All the fulness of Deity dwells in Him Bodily !

[ChristisGod]

Yes.

If he was not full of the Holy Ghost, then he would have sinned and become a sinner.

Notice, the Holy Ghost left him on the cross as he was made to be sin for us.

God cannot be made to be sin, correct?...

For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

same answer for none is Good but God.

thanks for admitting Jesus is God and Good.

 

[kcnalp]

Never said that.

I said a man was MADE God by all of what his God consists of entering into his spirit body..

Same thing. lol

 

[kcnalp]

No, I am saying Jesus was made good by the infilling of the Holy Ghost and letting it lead him daily through his life.

It kept him from sinning, as the first Adam had failed in.

Jesus knew he was a redo of the first Adam, and had a course to run..

The incarnationist debunks this Biblical theme and says the last Adam was God himself...debunking Paul's analogy completely.

Jesus didn't have to be "made good"! You're calling Jesus a sinner!

 

[kcnalp]

Please explain the scripture to me word by word as you define it.

So you only have one Scripture that you're twisting to say Jesus wasn't good?

 

[Heyzeus]

So, do you call Jesus Christ Lord?

Indeed .. What is not to Like about this God ? EL-YHWH-Jeshua .. just Giving HS a name .. do you not think it is time the personage of the HS should come out of the Closet ? Who is behind mystery door number 1 ?

Mind you .. if I had my druthers .. there would be a feminine voice in the Group .. like in the "Good ol Days" of the OT when some worshiped El-YHWH with his Consort Asherah .. but alas .. the name of the Most High Matters not .. It is getting through the gates that is the name of the game.. and Jesus has given the Path ... the way .. the truth .. the light -at the end of the tunnel .. there is no "free pass' through this journey .. we all must pass judgement - but worry not - Jesus has shown the way ... and if one is not much literate .. and can only ingest one of the teachings .. then hearken to Matt 7:12 .. the rule that sums up the Law and the Prophets .. and then read the numerous restatements of this rule in the most famous Sermon of our Lord and Savoir .. then ..as per the end of the Sermon .. go out and live your life by that message .. and you will be OK.. Even if you don't know the name of God ... as per Matt 25 - The Truth has many sources -

 

[DNB]

They can by default.

They can be made the express image of the invisible God.

I would consider that...God enough for me.

All men have been created in God's image. The principle of perfection is expected from all men. 'Be holy, as I am holy'. Christ attained to this due to his uncompromised love and devotion to God, he loved Him with all his heart, mind and soul.
Nothing mystical nor deifying about this notion.

 

[kcnalp]

Col 1 By Jesus all things were created.
Jesus is God.

 

[Heyzeus]

Yes.

If he was not full of the Holy Ghost, then he would have sinned and become a sinner.

Notice, the Holy Ghost left him on the cross as he was made to be sin for us.

God cannot be made to be sin, correct?...

For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Anyone can be forgiven for Sin - even Jesus - not that he did - but just sayin .. even if he did ... so what .. I forgive him his trespasses as I would have him forgive me... the rest of the Law - and the Prophets - perhaps including himself ... is just commentary ?!

Thus Sayeth the Lord ..

 

[justbyfaith]

yes sin less yet sinful flesh just as mine or there’d have been no temptation.

No, Jesus' flesh was not sinful...His temptations had to do with unsinful aspects of His humanity.

God cannot be tempted with evil...

What matters is how to get through the pearly gates.. and there is not "Get past Judgement Card"

There is (John 5:24 (kjv)).

Jhn 5:24, Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

as per the end of the Sermon .. go out and live your life by that message .. and you will be OK.. Even if you don't know the name of God ...

Or you can call on the name of the Lord (God) and be saved (Romans 10:13)...

This name is clearly given in Acts of the Apostles 4:10-12.

Anyone can be forgiven for Sin - even Jesus - not that he did - but just sayin .. even if he did ... so what .. I forgive him his trespasses as I would have him forgive me... the rest of the Law - and the Prophets - perhaps including himself ... is just commentary ?!

Thus Sayeth the Lord ..

No; and by your estimation you have just committed the unpardonable sin (but you haven't...).

Forgiveness only comes through faith in the blood of Jesus (Romans 5:9, Romans 5:1, Romans 3:25, 1 John 1:7-9).

Jesus lived a perfect life and then died to take the penalty for our sins; now His perfect righteousness is applied to the account of the one who believeth in Him and what He did for him or her on the Cross.

This is the gospel...but I fear that I may be casting my pearls before swine here.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

What part of "The other" .. that other fellow over there .. do you not understand .. the one who sent Jesus is clearly not Jesus.

He is God in Full Equity and Fellowship of
Father, Son and Holy Spirit Who sent and came
with Jesus in the flesh
or He is not God.

He is God in Full Equity and Fellowship of
Father, Son and Holy Spirit Who was and suffered
with Jesus in his Suffering and Dying
or He is not God.

He is God in Full Equity and Fellowship of
Father, Son and Holy Spirit Who in Glorious Presence
with Jesus in his tomb Raised Him from the dead
or He is not God.

 

[Heyzeus]

No, Jesus' flesh was not sinful...His temptations had to do with unsinful aspects of His humanity.

God cannot be tempted with evil...



There is (John 5:24 (kjv)).

Jhn 5:24, Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.



Or you can call on the name of the Lord (God) and be saved (Romans 10:13)...

This name is clearly given in Acts of the Apostles 4:10-12.



No; and by your estimation you have just committed the unpardonable sin (but you haven't...).

Forgiveness only comes through faith in the blood of Jesus (Romans 5:9, Romans 5:1, Romans 3:25, 1 John 1:7-9).

