Are the ANOINTED only among the Jehovah's Witnesses?

[Keiw]

You are both attesting the same one truth of God

Because there is only one God not three
then Jesus and the Holy Spirit must be manifestations
of the one and only God also called God the Heavenly Father,
God as Author and creator of Life, God as YHWH or Jehovah
who is eternal infinite and self existent with no beginning and no end
Also expressed as the Alpha and Omega.

These are still the one God.

But because we as people are finite and linear in our language and perception of time and relations, God expresses and manifest in multiple ways as Jesus and the Holy Spirit.

These are still one with the same God the Father . Just the names and manifestations are in different Contexts. Jesus is the context of Salvation, of Justice and righteousness.
Holy Spirit is the context of Comfort and Peace, harmony that comes with God's truth that sets us free and with Jesus as God's Justice that brings Peace by Mercy and Grace

We have different terms for the different contexts by which we experience God's love truth justice Mercy grace wisdom peace but these are all the same God because there is only one by definition of God referring to universal and supreme greater than all else


Jesus is not lying, but we can get into conflicts by citing different contexts so we can't tell were talking about the same God and truth. Clearly as believers we all know there is only one God and truth inorder for that to be consistent with what God means.

True God worship history= a single being God-YHWH(Jehovah)

 

[Aunty Jane]

You are both attesting the same one truth of God

Im afraid not….the god of Christendom is not the God of the Bible, who was manifest to God’s ancient servants in sometimes direct communication, such as with Moses in the Most Holy compartment of the Tabernacle.
Abraham also had direct communication with his God, gaining the unique status of being called “Jehovah’s friend”. (James 2:23) The God of these faithful men was a singular entity whose power was demonstrated on many occasions with displays that only a powerful God could perform.

Because there is only one God not three
then Jesus and the Holy Spirit must be manifestations
of the one and only God also called God the Heavenly Father,
God as Author and creator of Life, God as YHWH or Jehovah
who is eternal infinite and self existent with no beginning and no end
Also expressed as the Alpha and Omega.

These are still the one God.

Yes, there is still only one God…the same God worshipped by his son, even in heaven (Rev 3:12)

Jesus is not a manifestation of God but a divinely authorized representative. This is why he could be called a “mighty God”….”theos” can carry a meaning that identified any “god, goddess, divinity or deity”. The use of “ho theos” identified only the Father in Greek, whereas “theos” alone could refer to Jesus, angels or even human judges who spoke as his representatives.

The holy spirit is God’s infinite power provided to whomever and wherever it is needed to accomplish God’s will and purpose. It is not a person. There are not three gods, but one Father who sent his “only begotten son” under the power of his holy spirit (received at his baptism) to accomplish mankind’s redemption.

But because we as people are finite and linear in our language and perception of time and relations, God expresses and manifest in multiple ways as Jesus and the Holy Spirit.

Or rather, God is represented in various ways by those who acted as his representatives. Angels brought God’s messages to his human servants when they materialized in human form. Gabriel e.g. appeared to Daniel as an “able bodied man” and spoke with him, comforting him and commending him for his unfailing faith in his God, because he was too old and frail to make the journey back to his beloved homeland. Gabriel also appeared to Mary some 500 years later, to bring her the news of her impending pregnancy and the birth of the long awaited Messiah.

These are still one with the same God the Father . Just the names and manifestations are in different Contexts. Jesus is the context of Salvation, of Justice and righteousness.
Holy Spirit is the context of Comfort and Peace, harmony that comes with God's truth that sets us free and with Jesus as God's Justice that brings Peace by Mercy and Grace

Being “one” with the Father means being united with him in his will and with God’s stated purpose. He is a God of order so everything he does is accomplished in an orderly way….it is humans who behave in a disorderly way, forcing him at times to administer punishment.
God’s son is a completely separate entity who also worships the same God as we do. (John 20:17)

In the Lord’s Prayer, Jesus begins with “Our Father who art in heaven”…..so Jehovah is the Father of all his obedient children….including his obedient son, who was “sent” on an earthly mission (John 17:3) and completed it faithfully, despite the suffering he knew was coming with it.

Jesus is not lying, but we can get into conflicts by citing different contexts so we can't tell were talking about the same God and truth. Clearly as believers we all know there is only one God and truth inorder for that to be consistent with what God means.

Unfortunately, Christendom has created a god that the Bible and Jesus never mentioned.
It is this truth that creates conflict, as it should…..Jehovah does not want himself to be misrepresented, as you said, Jesus is not a liar, and he never once claimed to be God incarnate, or even his equal.

