Bible alone?
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Eternally Grateful
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It’s better to determine what is not. And what is left over should be accurate
a better ok written over that length of time should Never contradict itself. If something claiming to be a part of it contradicts it says things which do not line up with it. We can determine that not to be cannon
@Heart2Soul What we have is written, of course, plus the gracious guidance of the Holy Spirit.
Only Peter, the apostles, and their successors have the authority to teach and only they have the promise of the Holy Spirit!
Read acts 8 scripture not enough, must be taught,
Teaching authority of the Apostles and their successors in the church founded by Christ!
Jesus Christ is the head of the church, (eph 5:23) the body of Christ,
(col 1:18) the new and eternal covenant, (pre-figured Jer 31:31) (Heb 8:8) new covenant replaces the Mosaic covenant, (Heb 8:13) Christ replaces David as king, (Lk 1:32-33) Jesus Christ is the only mediator between God and men, (1 Tim 2:5 & Heb 12:24) but a mediator remains on earth mediating between God and His people, but Christ ascended to heaven, (acts 1) before He did He founded His church, on Peter, and the apostles, and their successors!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1
Jn 8:32 Jn 16:13
Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20
Read acts 8 scripture not enough, must be taught,
Teaching authority of the Apostles and their successors in the church founded by Christ!
Jesus Christ is the head of the church, (eph 5:23) the body of Christ,
(col 1:18) the new and eternal covenant, (pre-figured Jer 31:31) (Heb 8:8) new covenant replaces the Mosaic covenant, (Heb 8:13) Christ replaces David as king, (Lk 1:32-33) Jesus Christ is the only mediator between God and men, (1 Tim 2:5 & Heb 12:24) but a mediator remains on earth mediating between God and His people, but Christ ascended to heaven, (acts 1) before He did He founded His church, on Peter, and the apostles, and their successors!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1
Jn 8:32 Jn 16:13
Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20
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Unless you have the Holy Spirit you are not saved. I recommend you submit yourself to the authority of peter's so called successors in the Catholic Church. At least then you will hear mostly sound teachings.
I'm protestant btw.
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What settles the bible for me is first having to settle who Christ was. It all centers around the resurrection, i.e. if Christ was and is who he said he was. If you can work through that without a doubt (or at least consider it a strong possibility) then you have to consider that Jesus quoted every book of the Old Testament and confirmed them. He quoted from Torah, from historical books, from psalms and what we call the poetry books and he quoted the prophets. There are many examples in the New Testament and the first that comes to mind is Luke 24:27. Jesus would not have explained all these things concerning himself if they were not inspired. Thus, he made the famous statement "Moses wrote of me". That covers the Old Testament.
As for the New, they are compiled books in which the original apostles and/or those who knew Jesus in the first generation. You have Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, and Luke again writing Acts. Most of the Epistles were written by Paul and then you have James, Peter, and Jude. I count 8 authors of the New Testament. Did I miss any? And even Peter attributes the writings of Paul as Scripture (c.f. 2 Peter 3:16) and Paul calls Peter the apostle to the circumcision. So these original followers of Jesus affirmed each other, even in the occasional situation of divisions.
The bible interprets itself, and in the writings of Moses Christ has this fourfold depiction e.g. the 4 colors of the Tabernacle that foreshadows four gospels each depicting Christ in various ways, King, a servant, a man and the eternal Son oF God, aka the Word. There is one last verse interpreted by some as showing the inspired Word would end after the original apostles. That's in Isaiah 8:16. The more one knows the bible, the more they can see the symbolic and sometimes literal cross-referencing to an entire godly system. With something like 40 "authors", over thousands of years, that's impossible for mankind to do given he disagrees with everyone else all the time.
As for the New, they are compiled books in which the original apostles and/or those who knew Jesus in the first generation. You have Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, and Luke again writing Acts. Most of the Epistles were written by Paul and then you have James, Peter, and Jude. I count 8 authors of the New Testament. Did I miss any? And even Peter attributes the writings of Paul as Scripture (c.f. 2 Peter 3:16) and Paul calls Peter the apostle to the circumcision. So these original followers of Jesus affirmed each other, even in the occasional situation of divisions.
The bible interprets itself, and in the writings of Moses Christ has this fourfold depiction e.g. the 4 colors of the Tabernacle that foreshadows four gospels each depicting Christ in various ways, King, a servant, a man and the eternal Son oF God, aka the Word. There is one last verse interpreted by some as showing the inspired Word would end after the original apostles. That's in Isaiah 8:16. The more one knows the bible, the more they can see the symbolic and sometimes literal cross-referencing to an entire godly system. With something like 40 "authors", over thousands of years, that's impossible for mankind to do given he disagrees with everyone else all the time.
Eternally Grateful
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Ultimately, if you want to know if anything is from God, ask Him. He'll answer and not hold back.
That includes a particular book in the Bible, or the Bible as a whole. The Spirit is the one whom will testify above all else.
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Hi @theefaith and welcome to CB!
The bible was written by 40 different authors over a period of around 6,000 years. They lived in different places and different times, different cultures. And, scripture interprets itself...all scripture agrees even though it has a span of like, 6,000 years. Not to mention all of the prophecy that has already and still is coming to pass exactly as God's Word say's.
