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If Jesus is God (as some people think), he wouldn't have said-
"I am going to the Father, for my Father is greater than I" (John 14:28)
"I am going to the Father, for my Father is greater than I" (John 14:28)
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They receive the invitation through the preaching of the gospel . Its true that many will reject but at least some will hear .This is a very basic truth amigo.....but it’s not as simple as that. The “mass majority” will fail the final test as Jesus has already indicated. (Matthew 7:21-23) But as Jesus also stated....”No man can come to me unless the Father, who sent me, draws him . . . . .This is why I have said to you, no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father”. (John 6:44, 65)
If no one can come to the Son without an invitation from his Father....how does one receive that invitation?....and why do those in the “mass majority” not know that Jesus will reject them?
What are your thoughts?
Whether something is a triple negative or a triple positive, depends on whether one is folding or unfolding--which is the nature of revelations.Triple negative. Huh? You are saying that a picture of Being A is Being A.
Simplifying the sentence. It is right to say that no image is WHO the Being the image is of.
This is a misunderstanding. Understandably.If Jesus is God (as some people think), he wouldn't have said-
"I am going to the Father, for my Father is greater than I" (John 14:28)
Isn’t this what Paul said...?They receive the invitation through the preaching of the gospel . Its true that many will reject but at least some will hear .
LET GOD be the one who adds those souls . Our duty is to simply preach truth . But again todays leaders
teach it aint our job or duty to teach truth , to correct . WRONGTHEY ARE my friend . That is how leaven fills places full .
Christians have a huge responsibility to use God’s word to do what it is supposed to do...I bet those who teach that , would be furious at me if i saw their own child skating on thin ice but then followed their advice and said nothing or did nothing to HELP SAVE that child . SORRY but todays mindset
dont judge , dont correct is dead wrong . I just bet they would say WHERE WAS YOUR LOVE amigo
WHERE was your love for my child when you saw them getting ready to get on thin ice . WHY didnt you warn them amigo .
TO WHICH I SAY , HEY LEADERS , WHERE IS YOUR LOVE FOR YOUR OWN PEOPLES who are in danger . WHERE IS YOUR LOVE
to GOD and to CHRIST and to humanity , WHEN YOU WONT CORRECT those in error , EITHER . PEROID .
TIME to return to THE TRUE pattern given us by CHRIST and the apostels .
If you think that is funny or odd . wait till you see the mass majority who now believe its A okay no mattter what one believes
and they actually think all are on the same path leading them to GOD in different ways .. what a crock that lie is .
I say learn those bibles , learn JESUS well .
Can I ask why you think that people in general believe that all Christians must be “born again” and that heaven is their only destination? Was heaven ever offered to Adam as a destination for him when he died?I think we agree on this one. Either you got the spirit or you don't. You will need your spirit card to get in heaven because no flesh cards can be there. It's not even set up for the flesh. Yeah and the only way you get spirit is to be born again of God's spirit. I probably should mention that. We are not born with spirit. We are born with a body and soul. And spirit is not soul. Did I say all that correct?
That's right, the Nation of Israel. So why do you apply that verse to your group?His people sir. His pre-Christian witnesses who observed the Law covenant.
OK...lets see....verse by verse....Hah, yes surely there is one right here, and more too.
Philippians 2
The Humbled and Exalted Christ
Lets just examine the words carefully in light of their original language meaning.....not the connotations put on them by biased translators who had their own appropriated doctrines to push well after the death of Jesus and the apostles, when the scriptures were translated into English......7 but [c]made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. 9 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
You don't see that "the church" has indoctrinated all its flocks from early times, and that what you have been led to believe is what was already contrived from way back....Jesus told us it was going to happen......it is old lies that you have been fed, and you really don't want anyone to point them out to you....it might mean that you have to change your opinion....and we all know that is one of the hardest things to do when the majority want to believe what they have always believed...."don't upset the apple cart!"They prefer their teachings to what scripture teaches. the fact it must be so heavy handedly interpreted shows their understanding is contrived to suit themselves. So they may read a scripture, and then they go to their book to read what it means according to the JW teaching.
Again...just read what it says....Hebrews 10
5 Therefore, when He came into the world, He said:
“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire,
But a body You have prepared for Me.
6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin
You had no pleasure.
