Being Born again = Eternal Security

[Behold]

Reader,


1.) Paul teaches Eternal Security as being "Born again".

2.) So, if you are not, then you are not "sealed" because you are not Saved.

3.) The "sealing" happens when God puts the Believer "in Christ". = Born....again.......= spiritual birth.

4.) This means that God's Holy Spirit, has Spiritually Birthed the SPIRIT in a Believer........into God Himself., as "born again".

5.) This means the eternally forgiven BELIEVER has become "one with God"......exactly as 1st Adam was originally .

6.) Being "sealed" means that you are born again, now having Jesus in you, so that you become "the temple of the Holy Spirit".

A.) So, to become "unsealed", you would have to stop being Born......again........and that is impossible, because being born again is a BIRTH.........a Spiritual Birth.....and you can't stop being born.
(Just ask your mother, if you dont Believe God).

Reader,
,..On this Forum, you are going to hear from religious self righteous Heretics who understand none of this that i just posted that is Salvation 101 found being taught in a Sunday School Class for 10 yr olds.

Self Righteous Heretics do not understand : The Cross of Christ

= that is the Eternal Blood Atonement,

= that is the Eternal New Covenant,

= that is God's Eternal Grace.

So, because they dont understand anything at all about Eternal Salvation found "IN Christ", they can only talk about doing works, and keeping commandments, and Moses law and being water baptized, and enduring to the , and (self) abiding......and whatever else is on their SELF SAVING LIST........of things that all Heretics try to do, as if they are the Savior.

Avoid these Heretics, and they are very easy to spot, as all of these deceived Deceivers will tell you LOUDLY that "you can lose your salvation".

 

[Behold]

God's Salvation is Eternal.
It will last for as long as God exits.
To be SAVED, is to have become BORN AGAIN, and this is a Spiritual Birth caused by God.....and this Gift of Eternal Life := not part time or temporary.

Why not?

Its Because God's Eternal Salvation is Jesus Himself, and its also God's Righteousnes, as : Christ's imputed Righteousness".
See those 2?
They are OF GOD, and God is Eternal, therefore whatever God gives to you spiritually, is also eternal.

Notice also that Salvation is a GIFT from God........and "the Gifts and callings of God are without repentance".

"Without Repentance" means that once gained, its forever assured by God.

Philippians 1:6

So, How does God save you?
Reader,...He saves you with His Grace....who is God's Mercy ... who is : JESUS on The Cross.
This means that there is no CAUSE found in you, that could earn it or keep it.
Salvation is SUPPLIED by God as "the GIFT of Salvation".........and its ETERNAL regarding the BELIEVER who is Born again.

Reader, you can't stop being born again.

 

[Behold]

Reader,


Notice what a person is, when God gives them His Eternal Salvation that is His " imputed Righteousness".

Romans 5 : 8-11. .. 1.) "while we were Yet sinners"... and 2.) ""when we were enemies of God".

See that?
THAT is the situation that finds God's Salvation... = a sinner who is an enemy of God, is GIVEN BY GOD...."righteousness", as a "Gift".
And now they are "made righteous'" by this "Gift of Righteousness".
That is YOU and ME, when we came to faith in Christ.
See it?
And now, God has esteemed us... .... God has decreed us as "RIGHTEOUS">, and that is eternal because It came from Eternal God.
Being BORN...again......is an Eternal Spiritual Birth.
Being Born Again is to have become "THE righteousness of GOD..........IN CHRIST"...

This is our Heavenly ID......This is who we became as a "new Creation IN CHRIST"...

Now its vital, its imperitive that you realize that what makes you worthy to be saved, is the fact that you are a SINNER.

"Jesus came into the world to save SINNERS".

And you have understand this as a core part of your FAITH In Christ..... or you will find yourself unable to believe that God keeps you saved, and you will try to do it for yourself and you can't.
And once that (broken faith) happens in your head, then you have "fallen from Grace", and you are in a "carnal mind" and you will not be able to believe correctly regarding : "Justification by Faith"... "Grace through Faith".
And without that foundation revelation, the Holy Bible will be nothing to you but confusion, and that is because understanding "justification by faith" is the Golden Key that unlocks NT Church Doctrine that becomes ever increasing revelation knowledge for you.