Those who claim that Jesus is anything other than what he said he was, (the son of God) need to know where and when these ideas infiltrated Christianity when the Jewish Messiah never claimed to be what they were led to believe centuries ago by an apostate church system. Since the Reformation, they were fractured into literally thousands of sects, not only claiming Jesus as their Lord, but also as their God. If Jesus is not God, then they are in breach of the first Commandment. Jesus rejects false Christians as “workers of lawlessness”…..whose law are they breaking? God’s law. (Exodus 20:3; Matt 7:21-23)

 

[Jack]

True God worship history= a single being God-YHWH(Jehovah)

Jehovah/God/Jesus are "Mighty God". They are the same Being. Nobody else. Jesus is God.

 

[quietthinker]

Are the ANOINTED only among the Jehovah's Witnesses?​

Of course! ....and who is the witnesses to Jehovah? is it not Jesus? .....the only eye witness to Jehovah.
Do those who bear pious names like Jehovah's Witnesses, witness to Jehovah? Ask them to witness of Jehovah. Does it match up with the witness Jesus gave?

 

[Keiw]

Jehovah/God/Jesus are "Mighty God". They are the same Being. Nobody else. Jesus is God.

YHWH said to my Lord-proves Jesus is not YHWH and YHWH is the only true God. Your false god would be insane if Jesus were God as well--Rev 1:1-A revelation of Jesus Christ which God gave to him--Did God say--here me have a revelation? That is what occurred in your belief.

 

[Jack]

YHWH said to my Lord-proves Jesus is not YHWH and YHWH is the only true God. Your false god would be insane if Jesus were God as well--Rev 1:1-A revelation of Jesus Christ which God gave to him--Did God say--here me have a revelation? That is what occurred in your belief.

See how JW's nearly always avoid facts and Scripture! Your JW bible says you WRONG! It says Jehovah/God/Jesus are "Mighty God" and "the first and the last". NOBODY ELSE! They are the same being! Is your JW bible also Satanic?

Now watch the JW smokescreen and evasion again, just like Satan would do.

 

[Keiw]

See how JW's nearly always avoid facts and Scripture! Your JW bible says you WRONG! It says Jehovah/God/Jesus are "Mighty God" and "the first and the last". NOBODY ELSE! They are the same being! Is your JW bible also Satanic?

Now watch the JW smokescreen and evasion again, just like Satan would do.

It says his NAME will be called those things.

 

[Jack]

It says his NAME will be called those things.

Amen! Jesus is "Mighty God" and "the first and the last". Exactly like "Jehovah". They are the same.

 

[Keiw]

Amen! Jesus is "Mighty God" and "the first and the last". Exactly like "Jehovah". They are the same.

As usual you speak errors from your darkness--Jesus has a God-John 20:17--YHWH does not have a God--proving they are not exactly the same.

 

[Jack]

As usual you speak errors from your darkness--Jesus has a God-John 20:17--YHWH does not have a God--proving they are not exactly the same.

I quoted the JW bible. Now you're even attacking the JW bible. lol

Kingdom Hall has you totally confused!

 

[Emily Nghiem]

Im afraid not….the god of Christendom is not the God of the Bible, who was manifest to God’s ancient servants in sometimes direct communication, such as with Moses in the Most Holy compartment of the Tabernacle.
Abraham also had direct communication with his God, gaining the unique status of being called “Jehovah’s friend”. (James 2:23) The God of these faithful men was a singular entity whose power was demonstrated on many occasions with displays that only a powerful God could perform.

Yes, there is still only one God…the same God worshipped by his son, even in heaven (Rev 3:12)

Jesus is not a manifestation of God but a divinely authorized representative. This is why he could be called a “mighty God”….”theos” can carry a meaning that identified any “god, goddess, divinity or deity”. The use of “ho theos” identified only the Father in Greek, whereas “theos” alone could refer to Jesus, angels or even human judges who spoke as his representatives.

The holy spirit is God’s infinite power provided to whomever and wherever it is needed to accomplish God’s will and purpose. It is not a person. There are not three gods, but one Father who sent his “only begotten son” under the power of his holy spirit (received at his baptism) to accomplish mankind’s redemption.

Or rather, God is represented in various ways by those who acted as his representatives. Angels brought God’s messages to his human servants when they materialized in human form. Gabriel e.g. appeared to Daniel as an “able bodied man” and spoke with him, comforting him and commending him for his unfailing faith in his God, because he was too old and frail to make the journey back to his beloved homeland. Gabriel also appeared to Mary some 500 years later, to bring her the news of her impending pregnancy and the birth of the long awaited Messiah.