Here is a very short video, please watch and listen as no man could have ever done this...it is the gospel weaved through the genealogy from Adam to Noah, it is only 2 minute, let me know what you think of it:
farouk: "Protestants have long held that the Bible is self-authenticating."
Not theologically educated Protestants! The notion of self-authentication is meaningless gibberish intended to evade the hard work of making the case for limiting our canon. For example, consider these issues:
Prior to the Reformation, no list of our 66 biblical books exists to limit the biblical canon. Clement claims that his first century epistle to the Corinthians is divinely inspired. The Corinthian church seems to agree and mass copies this epistle. By what criterion can we exclude its claim? Jude treats the Assumption of Moses and 1 Enoch as if they were Scripture by embracing their revelatory content. In 1 Corinthians 2:9) Paul quotes the Apocalypse of Elijah (not Isaiah 64:4!) as Scripture. The Septuagint Bible includes the Apocrypha. The point is that the OT canon does not seem to have been limited to our 39 books in the first century.
Farouk: "In the New Testament, with the exception of the Acts of the Apostles (notable title), all the NT books were authored by Apostles.
False! Read any academic NT Introduction and you will discover the scholarly consensus that none of our Gospel were written by an apostle. Mark and Luke were not apostles. The same author who edited (not authored!) the Fourth Gospel wrote the Johannine epistles and that was John the Elder (see 2 John 1:1; 3 John 2:1) , not John the Apostle, the son of Zebedee. Papias is a contemporary of John the Elder and Papias implies that John the Apostle is dead, but John the Elder is alive and currently teaching in Papias's time. Hebrews was not written by Paul and doesn't even claim Pauline authorship. James and Jude were Jesus' brothers, but were not apostles. The Greek of John the Seer, the author of Revelation, is relatively poor and in any case vastly different than the literary style of the Fourth Gospel. So John the Seer is not the same author as the John who edited the Fourth Gospel.
Besides all this, one must contend with the scholarly consensus that Matthew never wrote the Gospel that later came to bear his name and that the following NT epistles are pseudonymous: 2 Peter, 1 and 2 Timothy, Titus, Ephesians, Colossians, and 2 Thessalonians. Some evangelical scholars disagree in the case of the last 3 epistles mentioned. Evangelical seminarians learn quickly to suppress this information from their congregations!
Not theologically educated Protestants! The notion of self-authentication is meaningless gibberish intended to evade the hard work of making the case for limiting our canon. For example, consider these issues:
Prior to the Reformation, no list of our 66 biblical books exists to limit the biblical canon. Clement claims that his first century epistle to the Corinthians is divinely inspired. The Corinthian church seems to agree and mass copies this epistle. By what criterion can we exclude its claim? Jude treats the Assumption of Moses and 1 Enoch as if they were Scripture by embracing their revelatory content. In 1 Corinthians 2:9) Paul quotes the Apocalypse of Elijah (not Isaiah 64:4!) as Scripture. The Septuagint Bible includes the Apocrypha. The point is that the OT canon does not seem to have been limited to our 39 books in the first century.
Farouk: "In the New Testament, with the exception of the Acts of the Apostles (notable title), all the NT books were authored by Apostles.
False! Read any academic NT Introduction and you will discover the scholarly consensus that none of our Gospel were written by an apostle. Mark and Luke were not apostles. The same author who edited (not authored!) the Fourth Gospel wrote the Johannine epistles and that was John the Elder (see 2 John 1:1; 3 John 2:1) , not John the Apostle, the son of Zebedee. Papias is a contemporary of John the Elder and Papias implies that John the Apostle is dead, but John the Elder is alive and currently teaching in Papias's time. Hebrews was not written by Paul and doesn't even claim Pauline authorship. James and Jude were Jesus' brothers, but were not apostles. The Greek of John the Seer, the author of Revelation, is relatively poor and in any case vastly different than the literary style of the Fourth Gospel. So John the Seer is not the same author as the John who edited the Fourth Gospel.
Besides all this, one must contend with the scholarly consensus that Matthew never wrote the Gospel that later came to bear his name and that the following NT epistles are pseudonymous: 2 Peter, 1 and 2 Timothy, Titus, Ephesians, Colossians, and 2 Thessalonians. Some evangelical scholars disagree in the case of the last 3 epistles mentioned. Evangelical seminarians learn quickly to suppress this information from their congregations!
And so now 30 or is it 40 thousand different groups formed from the Bible? What is with that?
Not something new and different, but clarification by the Holy Spirit to open hearts of what the Truth is!
Sorry HB, there was no council, ecumenical or local, that ever convened to establish canonicity of the Christian Bible. Even the council of Jamnia, Hebrew Bible, is highly disputed. Hippo & Carthage were simply ratifying what happened to already be in place by tradition. And 359%, the Holy Spirit was not involved in these particular councils, or any other council, not since the Jerusalem council, which took place after Paul's first missionary journey.
Or would not perhaps a better question be how do we know the difference between the Word of God and empty written words?
"And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God" Matt 4:6-7
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