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theefaith

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Yet that criminal on the cross who put his faith in Christ entered Heaven. And so have countless Christians who never went to a fantasyland called "Purgatory".

does not apply
The new covenant does not start until Christ dies Heb 9:26-17
 

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i did

the church is the pillar and ground of truth 1 Tim 3:15


Truth must be revealed by God, and taught by the church, proposed for our belief, we must be instructed!
Matt 28:19 Lk 1:4 Acts 8:31 Lk 10:16 Jn 21:17 Jn 16:13 acts 2:42
And notice it says nothing about the church being the authority. Nothing.
 

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Because it's a public forum and I'll talk to whoever I want?
I know church history and I've been doing my best to forget it. But hey, if you like to waste your time, knock yourself out.
You got a few posters all mixed up Truman.
But you should still be nice.
Like a Christian should be.
 

theefaith

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And notice it says nothing about the church being the authority. Nothing.

Only the the church is the source of truth!
Christ is the truth! Jn 14:6

Christ and his church are one! Acts 9:4 Jn 15:1-5 eph 5:32

The rule of faith for Christians is Jesus Christ Jn 14:6 and His church! Matt 18:17 acts 2:42 1 Tim 3:15

Truth is revealed by God thru Christ to His church (the apostles) Jude 1:3 then proposed by the church! Matt 28:19


1 Corinthians 16:22
If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema

Extends to the truth and the church

Cos Christ is the truth and His church teaches the truth without error! Jn 14:6 matt 28:19 matt 18:17 1 Tim 3:15 Jn 29:21-23 Jn 16:13


Acts 9:4 only the blinding light of Christ can cure spiritual blindness!
 

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So before Pope Francis, even if the divorced person got an annulment, and remarried they could not receive Communion?
see this is the part gets me, honestly its not man call who can or can not. we are instructed to examine our self.. i have big issues with the pope rulings when i see people want to kiss his ring, call him holy father . i will not agree with that
 

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Only the the church is the source of truth!
Christ is the truth! Jn 14:6

Christ and his church are one! Acts 9:4 Jn 15:1-5 eph 5:32

The rule of faith for Christians is Jesus Christ Jn 14:6 and His church! Matt 18:17 acts 2:42 1 Tim 3:15

Truth is revealed by God thru Christ to His church (the apostles) Jude 1:3 then proposed by the church! Matt 28:19


1 Corinthians 16:22
If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema

Extends to the truth and the church

Cos Christ is the truth and His church teaches the truth without error! Jn 14:6 matt 28:19 matt 18:17 1 Tim 3:15 Jn 29:21-23 Jn 16:13


Acts 9:4 only the blinding light of Christ can cure spiritual blindness!
More heretical twisting by antichrist.
 

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Faith is the bridge to the reality of God. You should try it sometime.


That is an un-Biblical definition of faith.
Faith is a free gift of God to His people.
You should try it sometime.
 

theefaith

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More heretical twisting by antichrist.

A fundamentalist is ruled by spiritual pride, self-righteous private judgement from scripture, or the humility to hear the teaching of Christ through the church of His apostles?
Obedience of faith: rom 16:26
We must be taught by Christ who is the way, the truth, and the life. Jn 14:6
Instructed: Lk 1:4 acts 8:31
Teach all nations: Matt 28:19
He who hears you (the apostles) hears me: lk 10:16
Hear the church: Matt 18:17
Church is the pillar and ground of truth: 1 Tim 3:14
Christ and his church are one, the church is an extension of Christ through the whole world and all time: acts 9:4

Not scripture plus private judgement

Virtues are not natural, but supernatural helps from God!

The virtues are exercised to the highest degree in Mary most holy and to perfection in Jesus Christ!

The doctrine of demons are filled with the vices of the demons!

Humility and obedience are the virtues most forgotten and ignored, many who claim the name of Christ are not practicing His virtues

The evidence of true faith is humble subjection and obedience to Christ & His holy church!