Being “one” with the Father means being united with him in his will and with God’s stated purpose. He is a God of order so everything he does is accomplished in an orderly way….it is humans who behave in a disorderly way, forcing him at times to administer punishment.
God’s son is a completely separate entity who also worships the same God as we do. (John 20:17)

In the Lord’s Prayer, Jesus begins with “Our Father who art in heaven”…..so Jehovah is the Father of all his obedient children….including his obedient son, who was “sent” on an earthly mission (John 17:3) and completed it faithfully, despite the suffering he knew was coming with it.

Unfortunately, Christendom has created a god that the Bible and Jesus never mentioned.
It is this truth that creates conflict, as it should…..Jehovah does not want himself to be misrepresented, as you said, Jesus is not a liar, and he never once claimed to be God incarnate, or even his equal.

Those who claim that Jesus is anything other than what he said he was, (the son of God) need to know where and when these ideas infiltrated Christianity when the Jewish Messiah never claimed to be what they were led to believe centuries ago by an apostate church system. Since the Reformation, they were fractured into literally thousands of sects, not only claiming Jesus as their Lord, but also as their God. If Jesus is not God, then they are in breach of the first Commandment. Jesus rejects false Christians as “workers of lawlessness”…..whose law are they breaking? God’s law. (Exodus 20:3; Matt 7:21-23)

Dear @Aunty Jane
Not sure what you refer to by "God of Christendom" if this is different from the "God of the Bible."

Where we all AGREE on God's truth is the right one, the Universal Truth of God which is so all encompassing
that none of us can deny.

So if we are divided, as you say, and presenting God/God's truth differently,
that is just man's local perspective and not the full picture.

I can present PART of scientific knowledge, like the science behind human genetics,
and that doesn't look anything like the science of biological development of rainforest ecosystems.

These are two different manifestations of God's laws of nature and science.
But they look nothing alike. They are not the same science, human biology and plant/animal biology.

That doesn't make them wrong or inferior, just subsets of the greater field of Science and Nature that encompasses them both.

 

[Keiw]

I quoted the JW bible. Now you're even attacking the JW bible. lol

Kingdom Hall has you totally confused!

Its you who are confused Jack-You refuse to believe Jesus. Not a wise place to be standing.

 

[Jack]

Its you who are confused Jack-You refuse to believe Jesus. Not a wise place to be standing.

Your Kingdom Hall opinions are leading you to Hell fire.

 

[Davy]

I have to laugh at the delusional title of this thread. I was raised in a certain mainstream Christian denomination that liked to think they were the only true body of Christ, just because of their name they adopted. What a crock.

 

[Ritajanice]

Being “one” with the Father means being united with him in his will and with God’s stated purpose. He is a God of order so everything he does is accomplished in an orderly way….it is humans who behave in a disorderly way, forcing him at times to administer punishment.

How can you be united with him in his will?

 

[BlessedPeace]

The concept of anointing relates to the ancient practice of anointing those who would be Priests or Kings (eg., Leviticus 8:12; 2 Samuel 2:4). But for the combined office of “kings and priests,” the Church and Bride of Christ is invited to share (Revelation 1:6; 5:10). Jesus as the Head was anointed first, but the oil of the holy Spirit has run down upon his body members.

“Behold, how good and how pleasant it is For brothers to dwell together in unity! “It is like the precious oil upon the head, Coming down upon the beard, Even Aaron’s beard, Coming down upon the edge of his robes.” - Psalm 133:1,2

The word in the Scriptures that says God has “anointed us” (chrio) “is the verb form of “Christ,” the anointed, the Messiah (Christos).

2 Corinthians 1:21“Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ [5548], and hath anointed [5547] us, is God”

Strong’s Concordance 5547 Christos (khris-tos’); from 5548; anointed, i.e. the Messiah, an epithet of Jesus:

Strong’s Concordance 5548 chrio (khree’-o); probably akin to 5530 through the idea of contact; to smear or rub with oil, i.e. (by implication) to consecrate to an office or religious service: - anoint.

The Bride of Christ—the faithful 144,000—constitutes of the glorified Anointed Body of Christ (Revelation 14:1).

How are the anointed to be identified? Those who have this anointing have no need that anyone teach them that fact, for they have the evidence of it—the proof of it in their own hearts and experience.

