they gave a Testimony, and loved not their lives unto death? What is the 5th Seal of Revelation 6 about? It is about the souls under the altar in Heaven asking God how long until His revenge is poured upon the earth. God tells them to yet wait a little season, until their fellowservants are killed as they were. That is pointing to the coming time "great tribulation", not past history.


12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time."

What "short time"? The shortened time for the "great tribulation". Lord Jesus gave it to His faithful who keep HIS Word. Do you know it? It is written in His Revelation. Satan, that dragon, well knows he has but a short time to work his deception upon the earth for the end.

13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.


Rev.12:6 already mentioned a previous 1260 days period prior to the dragon being cast down to this earth. Here is the latter half of the Daniel 9:27 symbolic "one week" which represents 7 years. The 1260 day periods equal 7 years.

So when Satan and his angels are cast out of the Heavenly down to this earth, literally, he will persecute the symbolic 'woman' which will represent Christ's Church at that time for the end. The majority of Jews will still be unbelief, and follow the dragon as the false-Messiah, so this symbolic 'woman' cannot mean them. This 'woman' represents those in Christ the devil will be against because they will know who this false-Messiah actually is, i.e., the devil himself. Thus this 'woman' here represents Christ's ELECT who cannot be deceived at the end. Are you in this group, ready to serve Lord Jesus at the end, by making a 'stand' in the "evil day" for Him? Jesus said some of us would be delivered up to give a Testimony for Him, and to speak whatever The Holy Spirit gives us to say in that 'hour'.

15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.

Did you notice how Christ used the symbols here back and forth of the 'dragon' and 'serpent'? Both are about the devil himself, Satan. Did Lord Jesus do that to get our attention on these events? I think so.

The symbolic analogy of the LIES that will come out of the devil-false-Messiah's mouth being like a flood of waters is actually an analogy first given back in the Old Testament prophets. Isaiah was given to speak of these 'waters as a flood' in regard to "the Assyrian", the historical king of Assyria that came upon Israel. The kings of Assyria actually removed the ten northern tribes of Israel from the land. God in some places in Isaiah uses this title "the Assyrian" as symbolic for Satan himself.

What this means is that Christ is pointing us back to historical events in the Book of Isaiah dealing with the Assyrian, and using that as a blueprint for the end time events by this "serpent" coming to persecute Christ's elect for the end.


16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

The LIES out of Satan's mouth, for that is where we are shown those waters as a flood come from, does that affect Christ's elect. That's what this symbology about the woman being protected with Satan's flood of lies being swallowed up by the earth represents.

17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
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And thusly, Satan will be very angry that he will not be able to deceive Christ's elect. So he will go to make war with Christ's elect towards the end of the "great tribulation". That's who we are being shown this 'woman' is during these events since Rev.12:7. It's about the end time saints that have the Testimony of Jesus Christ.

Mark 13:9-11
9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for My sake,
for a testimony against them.
10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations.
11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.
KJV
Satan was cast out of heaven long ago, Revelation chapter 12 is a recap of events that are fulfilled

Satan was on this earth during Jobs temptation, and on this earth for the Lord's temptation of 40 days/nights
 
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Revelation 12:7 "And there was war in heaven: Mi'-cha-el and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,,"

When was the war in heaven? If you begin with vs 1 of Rev 12 you can understand it took place when the man child who was to rule the world with a rod of iron was born of a woman.

Revelation 12:1-2 (KJV) And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

Revelation 12:5-10 (KJV) And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

You quote vs 10 below, but then you appear to ignore how with the birth of Christ and Satan and his angels being cast out of heaven "salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of God, and the power of His Christ" came when the accuser was cast out when the man child was born of a woman.

"And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night."

This is very clear Satan and his demons were cast out of heaven when Christ came to earth a man.

Let me just end by quoting your words back to you, because what you have written clearly is for yourself! Because you appear to have fallen for Satan's "razzle-dazzle sideshow of tricks"!

If you have not taken the time to put that truth in his Word into your mind, you will fall for Satan's razzle-dazzle sideshow of tricks. Satan will walk this earth with his fallen angels, and you will see them, hear their speech and even present themselves as fellow men. You are not going to fly out of here, but face them in this generation, and you will either stand against Satan and his realm, or you will fall. What is at stake here is your soul, and not your flesh body.
 
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Satan was cast out of heaven long ago, Revelation chapter 12 is a recap of events that are fulfilled

Satan was on this earth during Jobs temptation, and on this earth for the Lord's temptation of 40 days/nights

Exactly! Before being cast out of heaven when Christ was born, and bound to this earth Satan had the ability to go back and forth from heaven to earth.
 

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When was the war in heaven? If you begin with vs 1 of Rev 12 you can understand it took place when the man child who was to rule the world with a rod of iron was born of a woman.

Revelation 12:1-2 (KJV) And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

Revelation 12:5-10 (KJV) And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

You quote vs 10 below, but then you appear to ignore how with the birth of Christ and Satan and his angels being cast out of heaven "salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of God, and the power of His Christ" came when the accuser was cast out when the man child was born of a woman.

"And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night."

This is very clear Satan and his demons were cast out of heaven when Christ came to earth a man.

Let me just end by quoting your words back to you, because what you have written clearly is for yourself! Because you appear to have fallen for Satan's "razzle-dazzle sideshow of tricks"!
Well, you're definitely already deceived, and you even act... like you WANT to be deceived by Satan. What n2thelight said is Scripture, not well wishing.
 

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Then you are not reading all of the Revelation 12:7-17 Scripture, because Jesus Christ had not yet been born through woman's womb and died on the cross back when Satan first rebelled in coveting God's Throne in that old world.

The Rev.12:7-17 verses together reveal the timing, and it is for the LAST DAYS.

And when did/do the last days commence?
 
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And when did/do the last days commence?
We've been in the 'last days' for a while now. Only way to know this is by staying in God's Word as written, instead of clowning around with God's Word like the majority do here.
 

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We've been in the 'last days' for a while now. Only way to know this is by staying in God's Word as written, instead of clowning around with God's Word like the majority do here.

Everyone does that apart from you. Yea right!
 
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