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Assurance of salvation:

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  1. H. Richard

    H. Richard Well-Known Member

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    These are posted to show that man's works are not a part of a person's salvation. No where in them is a mention of man's works. It only mentions believing in Jesus.

    John 5:24-27
    24 "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.
    25 Most assuredly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God; and those who hear will live.
    26 For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself,
    27 and has given Him authority to execute judgment also, because He is the Son of Man.
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    John 6:34-35
    34 Then they said to Him, "Lord, give us this bread always."
    35 And Jesus said to them, "I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst.
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    John 6:46-50
    46 Not that anyone has seen the Father, except He who is from God; He has seen the Father.
    47 Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life.
    48 I am the bread of life.
    49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead.
    50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that one may eat of it and not die.
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    Acts 13:38-39
    38 Therefore let it be known to you, brethren, that through this Man is preached to you the forgiveness of sins;
    39 and by Him everyone who believes is justified from all things from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses.
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    Romans 4:5-8
    5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness,
    6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:
    7 "Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, And whose sins are covered;
    8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin."
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    Romans 10:3-4
    3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God.
    4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
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    Romans 10:10-13
    10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
    11 For the Scripture says, "Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame."
    12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him.
    13 For "whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved."
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    1 John 5:4-5
    4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world — our faith.
    5 Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?
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    1 John 5:9-13
    9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater; for this is the witness of God which He has testified of His Son.
    10 He who believes in the Son of God has the witness in himself; he who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed the testimony that God has given of His Son.
    11 And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son.
    12 He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.
    13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.

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    Helen Well-Known Member

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    Thank you...

    Those who believe will, and those who chose not to...will continue to confuse the free gift of God ..and our daily walk.

    Position and Condition will continue to be confused.
    Our works are either an expression of our love for God or they are an effort to add to the finished work.

    One is a glorious gift , one is a reward for faithful service.
     
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  3. TruthBeliever

    TruthBeliever New Member

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    What about
    Acts 2:38
    38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
     
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    1stCenturyLady Well-Known Member

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    What do you consider to be actual belief in Jesus seeing as the demons believe and tremble?

    You do what comes naturally. There is no struggle in doing what you want.

    A non-Christian will want to sin, and will do so naturally according to their carnal nature.
    A Christian will want to be righteous, and will do so naturally, according to their born again nature.

    No works involved, just doing what your old nature, or your new nature wants depending on which you have.

    1 John 3:21 "Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God."
     
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    Episkopos Well-Known Member

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    There is an assurance of salvation for all who are faithful to Christ till the end. But the flesh wants some kind of guarantee that it can do as it pleases and get away with it. A person of faith will reject this notion for what it is....the carnal mind expressing it's own desire to save itself.
     
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    1stCenturyLady Well-Known Member

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    Right!

    1 John 3:21-24

    21 Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God.

    22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

    23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

    24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
     
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    H. Richard Well-Known Member

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    Oh no, you tell me what actual belief is. If I say anything you will just say it isn't true belief. As for me I totally believe, have faith in, trust in, what Jesus did for me on the cross. I have turned over my eternal life to Jesus because I BELIEVE that when He shed His blood on the cross it paid for my sins. The word of God says that is true and I believe it. You should too.

    I believe that the scriptures I posted in the O.P. are true. You should too.
     
  8. Dave L

    Dave L Guest

    I believe Peter was telling born again Jews among the others to join the New Covenant. When they asked "what must we do?" It was because they believed (were already saved according to Jesus), and needed instruction. The "gift of the Holy Spirit" = life long presence of the Holy Spirit in their hearts through the word of God.
     
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    The new covenant is future to the houses of Israel and Judah.

    We are under the covenant of grace currently.

    The Holy Spirit dwells in the born-again spirit.

    The gift of the Holy Spirit is the receiving Holy Spirit at salvation.
     
  10. Dave L

    Dave L Guest

    We are under the New Covenant.

    “for this is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for forgiveness of sins.” (Matthew 26:28) (NASB95)
     
  11. CoreIssue

    CoreIssue Well-Known Member

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    We are under a covenant, but not the new covenant.