 

[Behold]

But what came back to my mind was something much simpler — the words of Jesus. He warned that people can lose faith,

The issue that many have is that they dont understand that being born again, happens the instant that God accepts our faith in Christ.

"Faith is counted by God.........as (Christ's) righteousness".....= given to us forever.

Now the person who does not understand that this GIFT of Righteousness......is not what we do.......its actually the eternal Blood Covenant between God and Jesus......who died on The Cross as This """GIFT of Salvation."""
This GIft, who is Jesus Himself, being sacrificed for our sin......2000 yrs ago......is "the Gift of Salvation".
So, when a person gives their Faith in Christ to God.......God then "IMPUTES" what Jesus has accomplished on The Cross 2000 yrs ago too them, instantly and forever....as the "imputed righteousness"..

So, THAT is when the Believing SINNER has RECEIVED God's "Gift of Salvation".

Now, Heretics, can't understand that Salvation is the Sacrifice of Jesus....that happened 2000 yrs ago.......so, they write commentares trying to change God's Salvation into..

"holding onto your faith"
"water baptism"
"commandment keeping"

and any other type of "here is what i must do to try to SAVE MYSELF".........

So, what all that is....all that false teaching that leads you to try to perform for God to try to go to Heaven or STAY SAVED..., instead of simply understanding and believing that The Cross of Christ is our Eternal Salvation given to a BELIEVER as a "GIFT".........so, all the other teaching that is worldwide and screeched from the Hilltops is a "false gospel" that is always going to be this..

Galations 1:8

"the Cross + works"........"the Cross + doing somthing".........

See those false gospels?
Those are the HERETICS gosples of : "here is what i must do, because Christ didnt finish my salvation".

A.) That is all the FALSE GOSPELS = "adding to the finished work of Jesus"........vs the TRUE Gospel "the simplicity that is found IN CHRIST"

 

[MatthewG]

Following Jesus isn’t as “simple” as you’re making it sound. Yes, salvation is a gift — nobody is arguing that. But Jesus Himself said that following Him involves denying ourselves, taking up our cross, remaining in Him, continuing in His word, and enduring to the end. Those aren’t small things. They’re not automatic. They’re not effortless.

If it were truly as simple as “believe once and you’re locked in forever,” Jesus wouldn’t have warned His own disciples about falling away, being choked out, being cut off, or drifting. He wouldn’t have told believers to stay awake, stay faithful, stay watchful, and stay connected to Him.

So I’m not denying the gift. I’m just saying Jesus never described the Christian life as something passive or automatic. He described it as a relationship — and relationships take commitment, attention, and perseverance.

That’s all I’m saying.

 

[Behold]

Following Jesus isn’t as “simple” as you’re making it sound.

Im not teaching Christian Discipleship, subsequent to Salvation... @MatthewG .

Im teaching how not to become a Heretical Victim of 2nd Corin 11:3

Im teaching "The GIFT of Salvation", and this is "The SIMPLICITY that is IN CHRIST">.. as Paul teaches.

Notice.. Readers,

If im teaching what it means to be a good Disciple, (after Eternal Salvation has occured), then i'd teach.....

A.) "Present your body as a living Sacrifice to God, which is your reasonable Service...""""

As our disciplesip is our continual <>SERVICE <> to God and to Christ that we are to complete all our lives as our never ending spiritual "walk of faith".

However, im not teaching on "disicpleship"....... and one of the reasons we are to never try to combine what we do (discipleship) after we are saved, with The Cross of Christ is because Disciplship is not God's Salvation.
God's Salvation is this...

Romans 5.. "(Jesus).. Who was DELIVERED (by God) for OUR Offenses"... = The Cross of Christ.

There is where you find God's "GIFT of Salvation" and that is not your discipleship.

 

[MatthewG]

I hear what you’re saying, but you’re creating a separation that Scripture itself doesn’t make. You keep insisting you’re “not teaching discipleship,” but the moment you start defining what salvation is and is not, you’re already shaping how people live, think, and walk as believers. That’s unavoidable.

The real issue isn’t whether salvation is a gift — we agree it is. The issue is that you’re presenting salvation in a way that ignores the very warnings, conditions, and relational language Jesus and the apostles consistently gave to believers.

