ANALYSIS OF MATTHEW 24:12-13 - WHY IT DISPROVES OSAS

[mjrhealth]

I really dont know how to respond to you, i have yet to see you put two words together that speak of faith, all you speak of is unbelief, how it is seemingly impossible for God to save you or mankind. So please PM explain to us, if God or Jesus cant save you, than who can, do you have a better plan than God, i am sure we would all love to hear about it including Him.

1Pe_1:5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time

1Co_2:5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

1Co_1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

Se what happens when you try work it out yourself. Given up so much and i dont know what for. God has so much to offer you, dont you desire what He has to give??

 

[Phoneman777]

I really dont know how to respond to you, i have yet to see you put two words together that speak of faith, all you speak of is unbelief, how it is seemingly impossible for God to save you or mankind. So please PM explain to us, if God or Jesus cant save you, than who can, do you have a better plan than God, i am sure we would all love to hear about it including Him.

1Pe_1:5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time

1Co_2:5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

1Co_1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

Se what happens when you try work it out yourself. Given up so much and i dont know what for. God has so much to offer you, dont you desire what He has to give??

The reason why OSAS is so appealing to you liberals inside the church is the exact same reason why liberal social programs are so appealing to liberals outside the church: it allows both you and they to escape personal accountability and responsibility for one's own actions. We've spent over a trillion bucks on these give-away programs since the dawn of "The Great Society" and the more tax payer dollars that are thrown into these programs, the worse the problems that these programs are intended to solve get.

Salvation is a relationship which involves the love of the SAVIOR for us and our love for Him for being willing to save US, where we are personally responsible to surrender our will to His will day by day, moment by moment. Grace covers our mistakes as we grow in grace, but you OSAS want grace to cover the lack of growth that bad choices produce just as the welfare recipient wants the social programs to do the same. Does this offend you? It will only offend those who wish for Jesus and Satan to have joint custody of them, bro.

 

[mjrhealth]

The reason why OSAS is so appealing to you liberals inside the church is the exact same reason why liberal social programs are so appealing to liberals outside the church: it allows both you and they to escape personal accountability and responsibility for one's own actions. We've spent over a trillion bucks on these give-away programs since the dawn of "The Great Society" and the more tax payer dollars that are thrown into these programs, the worse the problems that these programs are intended to solve get.

No one ever said it took away accountabiltiy, you did read my post on Justification did you not. Not even ATP says it doesnt take away accountabilty, but it seems a push by the few to justfy keeping the law.

Salvation is a relationship which involves the love of the SAVIOR for us and our love for Him for being willing to save US, where we are personally responsible to surrender our will to His will day by day, moment by moment. Grace covers our mistakes as we grow in grace,

Exactly

but you OSAS want grace to cover the lack of growth that bad choices produce just as the welfare recipient wants the social programs to do the same.

Again you and a few others are pushing this not us.

Does this offend you? It will only offend those who wish for Jesus and Satan to have joint custody of them, bro.

Why should it.

I have stood with Christ, I have being before God, i have being pronounced " not Guilty" by God Himself.I have being persued by the devil, had the spirit of death sent to kill me, lost my family, spent years alone for His sake. Very little offend me anymore. Least of all christians who dont believe God.

And God Himself gave me this.

Joh_3:33 He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true.

As i keep repeating God has so much to offer you.... You cant do it yourself.

 

[Phoneman777]

No one ever said it took away accountabiltiy, you did read my post on Justification did you not. Not even ATP says it doesnt take away accountabilty, but it seems a push by the few to justfy keeping the law.

I've constantly deny salvation by works - the most compelling argument perhaps being that Jesus refers to the practice of perfect obedience as "unprofitable". How much less "unprofitable" is the imperfect obedience of you and I? Works are necessary not to profit us with salvation, but for proof we are being saved.

"Hereby we do know that we know Him if we keep His commandments. He that saith, I know Him, and keepeth not His commandments is a liar and the truth is not in him." 1 John 2:3,4 KJV


OSAS most certainly eliminates personal responsibility to remain surrendered to the will of God. Although Jesus taught that branches grafted into Him (saints) have before them the choice to either abide in Him or whither on the ground and die, OSAS eliminates both our personal responsibility to choose and the fact that we have a choice to make altogether by claiming the choice is made for you. Massive contradiction.

 

[mjrhealth]

OSAS most certainly eliminates personal responsibility to remain surrendered to the will of God.

Never has never will, its called FAITH, believeing God, i would still love to hear of your better way than Gods if you have one.

 

[Phoneman777]

Never has never will, its called FAITH, believeing God, i would still love to hear of your better way than Gods if you have one.