“And as for you, the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you abide in Him.” - 1 John 2:27

This passage does not mean “no need” to be taught instruction about the Scriptures in righteousness or God’s plan of salvation. John does not contradict other Scriptures which show that God had appointed teachers in the Church. Teachers are needed and to be recognized (eg., Galatians 6:6; Titus 1:9; 2 Timothy 2:2). John himself was a teacher and in this very epistle was teaching what both he and we appreciate as sound doctrine—necessary to be taught. What John is saying is that you don’t “need for anyone to teach you” that “Jesus is Christ” (vs 22). Notice how he says in vs 27 that what the anointing teaches “is true and is not a lie.” The “lie” was from the antichrist influence (vs 18) denying that Jesus was Christ (vs 21, 22). Also, those anointed with the Holy Spirit did not need anyone to tell them that they should not deny the Father and Son (vs 22); they knew this. The meaning is further understood by a correct translation of verse 20, “Ye have the anointing of the Holy One and ye all know it.” (Message Bible) In other words, the one receiving the anointing should know they have the Holy Spirit, whether others know it or not.

How does one personally evaluate whether they are of the Anointed? While others may observe and appreciate one as being led and used of the LORD, it is a personal judgment to perceive that one is a candidate for becoming part of the Christ, the Anointed. One has to ask himself whether he or she has come into the Anointed by the scriptural guidelines:

• Recognizing oneself is a sinner (Luke 18:13);
• Personally recognizing Jesus as one’s Savior (1 John 4:14);
• Recognizing the privilege of giving ALL in consecration to follow Christ (Matthew 16:24);
• Recognizing some fruits of the spirit in oneself (peace, faith, gentleness, self-control, etc.) and understanding Scriptures by the holy Spirit (Philippians 1:11; Ephesians 1:18; 5:17,18).

Members of the Anointed are NOT self-appointed for life. But in order to be of the completed Anointed Body of Christ, one must be “faithful until death” (Revelation 2:10) Only “if” one faithfully progresses in bearing the ”fruits” of the spirit to full maturation will one receive an abundant entrance into a heavenly reward—and Anointed Body of Christ.

“Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. 5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; 6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; 7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity. 8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: 11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.” - 2 Peter 1:4-11

In the meantime, those who are prospective members of the Anointed Body of Christ are not appointed to a virtual apostleship—ruling with authority to control every aspect of worship with authority to decide what is Truth. The Papacy throughout the Christian Age ruled with authority to dictate what is “truth” and rule in all worship.

The Risen Anointed Body in Heaven. Many hope or claim to be of the Anointed company—whether Bible Students, Jehovah’s Witnesses or others. Actually prospective members of the Anointed Body of Christ begotten of the holy Spirit reside in various congregations around the world—from America to Siberia, across Europe to India, etc. As members of congregations, these individuals who have come under the anointing may simply promote what they understand to be Truth based on the Scriptures and make judgments by voting in decisions of the whole congregation.

When fully developed as New Creatures, they will be “born again” in the spirit (John 3:3-8). Not a self-appointed “Governing Body” now in the flesh—those faithful will then compose the risen Anointed Body of Christ in heaven.

No,they're not. They're but one among the kingdom of the cults and each is lost until they break free by God's will and call .

 

[BlessedPeace]

I have to laugh at the delusional title of this thread. I was raised in a certain mainstream Christian denomination that liked to think they were the only true body of Christ, just because of their name they adopted. What a crock.

It's not surprising if we consider claiming sole,soul, ownership of God's truth leads the pride and ego to aspire to great heights.

Thinking one denomination is the only path to Heaven is dangerous.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Dear @Aunty Jane
Not sure what you refer to by "God of Christendom" if this is different from the "God of the Bible."

The “god of Christendom” is a god that no Jew would ever have accepted. Their Messiah was going to be human and his kingdom would be set up on earth so that God’s people would regain their rightful place as his “kingdom of priests and a holy nation”, as he promised. That is what they believed.

If Jesus had come claiming that he was God in human form, then the Jews would have rejected him outright. That would have been out and out blasphemy!

So what did the Jews actually think he was blaspheming about? If you read John 10: 31-36 (especially in the Greek) you will see that they were accusing him of being “a god” (theos) not “the God” (ho theos) he clarified that by calling himself “the son of (ho theos) God”. He was not claiming to be God incarnate but Jesus showed that all he called himself was “the son of God”.…he never once said that he was God. But they were desperate to pin a charge of blasphemy on him, so they ran with it.

Where we all AGREE on God's truth is the right one, the Universal Truth of God which is so all encompassing
that none of us can deny.