Paul didn’t just preach “the simplicity in Christ.” He also preached:

• “Continue in the faith” (Col. 1:23)
• “Work out your salvation with fear and trembling” (Phil. 2:12)
• “If you live according to the flesh, you will die” (Rom. 8:13)
• “Do not be deceived… the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom” (1 Cor. 6:9–10)

Those are not “discipleship extras.” Those are salvation warnings given to believers.

So when you say discipleship must never be connected to salvation, you’re actually disconnecting what the New Testament keeps tightly woven together. Salvation is a gift — yes. But the life that follows is not optional, secondary, or irrelevant to the final outcome.

Jesus didn’t say, “Believe once and you’re eternally secure.” He said:

• “Abide in Me”
• “Follow Me”
• “Remain faithful”
• “Endure to the end”

Those are not discipleship footnotes. They are salvation realities.

So I’m not arguing against the gift. I’m saying the gift produces a life — and the New Testament treats that life as inseparable from the salvation it describes.

That’s where we differ.

 

[Behold]

I hear what you’re saying, but you’re creating a separation that Scripture itself doesn’t make.

What im doing is teaching Paul's Doctrine that is the only True solution for reversing the deceptive mind blinding effects of a false theology that has ruined the faith of millions of Christians.
And that theology is....... ""Here is what i have to do, now that im saved, to keep myself saved, while i pretend im trusting in Christ".

See, the heretic pretends that they are doing works because they love God, but the works they are doing are performed only because they believe this is how they keep from losing their salvation or how they stay saved.

Whereas....= The Reality of God's Eternal Salvation is that God's Etermal Salvation is offered only as : Jesus on The Cross.

That's it.

See, Jesus created and completed our Salvation 2000 yrs ago......... and Reader, God will give you what CHRIST has completed for you as the "Blood Atonement" that is the New Testament, that is the New Covenant = "the Gift of Salvation".........if you will give God your Honest Faith in Christ.

Once you do that... say on a Sunday night.....God then gives you His "imputed Righteousness" and the new birth. So in barely an instant from Faith in Christ to Born again "new Creation" having Eternal Life, and existing in the Kingdom of God.......takes about "Half a blink".
And now the former sinner, is eternally proclaimed by God's Mercy, that is the redemption that is found in Christ as....."Born again"....'having Eternal Life"........having become "The Temple of the Holy Spirit".... an "Heir of God" and a "joint Heir with Jesus"..
= A "Saint" who is become a member of : "the body of Christ", which is an eternal situation.

The next morning, you wake up and start your Disciplship, now that you have received God's Son's Sacrifice as your eternal forgiveness, eternal life, and eternal righteousness.

Welcome to God's Eternal Salvation.....He is JESUS on The Cross, and He is God's Gift to a Believing Sinner, as their Eternal Salvation.
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[WHO ME]

Reader,
,..On this Forum, you are going to hear from religious self righteous Heretics who understand none of this that i just posted that is Salvation 101 found being taught in a Sunday School Class for 10 yr olds.

Self Righteous Heretics do not understand : The Cross of Christ

So, because they dont understand anything at all about Eternal Salvation found "IN Christ", they can only talk about doing works, and keeping commandments, and Moses law and being water baptized, and enduring to the , and (self) abiding......and whatever else is on their SELF SAVING LIST........of things that all Heretics try to do, as if they are the Savior.

Avoid these Heretics, and they are very easy to spot, as all of these deceived Deceivers will tell you LOUDLY that "you can lose your salvation".

until you come to the knowledge that AFTER YOU ARE SAVED BY GRACE - IF THAT FAITH CONTAINS NO WORKS YOUR FAITH BECOMES DEAD

John 15:1-6

1) Jesus is the vine and the father is the one who prunes the BRANCHES(believers)
2) EVERY BRANCH IN ME (BELIEVERS) that does not bare FRUIT (WORKS) is TAKEN AWAY - faith without works is dead
4) A BRANCH (believer) cannot bear fruit on its own and must abide in Christ
6)Any BRANCH that abides not in Christ is withered and is burned in the fire

Faith without works is dead

15:2) only believers are IN Christ and if you dont produce Fruit (works) your removed

James 2:26 james compares FAITH WITHOUT WORKS to the BODY without the SPIRIT... ( a body without the spirit is what an unbeliever has... and if a Believer has No WORKS THE 2 ARE THE SAME

2:17 even so FAITH if it has NO WORKS IS DEAD

2:24 You see that by WORKS A MAN IS JUSTIFIED AND NOT NOT NOT BY FAITH ALONE

2:20 But will thou know O VAIN MAN that FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD FAITH


2:14 what does it PROFIT BELIEVERS if TAKEN says he has faith and NO WORKS

CAN FAITH SAVE HIM?

