Are Protestants "saved? "

[Eternally Grateful]

. . . as if we would then have something of which to boast!

There is a true freedom, a full release, in knowing that Jesus has made us free. If we believe He has done it, we can live in that truth. But if we don't believe, we don't.

So the choice is ours. Struggle trying to do the right thing in our own strength, or trust in Jesus, and find freedom.

Much love!

As he promised,

Come to me you who are weary and heavy laden,

and I will give you rest.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

work to make your calling and election sure

Because I have to

Or because I need it for my own benefit..

See how context can make the same words mean different things?

 

[bbyrd009]

Because I have to

Or because I need it for my own benefit..

See how context can make the same words mean different things?

well, "have to" and "need it" seem awfully close together imo, so maybe i am not getting you there, sorry

Truth is the same thing as the evidence of the truth?

Interesting definitions you have.

you keep applying the definition to me, but i did not define AT?
as to your first Q i dont get it, sorry

Or projected.

That can only mean that you only believe in what you see. But the just, they live by faith. Completely different.

yeh, no condemnation implied there, eh

 

[Joseph77]

ah well so was i i guess

Don't guess.
Ask the Father in heaven.
Not everyone is immoral like Esau, as written in Scripture.

 

[Joseph77]

ah well i guess that would require that you be the arbiter of "true and solid," right? are you?

This is what the LORD says: “For three transgressions of Edom, even four, I will not revoke My judgment, because he pursued his brother with the sword and stifled all compassion; his anger raged continually, and his fury flamed incessantly.

? what ?
If your or anyone's posts are truth, they will stand the test, and they won't be offended being challenged either.
A sure sign someone's not right, is they get easily offended. (I think there's a dozen or more Scriptures verifying this) ....

 

[Joseph77]

I agree. I might add that if a Christian today isn't being vexed or harassed in some way, then his light ain't shining.

Do you, or someone, remember where it is written "unless you are weeping (deeply grieved) by the conditions today (the vast sinfulness and wickednesses daily), you are not my disciple" (paraphrased) .
i.e. all of the ones born again are deeply vexed , grieved daily, same as Lot was. (and Jesus) (Jesus FIRST! - Most Important ! of course) ....

 

[Eternally Grateful]

please note

Jacob was just as immoral as Esau

Who both are just as guilty as every man woman and child who ever lived, but one, His name was Jesus

 

[Episkopos]

please note

Jacob was just as immoral as Esau

Who both are just as guilty as every man woman and child who ever lived, but one, His name was Jesus

False of course. The bible says that Jacob was "tam"...innocent of evil. And he then became "shalem"...raised to an intimate place with God.

The bible says none of those things concerning Esau.

So you are inventing things...or just repeating what you have been told to believe.

 

[Joseph77]

False of course. The bible says that Jacob was "tam"...innocent of evil. And he then became "shalem"...raised to an intimate place with God.
The bible says none of those things concerning Esau.
So you are inventing things...or just repeating what you have been told to believe.

Careful with that one - he likes to turn people in for saying these things - and some of the ones not paying attention to the context listen to him.
I simply asked him to provide ANY Scripture, for his 'beliefs'/ POSTS he posted/
and he had none.

 

[marks]

yeh, no condemnation implied there, eh

Only if you assume there is something wrong with that. Lot's of people don't, I think.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

False of course. The bible says that Jacob was "tam"...innocent of evil. And he then became "shalem"...raised to an intimate place with God.

The bible says none of those things concerning Esau.

So you are inventing things...or just repeating what you have been told to believe.

Romans 9 said Jacob was chosen before he was even born, and before either of them did one good deed.

Now Edom (also called Esau) they were an evil bunch who was destroyed by God.

But esau vs jacob? is was jacob who sinned against esau, not the other way around.. Yet Esau found forgiveness.. and forgave his brother.

 

[marks]

Do you, or someone, remember where it is written "unless you are weeping (deeply grieved) by the conditions today (the vast sinfulness and wickednesses daily), you are not my disciple" (paraphrased) .
i.e. all of the ones born again are deeply vexed , grieved daily, same as Lot was. (and Jesus) (Jesus FIRST! - Most Important ! of course) ....

What is the actual passage you are looking at? Can't quite recognize if from what must be I imagine a very loose paraphrase.

Are we supposed to spend our days in grief? Or are we to be rejoicing always?

And again I say, Rejoice!

Much love!

 

[bbyrd009]

? what ?
If your or anyone's posts are truth, they will stand the test, and they won't be offended being challenged either.
A sure sign someone's not right, is they get easily offended. (I think there's a dozen or more Scriptures verifying this) ....

ok, so then what is the test?

 

[marks]

please note

Jacob was just as immoral as Esau

Who both are just as guilty as every man woman and child who ever lived, but one, His name was Jesus

There are some who will claim there are those who are exempt from God's declaration that all have sinned and fallen short of God's glory.

This helps them to believe that they too can be accepted by God on their own right. I guess!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

There are some who will claim there are those who are exempt from God's declaration that all have sinned and fallen short of God's glory.

This helps them to believe that they too can be accepted by God on their own right. I guess!

Sadly this is exactly one of the things Paul was trying to address in Romans 9, Because many Jews thought the same. Even that they were chosen because their fathers were so righteous..

Paul told them they were wrong. As you said, All have sinned and fall short. That includes all.

 

[Joseph77]

Study Bible
In the LORD I Take Refuge
…2For behold, the wicked bend their bows. They set their arrow on the string to shoot from the shadows at the upright in heart. 3If the foundations are destroyed, what can the righteous do?” 4The LORD is in His holy temple; the LORD is on His heavenly throne. His eyes are watching closely; they examine the sons of men.…
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Pulpit Commentary
Verse 3. - If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do? The word translated" foundations" is a rare one, only occurring here and in Isaiah 19:10. The meaning of "foundations," first given to it by Aquila, is now generally adopted. We must suppose the timid friends to be still speaking, and to mean that, under the lawless rule of Saul, the very foundations of society and of moral order were swept away; the righteous (צַדִּיק, a collective) had done and could do nothing to prevent it. What remained for David, but to withdraw from a community where there was neither law nor order, where the first magistrate commanded (1 Samuel 19:1) and attempted (1 Samuel 19:10) assassination?
Psalm 11:3 Commentaries

Psalm 11:3 If the foundations are destroyed, what can the righteous do?"

 

[Brakelite]

Do you, or someone, remember where it is written "unless you are weeping (deeply grieved) by the conditions today (the vast sinfulness and wickednesses daily), you are not my disciple" (paraphrased) .
i.e. all of the ones born again are deeply vexed , grieved daily, same as Lot was. (and Jesus) (Jesus FIRST! - Most Important ! of course) ....

What is the actual passage you are looking at? Can't quite recognize if from what must be I imagine a very loose paraphrase.

Are we supposed to spend our days in grief? Or are we to be rejoicing always?

And again I say, Rejoice!

Much love!

I believe that in the last days the following will apply to those " marked" with the seal of God...
KJV Ezekiel 9
4 And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.

 

[Joseph77]

KJV Ezekiel 9
4 And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.

Thanks! I believe this is what I was remembering.

 

[Joseph77]

ok, so then what is the test?

The well known for 2000 years, Berean test.

 

[bbyrd009]

The well known for 2000 years, Berean test.

ah, can't find "berean test" in Scripture, can you expound? ty