You might think Im ganging up on you, but the bible refutes your claims, and this is a Christian forum and so my questions are just.sojourner4Christ said:A born again believer can have a resident devil and not be possessed (ask Paul, or me!) -- one’s skin is no magical barrier to where the devil may be located, so any distinction implied between oppression and indwelling is moot. (The definition of indwelling can confuse, because it can imply either temporance or permanence. Indwelling: inhabiting, dwelling, abiding, or possessing.)
The question is simple and fair
Tell me how does a born again believer have an "indwelling" evil spirit when the Holy Spirit is "indwelling"?
You want to teach us and others that Christians can be "indwelt" with demons as well as the Holy Spirit, the only problem is the Bible specifically refutes demonic "indwelling" in those who belong to Jesus.
oppression
əˈprɛʃ(ə)n/
noun
prolonged cruel or unjust treatment or exercise of authority.
"a region shattered by oppression and killing"
synonyms: persecution, abuse, maltreatment, ill treatment, tyranny, despotism,repression, suppression, subjection, subjugation, enslavement,exploitation; More
the state of being subject to oppressive treatment.
"a response to collective poverty and oppression"
synonyms: persecution, abuse, maltreatment, ill treatment, tyranny, despotism,repression, suppression, subjection, subjugation, enslavement,exploitation; More
mental pressure or distress.
"Beatrice's mood had initially been alarm and a sense of oppression"
indwell
ɪnˈdwɛl/
verb
gerund or present participle: indwelling; adjective: indwelling
1.
be permanently present in (someone's soul or mind); possess spiritually.
"the Holy Spirit indwells God's people"
2.
MEDICINE
(of a catheter, needle, etc.) fixed in a person's body for a sustained period of time.
"an indwelling chest drain"
Re sojourner4Christzeke25 said:Good points Madad21. But I think that mind compartmentalization is relevant to the topic as well. The purpose of controlled torture and other brain washing techniques is to divide a person's mind into separate compartments. The is the activity of men controlled or heavily influenced by demons. This way a person, can believe and espouse two (or more) opposing views and have no conflict in their mind about it. Some politicians do this alot, some of it is not lying. "Oh, I went to a Billy Graham crusade and got saved" but I also know that the Muslim god is the same as the Christian god. Or, I didn't have sex with that woman because we haven't successfully parsed "is" yet. Or, I believe in Christianity but I wear a Muslim ring. Should I go further back in time? I'm merely pointing out that I am not taking political sides, I can equally go after either party's leader. Let's take the Kerry and Bush interviews prior to their election. The interviewer asked them both, are you part of Skull & Bones. They both said its a secret, we can't talk about it. The satanic rituals that those boys go through in S&B would make a normal person puke. But they like that stuff. But what? They can't talk about it! Give me a break, and people still voted for them. In religion there is a process employed by the demonized reprobates. They take their initiates into a process that begins with traditional thinking, then in groups which apply group peer pressure and changes agents they take you into transitional thinking, and the end goal is transformational thinking. Once an initiate has reached transformational thinking they no longer have to bow to the authority of Scripture, instead they can think and believe any opposing ideas they want with complete peace in their compartmentalized minds. So, the process can work on the innocent without torture. It just takes an expert like Rick Warren and his purpose driven drivel to pull this one off. So, you have to be careful in and out of church. There is no where to turn to be safe except the Son of God and His shed Blood to cleanse you of your sin and to be your covering.
If I've stepped on anyone's sacred cow, oh well. Go for it. But I'm against sacred cows too. Do you know how many Hindus in India would not be poor and hungry if they would butcher some cows instead of calling them aunt Regina and uncle Rah? Not only would they have meat to eat, they would have more grain to eat as well because there would be less sacred cows roaming around eating the grain that people need. The enemy's devices seem to be never ending. Praise God, we have a deliverer greater than all of the enemy's devices.
Mate when someone uses scripture out of its context in order back up such claims makes me wonder how much more I should be listing to someone who study's demons but doesn't seem to have appropriate understanding and grounding in the word. Such teachings are dangerous because people have a fascination with demons and things of the paranormal so they will take the word of someone who tickles their senses over the infallible word of God.
So then we will have Christians walking around thinking that they can be possessed by evil spirits and all sorts of other information that by the same token could be misleading, taking the wisdom of the world over what Christ teaches.
Im not refuting mind control and satanic blood lines etc etc, but I draw the line at "indwelling" demonic spirits especially when I have been promised as well as taught that this is impossible for those who trust in Jesus. Jesus himself teaches against this. And I draw the line at Generational curses especially because the Bible refutes that specifically as well.
If this wernt a Christina forum thne I would understand running into indifference on such an issue.