If it's not possible for a believing branch to choose to cease from abiding in the Vine - as OSAS teaches - then why did Jesus point to the dead branch on the ground and warn us of what happens if we fail to remain abiding in Him?

God's bark is not worse than His bite and His mercy does not cripple His justice:

"And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed, The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth, Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty..." Exodus 34:6-7 KJV

 

[Jun2u]

The reason why OSAS is so appealing to you liberals inside the church is the exact same reason why liberal social programs are so appealing to liberals outside the church: it allows both you and they to escape personal accountability and responsibility for one's own actions. We've spent over a trillion bucks on these give-away programs since the dawn of "The Great Society" and the more tax payer dollars that are thrown into these programs, the worse the problems that these programs are intended to solve get.

Salvation is a relationship which involves the love of the SAVIOR for us and our love for Him for being willing to save US, where we are personally responsible to surrender our will to His will day by day, moment by moment. Grace covers our mistakes as we grow in grace, but you OSAS want grace to cover the lack of growth that bad choices produce just as the welfare recipient wants the social programs to do the same. Does this offend you? It will only offend those who wish for Jesus and Satan to have joint custody of them, bro.

If you have not read Post #598 above, please read it. You might get a different view of what OSAS really means.

 

[StanJ]

CAN WE REALLY LOSE OUR SALVATION IF WE HAVE BECOME SAVED?
It depends on what we call salvation. If it means I have accepted Jesus and have invited Him into my heart, and and now I'm saved, well I can lose that kind of salvation because that is something that I did and that does not mean I have become born again. Jesus told Nicodemus in John 3, except a man be born again he cannot see the kingdom of God. To be born again is a tremendous miracle that God performs in our heart and He doesn't do it because we tell Him to do it. He does it in His mercy like the publican of Luke 18 who can only plead for that and to have pity on him to trust in the Lord Jesus

That is exactly what it means and Paul verifies it in Romans 10:9-1. We are saved when we confess Jesus as our savior.
IF we endure, we receive eternal life, just as Paul also taught in 2 Timothy 2:12

It's very simple. The Bible says that if we do our part God will do his part. He provided the means for salvation and all we have to do is accept it.
God made the first move we have to make the second.

 

[mjrhealth]

I think PM this is the bit you need to get your head around

Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Rom 6:8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
Rom 6:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
Rom 6:10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
Rom 6:11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Joh 16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
Joh 16:9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;

See Pm its all about unbelief.

 

[Phoneman777]

If you have not read Post #598 above, please read it. You might get a different view of what OSAS really means.

I have read your post and it occurred to me that the question "What sin can put me in danger of God's judgment" reveals what is at the heart of the problem with OSAS: it focuses on human weakness rather than Christ's strength. Cain was the first to institute idolatrous man-centered religion and today the father of the modern Megachurch movement, televangelist and 33° Freemason, occultist, Roman Catholic sympathizer and (dare I say it?) Luciferian Robert Shuller says, "Classical theology has erred in its insistence that theology be God-centered, and not man-centered."

The real question is, "If I'm truly "born-again" in Christ and "more than a conqueror" of sin, then why am sitting here in front of this porn site?" I'm no prophet accusing you of idolatry, but I'm willing to bet your answer will likely have the same focus: "We can't overcome sin..Nobody can keep the law....We'll be sinning till we die,etc." There is simply no excuse for any born again believer to indulge sin, so why argue for the "golden parachute" of OSAS, if not for its adherents to excuse in themselves the sin which they perceive as both insurmountable, yet at the same time irresistible?

Besides, OSAS ignores the multitude of verses demonstrating the ability for a born again person to be lost: the Unmerciful Servant, Jesus' command to us to abide in the Vine, lest we become dead branches, the "partakers of the Holy Ghost" who fall away in Hebrews 6, etc.

 

[Jun2u]

That is exactly what it means and Paul verifies it in Romans 10:9-1. We are saved when we confess Jesus as our savior.

To believe and confess Jesus means we are to have the same mind like Jesus and most of all be born again. Can you make yourself be born again? Besides, you are NOT facing Romans 3 that states there are none that seeks after God, no not one. To believe and confess is the RESULT of salvation and NEVER the CAUSE!

If we endure, we receive eternal life, just as Paul also taught in 2 Timothy 2:12

It is Jesus who endures and since we are in Jesus, we endure.

It's very simple. The Bible says that if we do our part God will do his part. He provided the means for salvation and all we have to do is accept it.
God made the first move we have to make the second.

It is not as simple as you say. Scripture teaches that God elected, named, and called those whom He had planned to save before the foundation of the world, and this has nothing to do with foreknowledge as everyone thinks.