7 Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come—
In the volume of the book it is written of Me—
To do Your will, O God.’ ”
8 Previously saying, “Sacrifice and offering, burnt offerings, and offerings for sin You did not desire, nor had pleasure in them” (which are offered according to the law), 9 then He said, “Behold, I have come to do Your will, [b]O God.” He takes away the first that He may establish the second. 10 By that will we have been [c]sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Where is this a proof text for what you assert?Hebrews 2,
Christ born as a man was created by God, that is the man part of himself. And only with such a union could He be the savior and die for your sins.
5 For He has not put the world to come, of which we speak, in subjection to angels. 6 But one testified in a certain place, saying:
“What is man that You are mindful of him,
Or the son of man that You take care of him?
7 You have made him [d]a little lower than the angels;
You have crowned him with glory and honor,
[e]And set him over the works of Your hands.
8 You have put all things in subjection under his feet.”
For in that He put all in subjection under him, He left nothing that is not put under him. But now we do not yet see all things put under him. 9 But we see Jesus, who was made [f]a little lower than the angels, for the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that He, by the grace of God, might taste death for everyone.
14 Inasmuch then as the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He Himself likewise shared in the same, that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil, 15 and release those who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. 16 For indeed He does not [h]give aid to angels, but He does [i]give aid to the seed of Abraham. 17 Therefore, in all things He had to be made like His brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people. 18 For in that He Himself has suffered, being [j]tempted, He is able to aid those who are tempted.
Because that is what we are, and who we are....."witnesses" for the true God, Jehovah. He has always had his witnesses appointed to represent his interests on earth, but due to the flawed character of sinful men, they have not always represented him well.That's right, the Nation of Israel. So why do you apply that verse to your group?
Heaven or a new Earth... either way you will need a spiritual body to get there. And there is nothing in the Bible that says the spirit of God has anything to do with animals who are both body and soul.Can I ask why you think that people in general believe that all Christians must be “born again” and that heaven is their only destination? Was heaven ever offered to Adam as a destination for him when he died?
What will people do in heaven, and why is there a general consensus that God ever intended anyone to go to heaven in the first place? What gives them this idea? I guess I am asking why you believe that we were put on this earth at the outset? What was our purpose here?
If there is a difference between the soul and the spirit, what do you believe is the difference?
Jane, the issue I have is that NOWHERE in Scripture does it say that Christians are Witnesses of Jehovah. The fact is Jesus said in Acts 1:8 we were to be His Witnesses.Because that is what we are, and who we are....."witnesses" for the true God, Jehovah. He has always had his witnesses appointed to represent his interests on earth, but due to the flawed character of sinful men, they have not always represented him well.
Jane, the issue I have is that NOWHERE in Scripture does it say that Christians are Witnesses of Jehovah. The fact is Jesus said in Acts 1:8 we were to be His Witnesses.
Lets examine this too.....Here is one,
Jesus is mediator for the 144,000 alone.
"Likewise, the Greater Moses, Jesus Christ, is not the Mediator between Jehovah God and all mankind. He is the Mediator between his heavenly Father, Jehovah God, and the nation of spiritual Israel, which is limited to only 144,000 members." Worldwide Security Under the "Prince of Peace" (1986) pp.10-11
"The "great crowd" of "other sheep" that is forming today is not in that new covenant. However, by their associating with the "little flock" of those yet in that covenant they come under benefits that flow from that new covenant." Watchtower 1979 Apr 1 p.31
Scripture though says all believers are members of the new covenant established in Christ's blood, as they are saved by believing, not just 144,000 are members of the New Covenant. If you are outside that covenant, you are not saved, meaning you will be destroyed in the Lake of Fire at the end of the age.
Let me point out one verse here....1 Timothy 2:5....Hebrews 12:24
to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.
1 Timothy 2
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,
6 who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time,
Hebrews 9
14 how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without [a]spot to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? 15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
Acts 2:21
And it shall come to pass That whoever calls on the name of the Lord Shall be saved.’
Acts 16:31
So they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.”
Romans 10:9
that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
Also to @Peterlag, please read Revelation 3:14....Jane, the issue I have is that NOWHERE in Scripture does it say that Christians are Witnesses of Jehovah. The fact is Jesus said in Acts 1:8 we were to be His Witnesses.
What doest thou see Pete?This seems to crack me up a bit this morning as I look at this post. Scott does not see what Robert sees. Robert does not see what Scott sees. And both do not see what I see nor do I see what both of them see.