The rule of faith for Christians is Jesus Christ Jn 14:6 and His church! Matt 18:17 acts 2:42 1 Tim 3:15

Truth is revealed by God thru Christ to His church (the apostles) Jude 1:3 then proposed by the church! Matt 28:19

Christ and His church are one!

Rejection of the one true church or its teaching is rejection of Christ and God!

Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4 eph 5:32 Jn 8:12 & Matt 5:14
 

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A fundamentalist is ruled by spiritual pride, self-righteous private judgement from scripture, or the humility to hear the teaching of Christ through the church of His apostles?
Obedience of faith: rom 16:26
We must be taught by Christ who is the way, the truth, and the life. Jn 14:6
Instructed: Lk 1:4 acts 8:31
Teach all nations: Matt 28:19
He who hears you (the apostles) hears me: lk 10:16
Hear the church: Matt 18:17
Church is the pillar and ground of truth: 1 Tim 3:14
Christ and his church are one, the church is an extension of Christ through the whole world and all time: acts 9:4

Not scripture plus private judgement

Virtues are not natural, but supernatural helps from God!

The virtues are exercised to the highest degree in Mary most holy and to perfection in Jesus Christ!

The doctrine of demons are filled with the vices of the demons!

Humility and obedience are the virtues most forgotten and ignored, many who claim the name of Christ are not practicing His virtues

The evidence of true faith is humble subjection and obedience to Christ & His holy church!

The rule of faith for Christians is Jesus Christ Jn 14:6 and His church! Matt 18:17 acts 2:42 1 Tim 3:15

Truth is revealed by God thru Christ to His church (the apostles) Jude 1:3 then proposed by the church! Matt 28:19

Christ and His church are one!

Rejection of the one true church or its teaching is rejection of Christ and God!

Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4 eph 5:32 Jn 8:12 & Matt 5:14
Heretical teachings by a heretical church. Some truth sprinkled with gross heresy. I am so glad we are free from the antichrist of the Roman Catholic Church. If you want salvation, get as far away from the Catholic church as you can. It holds the gates of Hell, not Heaven.
 

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Heretical teachings by a heretical church. Some truth sprinkled with gross heresy. I am so glad we are free from the antichrist of the Roman Catholic Church. If you want salvation, get as far away from the Catholic church as you can. It holds the gates of Hell, not Heaven.
The CC is not the anti-Christ.
The anti-Christ is against Christ.

The CC, for your information, was the first and original church that we can date back to the time of Jesus.
You don't have to like all of its doctrines, but if you think it's heretical, you'll have to list why.

And you're reformed?
What could be more heretical than changing the nature of God?
Do you believe God is happy to be portrayed as an uncaring being when His Son died for us?
Out of LOVE.
 

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A fundamentalist is ruled by spiritual pride, self-righteous private judgement from scripture, or the humility to hear the teaching of Christ through the church of His apostles?
Obedience of faith: rom 16:26
We must be taught by Christ who is the way, the truth, and the life. Jn 14:6
Instructed: Lk 1:4 acts 8:31
Teach all nations: Matt 28:19
He who hears you (the apostles) hears me: lk 10:16
Hear the church: Matt 18:17
Church is the pillar and ground of truth: 1 Tim 3:14
Christ and his church are one, the church is an extension of Christ through the whole world and all time: acts 9:4

Not scripture plus private judgement

Virtues are not natural, but supernatural helps from God!

The virtues are exercised to the highest degree in Mary most holy and to perfection in Jesus Christ!

The doctrine of demons are filled with the vices of the demons!

Humility and obedience are the virtues most forgotten and ignored, many who claim the name of Christ are not practicing His virtues

The evidence of true faith is humble subjection and obedience to Christ & His holy church!

The rule of faith for Christians is Jesus Christ Jn 14:6 and His church! Matt 18:17 acts 2:42 1 Tim 3:15

Truth is revealed by God thru Christ to His church (the apostles) Jude 1:3 then proposed by the church! Matt 28:19

Christ and His church are one!

Rejection of the one true church or its teaching is rejection of Christ and God!

Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4 eph 5:32 Jn 8:12 & Matt 5:14
Rejection of the CC is NOT rejection of Christ.
Ramblings such as this cause many to dislike the CC.
 

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The CC is not the anti-Christ.
The anti-Christ is against Christ.

The CC, for your information, was the first and original church that we can date back to the time of Jesus.
You don't have to like all of its doctrines, but if you think it's heretical, you'll have to list why.

And you're reformed?
What could be more heretical than changing the nature of God?
Do you believe God is happy to be portrayed as an uncaring being when His Son died for us?
Out of LOVE.
I did not say they were THE anti-christ, but they are antichrist. No they were not the first and original church that is a lie. They teach a different salvation by works, that is heretical. They teach purgatory, that is heretical. The pope says Muslims will probably go to heaven, he is a heretic and the statement is heretical.

The reformed do not portray God as uncaring. Nice strawman argument.
 

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Heretical teachings by a heretical church. Some truth sprinkled with gross heresy. I am so glad we are free from the antichrist of the Roman Catholic Church. If you want salvation, get as far away from the Catholic church as you can. It holds the gates of Hell, not Heaven.

On the contrary it’s the only ark of salvation according to the Bible


The Ark of Salvation!

The church is founded by Christ and the sacraments are instituted by Christ for the salvation of all men!

The church and Jesus are one: acts 9:4 Jn 15:1-5 eph 5:32

The church and the sacraments are necessary for and the means of salvation and the life of grace!

Redemption: Eph 2
Justification: Mk 16:16 Jn 3:5 Acts 2:38
Sanctification: Jn 1:16 Jn 10:10 Jn 15:5
Salvation: Matt 24:13 Rom 13:11

The body of Christ:
1 Corinthians 12:27

The one true church:
Matt 16:18 Jn 10:16

The household of faith:
Gal 6:10

The house of God:
1 Tim 3:15

The church of the living God:
1 Tim 3:15

The kingdom of God on earth:
Dan 2:44 Matt 6:33 Matt 16:18 Matt 12:28 Mk 1:15 Jn 3:3-5 Acts 8:12 1 Cor 4:20 Col 4:11 1 Thes 2:12 Rev 1:9 12:10

The new and eternal covenant:
The one fold of Christ:

The new covenant body of Christ church is an ark, the ark of Peter, the ark of Noah was a type, all those outside the ark died, and all those outside the church die spiritually, there is no life outside of Noah’s ark and there is no spiritual life or salvation outside of the church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles!

1 Pet 3:20
Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
(Outside the ark all died and outside the church there is no salvation!)

God breathed life into Adam, gen 2:7 and we received this life from our fathers!

Christ breathed on the apostles our spiritual fathers, we receive the new covenant life of God’s grace from them thru faith & baptism! Jn 20:21-23 Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38

Christian ritual of baptism:
Immersion, sprinkling, pour pure water over the forehead three time with the words, I baptize thee in the name of the father, and of the son, and of the Holy Spirit! Ez 36:25-27 Mk 16:16 Matt 28:19 Acts 2:38-39 Acts 8:36-38 Acts 22:16
1 Pet 3:21

Proper intention: to make a new creature in Christ, to put on Christ, initiation into the new covenant of grace
Matter: pure water
Form: the words

Born again! Born from above!

'The Father has set his seal' on Christ (John 6:27) and also seals us in him (cf. 2 Corinthians 1:22; Ephesians 1:23, 4:30). Because this seal indicates the indelible effect of the anointing with the Holy Spirit in the sacrament of Baptism,

Baptism indeed is the seal of eternal life." 87 The faithful Christian who has "kept the seal" until the end, remaining faithful to the demands of his Baptism, will be able to depart this life "marked with the sign of faith," 88 with his baptismal faith, in expectation of the blessed vision of God - the consummation of faith - and in the hope of resurrection.