Now show me the citation where God made the first move and we have to make the second move!

To God Be The Glory

 

[StanJ]

To believe and confess Jesus means we are to have the same mind like Jesus and most of all be born again. Can you make yourself be born again? Besides, you are NOT facing Romans 3 that states there are none that seeks after God, no not one. To believe and confess is the RESULT of salvation and NEVER the CAUSE!

Nobody can have the mind of Christ iF they are not saved, and that's not what Paul said. I don't need to argue for Paul what he clearly said, if you don't believe it that's between you and God. It's not about me making myself born again it's about me confessing Jesus Christ as my savior so I will be born again. One cannot be born again if one does not confess who Jesus is. As far as Romans 3 is concerned, Paul was talking about righteousness and the Jews and the Gentiles and he was quoting from the Old Testament. Obviously you don't understand this and just want to cherry-pick a few words to try to support your point of view, which it doesn't.

It is Jesus who endures and since we are in Jesus, we endure.

That is not what Paul said and he didn't qualify It the way you're trying to assert, so basically what is obvious is that you don't understand the scripture and eisegete it to suit your own purposes. Paul said "if WE endure". There is no question whatsoever that Jesus will fulfill his responsibilities under the New Covenant and Paul is not questioning whether or not Jesus will endure, he's questioning whether or not WE will endure. Try reading the Bible for what it actually says and not through you're dogmatically colored glasses.

It is not as simple as you say. Scripture teaches that God elected, named, and called those whom He had planned to save before the foundation of the world, and this has nothing to do with foreknowledge as everyone thinks.

It is very simple as all truth is. Scripture does not teach that got all that names and calls anybody. It teaches that the elect are those who are saved. Not surprisingly you also don't understand what Paul wrote in Romans 8;
For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.

Now show me the citation where God made the first move and we have to make the second move!

Col 1:20 and 2 Cor 5:18, but you actually have to be able to understand scripture in order to see this, which I sadly feel you won't.

 

[Wormwood]

To believe and confess Jesus means we are to have the same mind like Jesus and most of all be born again. Can you make yourself be born again? Besides, you are NOT facing Romans 3 that states there are none that seeks after God, no not one. To believe and confess is the RESULT of salvation and NEVER the CAUSE!

Jun2u,

I know you were writing to Stan, but allow me to interject. Where do you get this "same mind" concept? Are you referring to 1 Cor. 2? When Paul writes, "but we have the mind of Christ" he is referring to the Apostles, not all Christians. The point he is making there is that the Apostles and prophets have been given revelation from God and they are sharing that spiritual revelation. He goes on to say in chapter 3 that the Corinthians didnt understand it and were arguing about it because they were "carnal" (they did not have the mind of Christ which is why they were fighting and dividing).

It is true that none seek after God. Yet God came to seek and save the lost. We have a choice to respond to his call or not. Just because we do not seek him does not mean that God must save us unilaterally as an act of pan-determinism.

God's election is based on "foreknowledge" (he sees the future and knows who will believe) and not a predetermined plan to save some and torture others for eternity

 

[mjrhealth]

reveals what is at the heart of the problem with OSAS: it focuses on human weakness rather than Christ's strength

Really, it is because they believe God, so it ceratinly is not there weakness but Gods strength in which they believe.

This bit

1Co 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

Or as the bible put it

2Co 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

See it is because we know we canot save ourselves, only Jesus can. So we believe in God to do as He said.

As i asked before, show me one who believes in God, not to many around is there.

 

[justaname]

Jun2u,

I know you were writing to Stan, but allow me to interject. Where do you get this "same mind" concept? Are you referring to 1 Cor. 2? When Paul writes, "but we have the mind of Christ" he is referring to the Apostles, not all Christians. The point he is making there is that the Apostles and prophets have been given revelation from God and they are sharing that spiritual revelation. He goes on to say in chapter 3 that the Corinthians didnt understand it and were arguing about it because they were "carnal" (they did not have the mind of Christ which is why they were fighting and dividing).

It is true that none seek after God. Yet God came to seek and save the lost. We have a choice to respond to his call or not. Just because we do not seek him does not mean that God must save us unilaterally as an act of pan-determinism.

God's election is based on "foreknowledge" (he sees the future and knows who will believe) and not a predetermined plan to save some and torture others for eternity

In truth your closing statement applies to your position also. Only some are saved, yet God created the creature with the foreknowledge of the fall.

Also a view of monergistic salvation does not necessarily result in double predestination or pandeterminism as you suggest when man is unwilling to come to God. Man is culpable for his actions; God is merciful in those who are saved from their rebellion.