Jesus lived a perfect life and then died to take the penalty for our sins; now His perfect righteousness is applied to the account of the one who believeth in Him and what He did for him or her on the Cross.

This is the gospel...but I fear that I may be casting my pearls before swine here.

Yes .. we all know what Pauline Scripture says - and John is a Pauline Hellenistic Fusion work- written 100-120 AD .. after the Pauline Branch of Christianity had taken over - and the Church had become very anti Jewish.

Unfortunately - this does not change the fact that Sola Fide is contradicted in other scripture .. and you still do not seem to understand the Logos concept.

In any case - since you can not bear to look at the Jesus of Matt/Mark .. I shall restrict myself to Paul

The Jews First - and then the Gentiles - all must pass through Judgement - the Jews by the Law ...and the Gentiles by the Law unto their conscience upon which their secrets are judged.

Don't think Paul was as "Sola Fide" as Marty would like him to be.. In any case .. Jesus has cast many pearls before you .. but you trample on them - walk over them like mud in the swamp - pretend they do not exist - and then project your failings onto others.

 

[Heyzeus]

No, He is God in Full Equity and Fellowship of Father, Son and Holy Spirit Who <<sent Jesus>>-- no <<fellow over there>>, you understand!

He is not in full equity with God according to Scripture - but you believe what you will :) You can find a few vague passages - most which you will misinterpret .. and a few that still have alternate interpretation .. which is Why Bible Encyclopedias and reference books say things like.

Although early Christian theologians speculated in many ways on the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, no one clearly and fully asserted the doctrine of the Trinity as explained at the top of the main entry until around the end of the so-called Arian Controversy. (See 3.2 below and section 3.1 of the supplementary document on unitarianism.) Nonetheless, proponents of such theories always claim them to be in some sense founded on, or at least illustrated by, biblical texts

.Trinity > History of Trinitarian Doctrines (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)

These few vague passages stand against a plethora of Claims by Jesus that he is not the Father ...

but it matters not to me ... Follow the teachings of Jesus and you will have a much better chance of passing through the pearly gates.. and there is no "free pass" all are Judged according to scripture.

Fortunately - Jesus has set the bar rather low - so chin up .. and follow the Golden Rule as Per Matt 7:12 ..

 

[FollowHim]

Everything charge that you laid, could be laid against you. You didn't even attempt to prove your point.
This is nonsense, and is not by necessity, true.

It is why Jesus said this profound thing. "Blessed are the pure in heart, they will see God"
When God came and touched us through Jesus, He exalted us up to be His companions and friends.

That is something very profound. And it is the whole point of Jesus being God, the Messiah, the embodiment of the Father on earth.
And it is your perspective with its certainty and dismissiveness which reveals why you cannot see another perspective.

You will have to do much better than that if you care to give God glory. But, I wouldn't dare, for the more one attempts to justify the doctrine of the trinity, the more that they defame God beyond repair.

Prove my point?

Jesus is worshipped. Being a created being to be worshipped is idolatry unless one is God.

I do not have to prove this because you can read this in the gospels. There are no other Gods other than the Father, so Jesus must be God, as the Father approves His ministry. So I know who Jesus is, and do not sin by worshipping Him. God bless you

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

No, Jesus' flesh was not sinful...His temptations had to do with unsinful aspects of His humanity.

God cannot be tempted with evil...

Amen, <Jesus' flesh was not sinful...His temptations had to do with unsinful aspects of His humanity> and Divinity -- incomprehensible for sinfulness like ours.

 

[Truther]

same answer for none is Good but God.

thanks for admitting Jesus is God and Good.

I was saying the Spirit in Jesus was good.
Jesus gave the source the credit, like we should.

 

[Truther]

Same thing. lol

My explanation is uniquely 1st century Apostolic.

 

[ChristisGod]

I was saying the Spirit in Jesus was good.
Jesus gave the source the credit, like we should.

Not in the passage, try sticking to the context.

Only God is Good !

 

[Truther]

Jesus didn't have to be "made good"! You're calling Jesus a sinner!

Paul taught there are 2 Adam's as a scriptural summary.

They were both made by God.

Both were God's sons.

Both were made sinless, but capable of sin.

The 1st Adam failed.

The last Adam succeeded by an external power(Holy Ghost inside).

God did not become neither Adam, as the RCC teaches God became the 2nd Adam(incarnation theory).

This idea debunks the Bible theme and the words of Jesus in most passages("my God", 'God is a Spirit", "only God is good' etc.).

This is why everyone goes astray from the original theme.

 

[ChristisGod]

Paul taught there are 2 Adam's as a scriptural summary.

They were both made by God.

Both were God's sons.

Both were made sinless, but capable of sin.

The 1st Adam failed.

The last Adam succeeded by an external power(Holy Ghost inside).

God did not become neither Adam, as the RCC teaches God became the 2nd Adam(incarnation theory).

This idea debunks the Bible theme and the words of Jesus in most passages("my God", 'God is a Spirit", "only God is good' etc.).

This is why everyone goes astray from the original theme.

He succeeded because He was God in the flesh unlike adam as Colossians 2:9 and John 1:1, John 1:14 and 1 Timothy 3:16 declares !

next.........................

 

[Truther]

All men have been created in God's image. The principle of perfection is expected from all men. 'Be holy, as I am holy'. Christ attained to this due to his uncompromised love and devotion to God, he loved Him with all his heart, mind and soul.
Nothing mystical nor deifying about this notion.

Only the man Christ Jesus was made the express image of his invisible God(reflecting his God visibly). This is called the Col 2:9 effect on his body.