    You keep neglecting the clause that the new covenant is to the houses of Israel and Judah, not Gentiles, not the Church.

    The KJV New Testament Greek Lexicon
    Strong's Number:
    1242 Browse Lexicon
    Original Word
    Word Origin
    diaqhvkh from (1303)
    Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
    Diatheke 2:106,157
    Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
    dee-ath-ay'-kay Noun Feminine
    Definition
    1. a disposition, arrangement, of any sort, which one wishes to be valid, the last disposition which one makes of his earthly possessions after his death, a testament or will
    2. a compact, a covenant, a testament
      1. God's covenant with Noah, etc.

    testament
    1. Obs. a covenant, esp. one between God and man
    2. [T-]
      1. either of the two parts of the Christian Bible, the Old Testament and the New Testament
      2. Informal a copy of the New Testament
      1. a statement, act, etc. testifying to the fact, validity, or worth of something; testimonial: a testament to liberty
      2. an affirmation of beliefs or convictions; profession: a freethinker's testament
    3. Law a will: now rare except in the phrase last will and testament

    Nowhere is this defined as the new covenant in Hebrews. That is stipulated with the houses of Israel and Judah, which we are not.

    Where are the laws the Bible says will come with this new covenant that are different from the Mosaic covenant?

    In the Bible a covenant is a testament and testament a covenant.
     
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    amadeus Well-Known Member

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    "For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call." Acts 2:39
    Who was called by the Lord our God? Only Jews?

    "Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
    As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved." Rom 9:24-25

    "And I will sow her unto me in the earth; and I will have mercy upon her that had not obtained mercy; and I will say to them which were not my people, Thou art my people; and they shall say, Thou art my God." Hosea 2:23
     
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    farouk Well-Known Member

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    John's First Epistle has strong material about the assurance of salvation: knowing that we believe.
     
  14. CoreIssue

    CoreIssue Well-Known Member

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    We are not under the new covenant in Hebrews to the houses of Israel and Judah.

    We are under what I call the covenant of grace.

    The KJV New Testament Greek Lexicon
    Strong's Number:
    1242 Browse Lexicon
    Original Word
    Word Origin
    diaqhvkh from (1303)
    Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
    Diatheke 2:106,157
    Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
    dee-ath-ay'-kay Noun Feminine
    Definition
    1. a disposition, arrangement, of any sort, which one wishes to be valid, the last disposition which one makes of his earthly possessions after his death, a testament or will
    2. a compact, a covenant, a testament
      1. God's covenant with Noah, etc.

    testament
    1. Obs. a covenant, esp. one between God and man
    2. [T-]
      1. either of the two parts of the Christian Bible, the Old Testament and the New Testament
      2. Informal a copy of the New Testament
      1. a statement, act, etc. testifying to the fact, validity, or worth of something; testimonial: a testament to liberty
      2. an affirmation of beliefs or convictions; profession: a freethinker's testament
    3. Law a will: now rare except in the phrase last will and testament
     
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    We are as limited as we make ourselves. God is not limited except as He has granted us the choice of limiting Him. The children of Israel did and so have many people today:

    "Yea, they turned back and tempted God, and limited the Holy One of Israel." Psalm 78:41

    The apostle Paul warned us about limiting God here:

    "Quench not the Spirit." I Thess 5:19

    Don't limit our God by trying to make Him fit into a box. We do it, but are we not missing the very best things when we do so?

    "I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me." Phil 4:13
     
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    Nancy Well-Known Member

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    Awesome verses, all! They are so well put together I might just copy and paste to my computer. I was comforted with those verses and, I know many who struggle with the "assurance" of their salvation, thanks for sharing! ♥
     
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    James 2:20 KJV
    [20] But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
    The devil believes... will he be saved?
    James 2:19 KJV
    [19] Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
     
  19. Dave L

    Dave L Guest

    To whom did God graft us into? Other gentiles or Israel?
     
  20. Dave L

    Dave L Guest

    “And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.” (Hebrews 12:24) (KJV 1900)
     
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