Paul mentions the root cause of the Thessalonians’ election as he calls them those who are loved by God (cf. 2 Thess. 2:13; Rom. 1:7; Jude 1). Frequently, biblical authors affirm that God chose his people Israel, and now the church, because of his own love for them (cf. Deut. 4:37; 7:7–8; 10:15; Pss. 47:4; 78:68; Isa. 42:1; Matt. 12:18; Rom. 11:28; Eph. 1:4; Col. 3:12). In other words, God’s election is not based on human merits or virtue (2 Tim. 1:9), but instead his decision and initiative are rooted solely in his love. In the Greek world the election or recruitment of political and military leaders had to do with the merits and the character of the persons chosen. But in God’s community, nothing less than the love of God is the cause of election, regardless of the positive or negative character or achievements of a person (Rom. 5:7–8). This much is assumed and not debated, as is often the case today. The purpose of the declaration is to provide assurance and comfort and not to fuel theological controversy, however important such discussions might be.
Green, G. L. (2002). The letters to the Thessalonians (p. 92). Grand Rapids, MI; Leicester, England: W.B. Eerdmans Pub.; Apollos.

The above is in reference to 1 Thessalonians 1:4

 

[Jun2u]

Jun2u,

I know you were writing to Stan, but allow me to interject. Where do you get this "same mind" concept? Are you referring to 1 Cor. 2? When Paul writes, "but we have the mind of Christ" he is referring to the Apostles, not all Christians. The point he is making there is that the Apostles and prophets have been given revelation from God and they are sharing that spiritual revelation. He goes on to say in chapter 3 that the Corinthians didnt understand it and were arguing about it because they were "carnal" (they did not have the mind of Christ which is why they were fighting and dividing).

I beg to differ. The word apostle MEAN “sent” and the word prophet “to prophesy”. Every true child of God in a sense is an apostle and a prophet “sent” out and “prophesy” the word God. We don't associate the words apostle and prophet to a child of God because the word Apostle is normally designated to the twelve, and of course, a prophet is one who declares the word of God which we are. For example, we can see this in the prophecy of Joel 2 and bear fruit in Acts 2:16-17.

It is true that none seek after God. Yet God came to seek and save the lost. We have a choice to respond to his call or not. Just because we do not seek him does not mean that God must save us unilaterally as an act of pan-determinism.

If you agreed that there is none that seek after God then why insist that we have a choice to respond to the call? When Jesus sent out the twelve He told them to go only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. These lost sheep of the house of Israel is only a figure of speech to indicate that God must bring home those whom He saved before the foundation of the world and who lived at different times in the history of the world. The last sentence of the quote above is exactly what God meant (see Eze 36:24-29). These passages is teaching that God alone is the prime mover of salvation NOT both God and mankind.

God's election is based on "foreknowledge" (he sees the future and knows who will believe) and not a predetermined plan to save some and torture others for eternity

I don't really understand someone as intelligent as you who agree there are none that seek after God and in the next instance say election is based on “foreknowledge” because God sees the future and know who will believe. Are you serious? Don't you understand as He looks into the future He will see that there are none that seek after Him? If no one will seek after Him then who will?

God does not use language as torture or punish the unsaved for eternity. The unsaved must give account for his sins! The unsaved will NOT suffer eternal punishment as many believe. Even in death God is so loving and merciful. That's right, the unsaved will completely be annihilated and cease to live physically or spiritually because the wages of sin IS death.

To God Be The Glory

 

[StanJ]

I beg to differ. The word apostle MEAN “sent” and the word prophet “to prophesy”. Every true child of God in a sense is an apostle and a prophet “sent” out and “prophesy” the word God. We don't associate the words apostle and prophet to a child of God because the word Apostle is normally designated to the twelve, and of course, a prophet is one who declares the word of God which we are. For example, we can see this in the prophecy of Joel 2 and bear fruit in Acts 2:16-17.

The Greek used for 'apostle' is ἀπόστολος (apostolos), and properly connotes; one sent as a messenger or agent, the bearer of a commission, messenger
For 'prophet', the Greek used is προφήτης (prophētēs), and properly connotes; a divinely commissioned and inspired person
Ephesians 4:11 says that Jesus gave these offices to the church. Now personally, I don't believe in Apostolic Succession, but I do believe that God has appointed all of these offices up to the present day. Your lack of acceptance does not negate their fact.

I'll leave it up to Wormwood to deal with the rest of your response.

