Are Protestants "saved? "

[Eternally Grateful]

Thank you EG.....What other denominations are claiming to be “The Church”?

You said that only one of the teachings is right. Which one of the 3 you listed is the right teaching?

If my Church is NOT the only one who is right then which other church is right?

Curious Mary

Your welcome

denomination does not make a church, no denomination is the church, that includes the Roman Catholic denomination.

them church of columbus (my hometown) is a church which expands across different denomination of people who feed their people they way they think is right, other denominations feed their church the way they think is right. Yet in they all lead people to Christ,

yes, you are but one of many denominational churches,

Again, we go back to the original point, made. What makes a church the church? And they answer is not what building they worship in or what name they give themselves,

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Hola EG,

The foundation was started with Him or as you say “built on Him”. The Apostles then completed that foundation. That was 2,000 years ago. Has nothing been built upon that foundation since then?

Curious Mary

No

the foundation was on Christ, namely what he did on the cross

any church which says otherwise is building their foundation on a human being, not on God almighty. And in my view, is no church at all

 

[Joseph77]

the foundation was on Christ, namely what he did on the cross

Ephesians 2:20 built on the foundation of the apostles and ...

Ephesians 2:20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus Himself as the cornerstone.
Verse 20. - Being built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets

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any church which says otherwise is building their foundation on a human being, not on God almighty. And in my view, is no church at all

Those who practice a false Jesus, on men or demons doctrines, are not included in that which God built upon Jesus and the Apostles.

The abomination / deception from rome is so old, many generations, since before 300a.d. (as it started in bblon, before the roman catholic adopted it) ... that billions of souls have been destroyed by it, and continue to be today.

 

[Yehren]

(Yehren returns to the back of the church where the sinners are, and leaves the "good people" to their own)

 

[Joseph77]

(Yehren returns to the back of the church where the sinners are, and leaves the "good people" to their own)

You left the 'good people' , the people who follow Jesus outside, outside -
you did not get far enough back to be with those who follow Jesus...
up front, you moved away from, the abominable ones, probably far worse than you.... so that's a start, but do not stop.

 

[Yehren]

If you don't like Christians, why would you want to be one? If you have to leave His house to be with the "good people", maybe that's a clue for you, too.

 

[Joseph77]

If you don't like Christians, why would you want to be one? If you have to leave His house to be with the "good people", maybe that's a clue for you, too.

It is a clue,and revealed in His Word, a direct statement God gives, for everyone: COME OUT OF HER , MY PEOPLE (do not stay and suffer with that horrible place/people) ,,,
Jesus went outside the gate.
He hated the hypocrits who were and are the religious leaders then and now.
The ones who call Him "Lord,Lord" but are told by Jesus on Judgment Day "be gone from Me, I never knew you"
the ones who are called by His Name, but their hearts are far from Him.
Their lips worship Him, but they have no worship of Him in their hearts at all - only deception of themselves , and a show for others.

 

[Yehren]

He hated the hypocrits who were and are the religious leaders then and now.

I'm not calling you a hypocrite. I think you're so tied up in your theological ruminations that you can't accept salvation God's way. If you do the will of the Father, it won't matter; your love for God and for your neighbor will save you.

But be sure. Your theology will not save you.

 

[Joseph77]

Theology, as indicated in this thread, kills people, keeping them separated from God and from Jesus.

The Wisdom of This World is Foolishness With God

The Wisdom of This World is Foolishness With God
As you will see in the two verses I will list below, the Bible tells us that the wisdom of this world is "foolishness with God." Since God is all-perfect in His being and in His knowledge - then this obviously means that God is always right and that man and the world is always wrong when they are not on the same page.
1 Corinthians 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is ...

1 Corinthians 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God's sight. As it is written: "He catches the wise in their craftiness."
1 Corinthians 3:19 ... This world's wisdom is "foolishness" in God's sight; for it is written, "He snares the wise with their own cunning." World English Bible For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, "He has taken the wise in their craftiness."

 

[Yehren]

God says otherwise...

Luke 10:33 But a certain Samaritan being on his journey, came near him; and seeing him, was moved with compassion. [34] And going up to him, bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine: and setting him upon his own beast, brought him to an inn, and took care of him. [35] And the next day he took out two pence, and gave to the host, and said: Take care of him; and whatsoever thou shalt spend over and above, I, at my return, will repay thee. [36] Which of these three, in thy opinion, was neighbor to him that fell among the robbers? [37] But he said: He that shewed mercy to him. And Jesus said to him: Go, and do thou in like manner.

Jesus told his people that it was better to be a heretic, a Samaritan who had love for his fellow man, than to be a theologically-correct Levite who did not.

And that's consistent with everything else He said. He says that it's not those who call on Him as Lord; it's those who do the will of the Father who are saved. It's not those who know every verse of the Bible, and can argue theology forever; it's those who do for the unfortunate. It's not those who keep a list of what they should and should not do; it's those who love God and love their fellow man.

Theology won't save you; loving God and loving your neighbor will save you.

All your wisdom won't do it. A loving heart will do it. Have the humility to do it His way.

 

[Yehren]

Thank you EG.....What other denominations are claiming to be “The Church”?

You said that only one of the teachings is right. Which one of the 3 you listed is the right teaching?

If my Church is NOT the only one who is right then which other church is right?

Right. There are (who knows?) different denominations, each arguing that their theology is right. But only one of them could possibly be right about everything. If theology is what saves us, then most of the world's Christian denominations are doomed to hell.

Which seems absurd.