2:21 Was NOT Abraham JUSTIFIED BY WORKS

Faith without works is a dead faith

Again WORKS happens AFTER YOU ARE SAVED BY GRACE and if someone like taken or behold has NO WORKS his FAITH IS DEAD PRODUCING NO FRUITS



Taken and behold your False Teachers who iqnores the fact the your ALIVE FAITH which saves you thru Gods GRACE making you a believer becomes DEAD WITHOUT WORKS (FRUIT)

I dont know how thick you can be to not understand.... oh you understand that FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD but it goes against your false teachings so you iqnore it

 

[WHO ME]

You have only 1 FAITH and that 1 FAITH becomes DEAD WITHOUT WORKS..


How anyone can read that your Faith is dead without works and not understand that your faith is dead and still believe everything is still good to go is beyond me...

Taken and behold are OH VAIN MAN

 

[WHO ME]

Paul says:
1 tim 4:7

I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. Now there is in store for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on that day..
Paul is always talking about those believers that like him they dont fall back to their old ways where they Cant do Gods works, they stay the course.

See if paul would of had no works then His faith would of become dead... but he kept the faith...

If your faith becomes dead, repent and do works and your good to go....

Prodicals son is out in the world of sin not.doing Gods works and once he repents his father says

He was DEAD but now he lives Again
He was Lost (spiritually) but now that he repented he is Found

 

[WHO ME]

In hebrews 10:26
Paul says:
For if we willfully sin After we have recieved the knowledge of the truth, theres No more sacrifice for ours sin...

There was a scarifice for our sins but because we fall back into our old life there is no more.. and while we are fallin back we also arent able to do WORKS so our FAITH WOULD BE DEAD and Christ would no longer forgive us...

38-39) the Just shall live be FAITH ALONE, IF ANY MAN DRAWS BACK MY (JESUS) SOUL HAS NO PLEASURE IN HIM
39 paul replys) But WE ARE NOT THOSE WHO DRAW BACK... into our old life...

If your living by Faith your also doing Gods works...

Repent and come back and do Gods works

 

[WHO ME]

What do you people think happens when theres no more sacrifice for your sins?

You lost your salvation ofcourse...
Unless you repent, if you die then your fate is sealed and its too late to repent..

Whose the heretic now?

 

[Behold]

Taken and behold your False Teachers who iqnores the fact the your ALIVE FAITH which saves you thru Gods GRACE making you a believer becomes DEAD WITHOUT WORKS (FRUIT)

Reader,

Faith does not save us.
Faith is not the Savior.
Faith didnt hang on The Cross to save you.
God saves you THROUGH your FAITH.

"(God's) GRACE.... through faith".

So, when we understand that FAITH is not The Savior, then we are able to comprehend that holding unto faith, is NOT how you stay saved.

Many real believers and also most fake believers try to argue that holding onto faith is holding onto salvation.
In fact, Jesus is Salvation, and God accepts your faith, eternally, one time,........... when you FIRST Give God your FAITH in CHRIST.

God counts your faith in Christ as "righteousness" as soon as you give it to Him....and its done.
How do you know its done?
Because the BELIEVER is born again by God, instantly .... and this is not based on holding onto faith day by day.....but simply BECAUSE you have given to God = ONE TIME = what God requires to save you, and HE DID.

Eternal Salvation is not a work in progress that you try to DO.......reader.
Eternal Salvation is JESUS ON THE CROSS, providing His BLOOD and DEATH to GOD, on your behalf......and you can't do that......all you can do is receive what Christ has accomplished 2000 yrs ago for you, by shedding His Holy Blood and dying for you, = 2000 yrs ago.

Reader, now get this..... catch this revelation..

Eternal Salvation is 2000 yrs old..... and its not something you do, its something you RECEIVE from God by faith.

Eternal Salvation is JESUS on THE CROSS..... >>HE is Eternal Salvation.......and when you receive JESUS as your Savior, then God accepts your Faith forever, and the proof is that you are born again........and that is an eternal spiritual birth that can't be undone.