 

[Jun2u]

The Greek used for 'apostle' is ἀπόστολος (apostolos), and properly connotes; one sent as a messenger or agent, the bearer of a commission, messenger
For 'prophet', the Greek used is προφήτης (prophētēs), and properly connotes; a divinely commissioned and inspired person
Ephesians 4:11 says that Jesus gave these offices to the church. Now personally, I don't believe in Apostolic Succession, but I do believe that God has appointed all of these offices up to the present day. Your lack of acceptance does not negate their fact.

I'll leave it up to Wormwood to deal with the rest of your response.

I don't understand Hebrew or Greek you are correct. The only time I will search out the meaning of a word in Hebrew or Greek is when I have to prove a point and that happens rarely because they are all greek to me (pardon the pun). I don't really have to go to the Hebrew or Greek if I understand what the scripture text is really teaching.

Ephesians 4:11 is a true statement. The problem is that the Apostles and Prophets of old are all gone. Who then can fulfill their offices if these offices is still ongoing to the present day, and who will be commissioned to go into all the world and proclaim the Gospel as we read in Matthew 28:19-20? The true believers, of course!

I know you will not see or understand (because it is spiritually discerned) that the true believers have been given the “power” and commissioned to proclaim the true Gospel into all the world. Acts 1:8 declares:

But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

We see the above text come to fruition as Peter stands up and gives a sermon and 3000 souls are saved as the Holy Spirit gave understanding to the heares, in their own language, to those who heard the true Gospel.

GOD HAD BEGUN TO EVANGELIZE THE WORLD!

I believe I have proven that one does not really need to know Hebrew or Greek (it helps) as long as he understand what the text is conveying, and as long as he compare scripture with scripture and spiritual things with spiritual.

To God Be The Glory

 

[StanJ]

I don't understand Hebrew or Greek you are correct. The only time I will search out the meaning of a word in Hebrew or Greek is when I have to prove a point and that happens rarely because they are all greek to me (pardon the pun). I don't really have to go to the Hebrew or Greek if I understand what the scripture text is really teaching.

Then why misrepresent what it says? You would have been better off just to accept what the English said instead of trying to reword it by referring to the Greek.

Ephesians 4:11 is a true statement. The problem is that the Apostles and Prophets of old are all gone. Who then can fulfill their offices if these offices is still ongoing to the present day, and who will be commissioned to go into all the world and proclaim the Gospel as we read in Matthew 28:19-20? The true believers, of course!

We are all called to gossip the gospel. That's not the same thing as being commissioned to go out into all the world. Some people are called to be missionaries some people are called just to live a normal life work and witness for Christ. It's all individual. Just as not all are called to be a pastor not all are called to be a missionary or to be an evangelist but it is important that people learn to know what God wants them to do. Paul says in whatever you were doing when you were saved to continue doing it. What exactly does that tell you?

I know you will not see or understand (because it is spiritually discerned) that the true believers have been given the “power” and commissioned to proclaim the true Gospel into all the world. Acts 1:8 declares:
But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
We see the above text come to fruition as Peter stands up and gives a sermon and 3000 souls are saved as the Holy Spirit gave understanding to the heares, in their own language, to those who heard the true Gospel.

So when exactly did you receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues?

I believe I have proven that one does not really need to know Hebrew or Greek (it helps) as long as he understand what the text is conveying, and as long as he compare scripture with scripture and spiritual things with spiritual.

Well you have proven that you don't know Greek, and that what you think you know is wrong so that's one thing, but you definitely haven't shown that you can rightly divide or exegete the word of God without it.

 

[Phoneman777]

I don't understand Hebrew or Greek you are correct. The only time I will search out the meaning of a word in Hebrew or Greek is when I have to prove a point and that happens rarely because they are all greek to me (pardon the pun). I don't really have to go to the Hebrew or Greek if I understand what the scripture text is really teaching.

Ephesians 4:11 is a true statement. The problem is that the Apostles and Prophets of old are all gone. Who then can fulfill their offices if these offices is still ongoing to the present day, and who will be commissioned to go into all the world and proclaim the Gospel as we read in Matthew 28:19-20? The true believers, of course!

I know you will not see or understand (because it is spiritually discerned) that the true believers have been given the “power” and commissioned to proclaim the true Gospel into all the world. Acts 1:8 declares:

But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

We see the above text come to fruition as Peter stands up and gives a sermon and 3000 souls are saved as the Holy Spirit gave understanding to the heares, in their own language, to those who heard the true Gospel.

GOD HAD BEGUN TO EVANGELIZE THE WORLD!

I believe I have proven that one does not really need to know Hebrew or Greek (it helps) as long as he understand what the text is conveying, and as long as he compare scripture with scripture and spiritual things with spiritual.

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