StanJ said:
It's not about ME JayP, it's about God and His word, IN CONTEXT. if you refuse to accept what Paul says in Col 1 and 2 about Jesus being FULLY God then I can't really say anything more to you.
I clearly said I agree that he was Fully God, it is you that is refusing to accept that he was equally Fully Human! If he wasn't human then the sacrifice doesn't work. You see way back in Genesis God tells Satan that a human Son, a decendent of Eve would be bitten by the serpent but that same decendent would crush his head - that is Jesus he was bitten by death but crushed death by rising again. He won the war! That man was God, but he was also Human!
"The Word became flesh a dwelt among us"!
He walked, talked, ate, drank, breathed, was tempted, cried, prayed, rejoiced and died! Those are things humans do! You see my bible in Isaiah tells me that God "does not grow tired and weary" - if Jesus grew tired (ie he was so tired he slept through a storm on the boat, woke up and then told the storm to shut up) then he must be human!
In the gospel, after Jesus stayed behind in the temple after the feast, Luke says that Jesus "grew in wisdom and stature", why would God need to grow in wisdom? God is wisdom! (hey it's another gift of the spirit that Jesus was blessed with)
But here's a biggie, Jesus, The Father and the Holy Spirit are all God, but are all different entities. They have different roles and different minds you see Jesus said (when talking about the final days)
"Concerning that day or that hour, no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."
But this is really the verse I want you to take away remember and then try and say that Jesus was ONLY God -
1 Tim 2:5 "For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the
man Christ Jesus,"
I don't mind if you wanna disagree with me (I'm happy for people to disagree, as long as they discuss in an attitude of love), but please don't disagree with the Word of God
shturt678 said:
JayP, on 01 Jul 2014 - 7:41 PM, said:
Luke 4:1 : "And Jesus
full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan and was led by the Spirit in the wilderness."
Acts 10:38 : "God
anointed Jesus of Nazareth
with the Holy Spirit"
Jesus also says him self in Matthew 12v28 "But if it is
by the Spirit of God that I drive out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you." when answering a question about in who's name he casts demons out of people
Basically the Bible tells me yes Jesus was God, but also he was fully man and so on that basis needed the Spirit to complete the work set out for him. He was able to do miracles, heal the sick, teach with wisdom and knowledge, and organise 12 (largely hapless) followers, he fed people, he showed mercy and so much more - but all with the power of The Spirit!
I agree Jesus did not need to speak in tongues ergo neither do I
Thank you folks for caring!
I thought that was well put together only adding that all three Persons cooperate in our redemption.
Old Jack's take on it
I thought that went without saying, without Jesus there is no salvation - as there is no Sacrifice, without the Spirit there is no revelation, and with out the Father there is no thing.