A CHRISTian, can lose their faith on WED, and get it back, next Tuesday........and that changed nothing regarding them being BORN AGAIN for ETERNITY.

See it?

 

[JRM]

The issue that many have is that they dont understand that being born again, happens the instant that God accepts our faith in Christ.

"Faith is counted by God.........as (Christ's) righteousness".....= given to us forever.

Now the person who does not understand that this GIFT of Righteousness......is not what we do.......its actually the eternal Blood Covenant between God and Jesus......who died on The Cross as This """GIFT of Salvation."""
This GIft, who is Jesus Himself, being sacrificed for our sin......2000 yrs ago......is "the Gift of Salvation".
So, when a person gives their Faith in Christ to God.......God then "IMPUTES" what Jesus has accomplished on The Cross 2000 yrs ago too them, instantly and forever....as the "imputed righteousness"..

So, THAT is when the Believing SINNER has RECEIVED God's "Gift of Salvation".

Now, Heretics, can't understand that Salvation is the Sacrifice of Jesus....that happened 2000 yrs ago.......so, they write commentares trying to change God's Salvation into..

"holding onto your faith"
"water baptism"
"commandment keeping"

and any other type of "here is what i must do to try to SAVE MYSELF".........

So, what all that is....all that false teaching that leads you to try to perform for God to try to go to Heaven or STAY SAVED..., instead of simply understanding and believing that The Cross of Christ is our Eternal Salvation given to a BELIEVER as a "GIFT".........so, all the other teaching that is worldwide and screeched from the Hilltops is a "false gospel" that is always going to be this..

Galations 1:8

"the Cross + works"........"the Cross + doing somthing".........

See those false gospels?
Those are the HERETICS gosples of : "here is what i must do, because Christ didnt finish my salvation".

A.) That is all the FALSE GOSPELS = "adding to the finished work of Jesus"........vs the TRUE Gospel "the simplicity that is found IN CHRIST"

 

[WHO ME]

Reader,

Faith does not save us.
Faith is not the Savior.
Faith didnt hang on The Cross to save you.
God saves you THROUGH your FAITH.

For by GRACE are you SAVED THROUGH FAITH

you dont understand anything...
Gods grace thru your Faith in Christ is how FAITH SAVES you....

I see you didnt address what James said, you kinda blew around it.... you dont know anything...

You say faith does not save us Yet the word of God says: for by GRACE ARE YOU SAVED THROUGH FAITH....

You shouldnt be teaching anyone anything if you cant get this right....

Behold said:
Faith does not save us
Behold also said:
God saves you THROUGH your FAITH

What you said makes absolutly no sense ..
How can Gods grace save you without you having FAITH in Christ.... if you have no faith Gods grace profits you nothing....

 

[WHO ME]

JRM))

I noticed you didnt answer James verses about Dead Faith either.... whenever someone argues their point YET doesnt addess the verses of what JAMES SAYS, tells you all you need to know...

If Gods grace through your Faith saves you and you only have 1 faith, then after Gods grace saving you you dont have works

YOUR FAITH IS DEAD

JAMES said it I only pointed it out

If your Faith becomes dead you have nothing.

 

[WHO ME]

JRM said: See those false gospels?
Those are the HERETICS gosples of : "here is what i must do, because Christ didnt finish my salvation".

WHO ME replys:
Like Ive said countless times, if you dont understand that AFTER YOU ARE SAVED BY GODS GRACE ...AFTER AFTER GET IT?
IF YOU DO NOT HAVE GODS WORKS YOUR FAITH BECOMES DEAD

AGAIN JAMES SAYS IT
I just point it out....

Geeezzz talk about thick

 

[WHO ME]

What JUSTIFIED MEANS:
an act of God by which those who are unrighteous are declared righteous before God while still in the sinning state.” Justification is a deliverance from the penalty of sin and is a past action for all believers, accomplished by Christ at the cross.

Behold and JRM - here lets start with one verse and 1 verse only..

James 2:24 You see then how a man is JUSTIFIED BY WORKS AND NOT BY FAITH ALONE.....
explain what is meant here...

 

[WHO ME]

2:24 shows that it takes faith AND works to be Justified..... pretty simple