 

[Paul Christensen]

The issue is that according to the official statutes of the RCC as shown in the Council of Trent, completely ratified by Vatican II, is that no one is saved except those in the RCC. Therefore, it doesn't matter how RCC members put a spin on it, they cannot believe that any Protestants can be saved if they are to remain totally loyal to their church.

So we have to be careful not to be fooled by the spins of RCC people to try and make out that we are their brothers and sisters in Christ. According to the official teaching of their own church, they are lying.

 

[Joseph77]

Theology won't save you; loving God and loving your neighbor will save you.

No. This is a terrible twisting of what's happening, distorting the truth as if it was a lie in your view, and taking the lie, claiming it is true.

Loving false doctrines, and those who bring a false gospel, does not mean accepting at all any of their words , practices, doctrines or anything from them.
Love hopes for the best, that they would be saved. Until then, their false gospel is anathema, cursed, by Jesus Himself, and God.

 

[Joseph77]

Right. There are (who knows?) different denominations, each arguing that their theology is right. But only one of them could possibly be right about everything. If theology is what saves us, then most of the world's Christian denominations are doomed to hell.

Which seems absurd.

and yet you almost got to some truth here..... absurd as it seems, (remember the world and those who are not saved, think this truth is absurd - they are NOT ABLE to grasp it, to understand it, nor to comprehend it --- that is almost the definition of demonic doctrines - decieving the minds and hearts as they do)

and what does the BIBLE SAY (or do you think the BIBLE is absurd too?)

After one third of mankind die, the remaining two thirds REFUSES to repent of worshiping demons....

Does that sound absurd to you ?

 

[Yehren]

The issue is that according to the official statutes of the RCC as shown in the Council of Trent, completely ratified by Vatican II, is that no one is saved except those in the RCC. Therefore, it doesn't matter how RCC members put a spin on it, they cannot believe that any Protestants can be saved if they are to remain totally loyal to their church.

Well, let's take a look...

The Church recognizes that in many ways she is linked with those who, being baptized, are honored with the name of Christian, though they do not profess the faith in its entirety or do not preserve unity of communion with the successor of Peter. (14*) For there are many who honor Sacred Scripture, taking it as a norm of belief and a pattern of life, and who show a sincere zeal. They lovingly believe in God the Father Almighty and in Christ, the Son of God and Saviour. (15*) They are consecrated by baptism, in which they are united with Christ. They also recognize and accept other sacraments within their own Churches or ecclesiastical communities. Many of them rejoice in the episcopate, celebrate the Holy Eucharist and cultivate devotion toward the Virgin Mother of God.(16*) They also share with us in prayer and other spiritual benefits. Likewise we can say that in some real way they are joined with us in the Holy Spirit, for to them too He gives His gifts and graces whereby He is operative among them with His sanctifying power. Some indeed He has strengthened to the extent of the shedding of their blood.
Lumen gentium

This is the official stand of The Church. Any Catholic who does not accept this finding that members of other Christian denominations are joined with us in the Holy Spirit, is in serious error.

 

[Joseph77]

The Church recognizes that in many ways she is linked with those who, being baptized, are honored with the name of Christian, though they do not profess the faith in its entirety or do not preserve unity of communion with the successor of Peter.

Thus, starting with a false premise, quicksand, anything that follows likewise is false, quicksand.

 

[Yehren]

and what does the BIBLE SAY

I just showed you what it says. Yet you rely on your own wisdom and reject what Jesus tells you. Do you think the BIBLE is absurd too?

Set your pride aside, and let it be His way.

Theology won't save you; loving God and loving your neighbor will save you.

No.

I see your denial, but Jesus says otherwise. He says that all of the law and the prophets hang on those two commandments. I understand why you don't want to believe it, but I'll go with Him.

You should, too.

 

[Joseph77]

This is the official stand of The Church. Any Catholic who does not accept this finding that members of other Christian denominations are joined with us in the Holy Spirit, is in serious error.

Rather, according to all Scripture, God and Jesus, this statement is the epitome of the false gospel, leading billions to destruction, destroying their souls already.

ANYONE who joins with you, is yes, in serious, life and death, error.

 

[Joseph77]

I just showed you what it says. Yet you rely on your own wisdom and reject what Jesus tells you. Do you think the BIBLE is absurd too?

No, you did not. No, I do not. No. Three strikes. (on top of all the other errors you posted) You're out!

 

[Paul Christensen]

Well, let's take a look...

The Church recognizes that in many ways she is linked with those who, being baptized, are honored with the name of Christian, though they do not profess the faith in its entirety or do not preserve unity of communion with the successor of Peter. (14*) For there are many who honor Sacred Scripture, taking it as a norm of belief and a pattern of life, and who show a sincere zeal. They lovingly believe in God the Father Almighty and in Christ, the Son of God and Saviour. (15*) They are consecrated by baptism, in which they are united with Christ. They also recognize and accept other sacraments within their own Churches or ecclesiastical communities. Many of them rejoice in the episcopate, celebrate the Holy Eucharist and cultivate devotion toward the Virgin Mother of God.(16*) They also share with us in prayer and other spiritual benefits. Likewise we can say that in some real way they are joined with us in the Holy Spirit, for to them too He gives His gifts and graces whereby He is operative among them with His sanctifying power. Some indeed He has strengthened to the extent of the shedding of their blood.
Lumen gentium

This is the official stand of The Church. Any Catholic who does not accept this finding that members of other Christian denominations are joined with us in the Holy Spirit, is in serious error.

Explain the statute in the Council of Trent where it says clearly that there is no salvation outside of the RCC.