St. Paul tells the faithful at Ephesus that they have been “sealed with the promised Holy Spirit.” This is in terms of an indelible character imprinted on the soul in the sacraments of baptism and confirmation. It is not as if this invisible mark is simply decorative. Rather, through it, we are enabled to participate in Christ’s mission and in his offices of priest, prophet, and king. Eph 1:13

Sealed by God eph 1:13 sealed by God (ez 36:25-27) in the ark of salvation by baptism just as Noah was sealed by God in the ark of the flood gen 7:16

1 Pet 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
(Outside the ark of Noah none were saved, outside the church (the ark of salvation) none are saved!)


Sealed in the ark, sealed in the church the ark of salvation by baptism!

Ez 36:25 I (God) shall sprinkle you with pure water, and you shall be white as snow!
 

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Rejection of the CC is NOT rejection of Christ.
Ramblings such as this cause many to dislike the CC.
The why did Christ “why does Thou persecute me??? When Saul was persecuting the Catholic Church
 

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The why did Christ “why does Thou persecute me??? When Saul was persecuting the Catholic Church
The Catholic church did not come into existence until the 4th century. So Paul was persecuting the Hebrew Church, in which the majority were converted Jews. Believing Israel is called "the good olive tree" and Gentiles had not as yet been grafter into this tree. The Church at Jerusalem was the church where Peter ministered.

"For the first 280 years of Christian history, Christianity was banned by the Roman Empire, and Christians were terribly persecuted. This changed after the “conversion” of the Roman Emperor Constantine. Constantine provided religious toleration with the Edict of Milan in AD 313, effectively lifting the ban on Christianity. Later, in AD 325, Constantine called the Council of Nicea in an attempt to unify Christianity. Constantine envisioned Christianity as a religion that could unite the Roman Empire, which at that time was beginning to fragment and divide. While this may have seemed to be a positive development for the Christian church, the results were anything but positive. Just as Constantine refused to fully embrace the Christian faith but continued many of his pagan beliefs and practices, so the Christian church that Constantine and his successors promoted progressively became a mixture of true Christianity and Roman paganism."
GotQuestions.org

Did Paganism enter into the Catholic church? Absolutely. There are many reliable historical sources to confirm this. See History of the Christian Church by Philip Schaff. Did the Catholic church ever clean house? Never. So Peter and Paul would have been the first ones to denounce Catholicism.
 

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I did not say they were THE anti-christ, but they are antichrist. No they were not the first and original church that is a lie. They teach a different salvation by works, that is heretical. They teach purgatory, that is heretical. The pope says Muslims will probably go to heaven, he is a heretic and the statement is heretical.

The reformed do not portray God as uncaring. Nice strawman argument.
Here's what you said reformed:

Heretical teachings by a heretical church. Some truth sprinkled with gross heresy. I am so glad we are free from the antichrist of the Roman Catholic Church. If you want salvation, get as far away from the Catholic church as you can. It holds the gates of Hell, not Heaven.

THE ANTI-CHRIST OF THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH.
BTW, is it only the RCC that you are against or ALL of the Catholic churches??

If you don't believe the Catholic Church is the original church you'll have to tell us which one is.

You make statements but you don't back them up.
WHY are we supposed to believe you're correct?

You also forgot to list why the CC is heretical...
It seems that you think so because of the teaching of purgatory.
This in incorrect teaching...
If you don't agree. then we could safely say that ALL denominations are heretical since they all have some teaching or other that is not
from the church the Apostles left us.

The CC does not teach salvation by works.
We are saved by faith,,,that is a common belief in Christianity.

Except for the reformed, of course..they believe God chose them.

And regarding your strawman argument....
I was showing y ou how calvinism is HERETICAL, NOT the CC.

Does this sound like a loving and caring God to you?

By predestination we mean the eternal decree of God, by which he determined with himself whatever he wished to happen with regard to every man. All are not created on equal terms, but some are preordained to eternal life, others to eternal damnation; and, accordingly, as each has been created for one or other of these ends, we say that he has been predestinated to life or to death.

The Institutes of the Christian Religion
John Calvin
Book 3
Chapter 21
Paragraph 5