All the fulness of Deity dwells in Him Bodily !

[justbyfaith]

They did not know a God by that name

They knew Him by the name of YHWH...

The name of Jesus means "YHWH is salvation"...the conclusion of YHWH revealing Himself in many such epitaphs...

YHWH-Tsidkenuh, YHWH-shalom, YHWH-Rapha, YHWH-Jireh, etc.

 

[Waiting on him]

Paul quotes Joel 2:32 whoever calls upon the name of YHWH(LORD) will be saved in Romans 10:13 who is Jesus- the One Lord a person must call upon to be saved.

proving you do not know Jesus.

case closed

My question would be does he call Him Lord?

 

[justbyfaith]

God ordained him as the first-born of all creation, ...not Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses or David, ....

Colossians 1:17 is saying that Jesus is the atomic glue that holds everything together.

v.15 teaching us that He has preeminence over all creation.

 

[Waiting on him]

Luke 1:15 KJV
[15] For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.
This has always been fascinating to me, the Lord views Him and He is Lord.

 

[DNB]

Colossians 1:17 is saying that Jesus is the atomic glue that holds everything together.

v.15 teaching us that He has preeminence over all creation.

Pre-eminence, not pre-existence.

 

[justbyfaith]

Luke 1:15 KJV
[15] For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.
This has always been fascinating to me, the Lord views Him and He is Lord.

Luke 1:15 is speaking of John the Baptist.

 

[justbyfaith]

Pre-eminence, not pre-existence.

From my perspective Jesus is the Father (Isaiah 9:6); so yes He pre-existed.

 

[justbyfaith]

Jesus is the atomic glue that holds everything together...now that's power!

 

[Waiting on him]

Luke 1:15 is speaking of John the Baptist.

My bad, posted the wrong scripture.

 

[justbyfaith]

My question would be does he call Him Lord?

It would not preclude that Jesus knows him if he did (Matthew 7:21-23).

 

[DNB]

From my perspective Jesus is the Father (Isaiah 9:6); so yes He pre-existed.

An untenable and implausible position.

 

[Waiting on him]

Luke 2:26 KJV
[26] And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen the Lord's Christ.

 

[justbyfaith]

An untenable and implausible position.

Very tenable, very plausible, very scriptural.

See, specifically, posts #1-#6 in the following thread:

True Trinity.

 

[Waiting on him]

I believe what needs to be received is He came in the likeness of sinful flesh


Romans 8:3 KJV
[3] For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

I believe when He was tempted in the wilderness it was that part of Satan in us all that nags and tempts us all as the word states He was tempted just as we are, difference being He was able to overcome due to the immeasurable filling of the Holy Ghost.

I personally believe the one tempting was the sinful flesh.

hope this helps Zeus.

 

[Waiting on him]

Think about it Zeus if He was tempted as us, have you ever had Satan standing literally before you?

 

[Waiting on him]

You all need to stop your silly arguments and see, if any of you had the power that The Christ has you’d beat your own shadows to the highest pinnacle to cast your selves down to be bared up so you could get all the Glory

 

[Waiting on him]

I mean come on look at what the temptations were His belly, money and the praise of men, there was no creature standing before him, only him standing there alone faced with the same we all are.


THE FILTHY FLESH!

 

[justbyfaith]

You all need to stop your silly arguments and see, if any of you had the power that The Christ has you’d beat your own shadows to the highest pinnacle to cast your selves down to be bared up so you could get all the Glory

Actually, that would be the temptation.

 

[justbyfaith]

I believe what needs to be received is He came in the likeness of sinful flesh

Of course this means that He did not come in sinful flesh but in the likeness of it....His flesh was actually sinless...

 

[FollowHim]

You're doing it again. This is a thread on the ridiculous notion of the alleged deity of Christ, the god-man. What you are expressing lately has nothing to do with the subject at hand. Jesus was a creature, and still is.

There is a reality, that scripture is a few words, impressions into which we project our interpretations.
As soon as one uses words like "ridiculous notion" you raise yourself up to the definer of truth rather than the discoverer of truth.
And so much of what we accept as truth is emotional, subjective and based on our emotional history and bias.

It is why Jesus said this profound thing. "Blessed are the pure in heart, they will see God"
When God came and touched us through Jesus, He exalted us up to be His companions and friends.

That is something very profound. And it is the whole point of Jesus being God, the Messiah, the embodiment of the Father on earth.
And it is your perspective with its certainty and dismissiveness which reveals why you cannot see another perspective.

Scripture is a fantastic book, we see what we are looking for. Our faith or view is only shattered if a different perspective cannot be opposed.
One believer was so biased, he would deny the very words he wrote if they showed a different perspective or a contradiction in his logic.
There was no winning or showing something else, because he was not allowed to see this other perspective because emotionally it would have cost him too much. It is why to see Jesus we have to be prepared to die to the world and everything we know to find eternity and life with Him.

And I testify this is how it feels, but it is just us giving up our security in the world and resting on our security in Jesus.
God bless you