So if we are divided, as you say, and presenting God/God's truth differently,
that is just man's local perspective and not the full picture.

Can an Almighty God not convey his plain truth to his worshippers? When the Jews were gathered as a nation before God at Mt Sinai, they were one, as numerous as they were and divided into their tribes, they all still were instructed by one source…an appointed “Mediator” who acted as God’s spokesman….Moses.

When Moses went up into the mountain to obtain further instruction, that instruction then became binding on the whole nation. No one was permitted to put their own spin of God’s words. Moses would convey God’s instructions exclusively, and the whole nation had to comply with what was written as God’s word back then.

Fast forward to the first century and we see a woeful history as God’s dealings with his wayward people suffered many setbacks due to their repeated disobedience and excursions into false worship.

A “prophet like Moses” was foretold to act again as God’s spokesman (Acts 3:22) and that prophet proved to be Jesus Christ, also appointed as a “Mediator between God and men”. (1 Tim 2:5-6) As Moses was the mediator of the old covenant, Jesus was to be mediator of the new one…but again, there was to be no divisions (1 Cor 1:10)…..sectarianism separated the Jews, and as time progressed, sectarianism would also separate the Christians.…only this time on a global scale.

The Jews were confined to a certain area of the Middle East, even when they dispersed after their relaease for Babylon, their presence was not global……we see that Christendom is a global entity, spread out in the whole world, which is why Jesus could say that “this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations“ before he brought an end to the devil’s rulership of this earth.…. (Matt 24:14)

I can present PART of scientific knowledge, like the science behind human genetics,
and that doesn't look anything like the science of biological development of rainforest ecosystems.

These are two different manifestations of God's laws of nature and science.
But they look nothing alike. They are not the same science, human biology and plant/animal biology.

That doesn't make them wrong or inferior, just subsets of the greater field of Science and Nature that encompasses them both.

I know you like that analogy but we are speaking about God the Creator, not his creation.

We know from the scriptures and from our own history that imperfect humans have a propensity to want to put their own spin on things, which leads to division…..so how can we tell if what we believe is actually true?
Here is where it gets interesting…..

Paul wrote about the human propensity for promoting their own ideas, and alerted us to the fact that some of us would be “deluded” by our own thinking.…he calls these ones “lawless”…
”The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders, 10 and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, 12 in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.” (2 Thess 2:9-11 ESV)

Since a “delusion” is interpreted as absolute truth by the who who holds it, people are not going to be corrected by God if he finds no capacity in their heart for embracing the truth. If they love the lies, he will allow them to keep those lies as their truth. This is how Jesus separates the “sheep from the goats”……by what they choose to believe…..in spite of being told the truth, they will reject it in favor of their delusion.

At the judgment, Jesus will say to those who stuck to the lies….”I never knew you, get away from me you workers of lawlessness”. (Matt 7:21-23) So it is we who choose what is truth for ourselves….God will not interfere with those choices, but he will make the truth available and have it preached in all the world so that no one will be able to say at the end….”Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name”….because they truly believed that they were Christians in good standing with the one they claimed as their “Lord”……but if Jesus says “I NEVER knew you”…then that means he has “NEVER” recognized them as his own.

So according to my studies, Christendom is counterfeit Christianity…the “weeds” planted by the deceiver in an attempt to guide people away from the true God under the guise of a phony Christianity, divided and disobedient like the ancient Jews proved to be. “Divide and conquer” is his favorite tactic.

We need to make good choices, well founded in the scriptures, not taking anyone’s word for any of it, but carefully checking to see if what we believe is well grounded in God’s word, not in the faulty interpretation of it by Christendom’s hopelessly divided church system.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Thinking one denomination is the only path to Heaven is dangerous.

Believing that the divided churches of Christendom teach “the truth” when they cannot agree on much of anything is delusional.
1 Cor 1:10……
“Now I urge you, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you should all speak in agreement and that there should be no divisions among you, but that you may be completely united in the same mind and in the same line of thought.”

By what stretch of whose imagination are Christendom’s churches united? Only in their acceptance of the core teachings that form the foundation of that entire house of cards. It will soon collapse and take down all who failed to bail out before it is too late. (Rev 18:4-5)

 

[BlessedPeace]

Believing that the divided churches of Christendom teach “the truth” when they cannot agree on much of anything is delusional.

Thank you. Your denomination is a cult that originated in the 1800's.
Not in year 1, thousands of years prior, nor in 33 A.D.

Delusional? Yes, it is