Bible As Truth Vs. Intellectualism
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You say "believing in Christ is more than knowing Christ..." what you say there is against the Word of God. Jesus Christ is the Truth. If you don't know the Truth....then you don't know Jesus Christ. We are warned in the Bible not to accept another Jesus! Mother Teresa accepted another Jesus. The Catholic religion teaches another Jesus.
Quote aspen: Really? So are we saved because we know the Truth? Wrong - we are saved because Jesus choses us - we do not chose Him.
Mother Teresa"s "cognitive understanding of God is lacking," you say? She was a nun to the Catholic church! She is going to be canonized by the Catholic church! The whole Catholic religion's cognitive understanding of God is lacking! Just alone the fact that the Catholic church has a pope is against the Word of God. Do I need to go down the very big list of unbiblical doctrine from the Catholic religion?
Quote aspen: So you are yelling at me because you are agreeing with me about MT? Crazy....
You say "we are saved because Jesus choses us." What are you talking about! God choses us to be sanctified through his Son! How do you ever get that we can just believe whatever we want about Jesus? How do you ever get that we can not only believe whatever we want about Jesus---but also believe things different than what we are told from the written word?!
As for you not liking my exclamation points.....it is not about yelling, as you say, it's about exclaming something.
I have no idea what you are talking about agreeing with you about MT. What are you talking about? And how about try to refrain from labeling anything "crazy"? You don't think I refrain from using that word? Think again.
Quote aspen: Really? So are we saved because we know the Truth? Wrong - we are saved because Jesus choses us - we do not chose Him.
Mother Teresa"s "cognitive understanding of God is lacking," you say? She was a nun to the Catholic church! She is going to be canonized by the Catholic church! The whole Catholic religion's cognitive understanding of God is lacking! Just alone the fact that the Catholic church has a pope is against the Word of God. Do I need to go down the very big list of unbiblical doctrine from the Catholic religion?
Quote aspen: So you are yelling at me because you are agreeing with me about MT? Crazy....
You say "we are saved because Jesus choses us." What are you talking about! God choses us to be sanctified through his Son! How do you ever get that we can just believe whatever we want about Jesus? How do you ever get that we can not only believe whatever we want about Jesus---but also believe things different than what we are told from the written word?!
As for you not liking my exclamation points.....it is not about yelling, as you say, it's about exclaming something.
I have no idea what you are talking about agreeing with you about MT. What are you talking about? And how about try to refrain from labeling anything "crazy"? You don't think I refrain from using that word? Think again.
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
So you don't use the word crazy.......who knew you actually had a standard for talking to people!
So you did not reply to anything else I said, nor the question I asked---you just attack me personally. And you think that is okay?
"Really? So are we saved because we know the Truth? Wrong - we are saved because Jesus choses us - we do not chose Him."
It's like a cookie. Flour doesn't make the cookie. Butter doesn't make the cookie. To make the cookie whole there are many parts, and knowing the truth is one of those parts. My suggestion? Read the Bible.
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[font="tahoma][color="#000080"]3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, 4 even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love 5 he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, 6 to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved. 7 In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, 8 which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight 9 making known to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ 10 as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.
11 In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will, 12 so that we who were the first to hope in Christ might be to the praise of his glory. 13 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.
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Proof from Aspen's mouth that the RCC is lacking in cognitive thought, then.
It's like a cookie. Flour doesn't make the cookie. Butter doesn't make the cookie. To make the cookie whole there are many parts, and knowing the truth is one of those parts. My suggestion? Read the Bible.
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[font="tahoma][color="#000080"]3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, 4 even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love 5 he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, 6 to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved. 7 In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, 8 which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight 9 making known to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ 10 as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.
11 In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will, 12 so that we who were the first to hope in Christ might be to the praise of his glory. 13 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.
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Oh, now that's just golden, LOL...
Proof from Aspen's mouth that the RCC is lacking in cognitive thought, then.
Excellent passage, TexUs.
And about Mother Teresa, and proof from aspen that the RCC is lacking in cognitive thought......yep, golden...lol
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
Oh yes! You really nailed me that time!!! Ouch! Boy......I just got a real beating!
Since when are nuns authorities on theology? Especially nuns that are out in the world working? I am embarrassed for you.
Proof? Wow, cool - so whatever I said is proof? - I didn't know I was so powerful.
Mother Teresa believed what the Catholic church taught.
To be saved by the Lord Jesus Christ......NO ONE has to be an authority on theology, nor an authority of anything!
We just want you to know Jesus, aspen, the Jesus of the Holy Bible.
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
Mother Teresa believed what the Catholic church taught.
To be saved by the Lord Jesus Christ......NO ONE has to be an authority on theology, nor an authority of anything!
aspen: How do you know? Did you meet her? Interview her? You are making the mistake of claiming that every Catholic believes the same thing - sorry, it is just not true.
We just want you to know Jesus, aspen, the Jesus of the Holy Bible.
aspen: Awesome - then pray for Jesus to sanctify my heart.
You say "how do you know?" in reference to what Mother Teresa believed---because I know what the Catholic church teaches, and I know what Mother Teresas said in her diaries.
You also say that I'm making the mistake of claiming that every Catholic believes the same thing. Every Catholic is doing wrong when they call themself "Catholic." Catholics are under the authority of a pope. It is against the Word to have a pope. Catholics do many other things that are against the Word of God.
What do you mean "then pray for Jesus to sanctify my heart"? What do you mean? I pray that you give up all and any false teachings of the Catholic religion, and the false teachings of any denomination.
To be saved by the Lord Jesus Christ......NO ONE has to be an authority on theology, nor an authority of anything!
aspen: How do you know? Did you meet her? Interview her? You are making the mistake of claiming that every Catholic believes the same thing - sorry, it is just not true.
We just want you to know Jesus, aspen, the Jesus of the Holy Bible.
aspen: Awesome - then pray for Jesus to sanctify my heart.
You say "how do you know?" in reference to what Mother Teresa believed---because I know what the Catholic church teaches, and I know what Mother Teresas said in her diaries.
You also say that I'm making the mistake of claiming that every Catholic believes the same thing. Every Catholic is doing wrong when they call themself "Catholic." Catholics are under the authority of a pope. It is against the Word to have a pope. Catholics do many other things that are against the Word of God.
What do you mean "then pray for Jesus to sanctify my heart"? What do you mean? I pray that you give up all and any false teachings of the Catholic religion, and the false teachings of any denomination.
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
Selene
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Because of Mother Teresa, a lot of people converted to Christianity. Christ said to love our neighbors, which is what she did. Christ also said not to judge them. God is the only judge. How does one love their neighbors. With Mother Teresa, she loved her neighbors by dedicating her life to the poor. It did not matter what religious beliefs the poor held. She built hundreds of shelters, orphanages, and hospices to care for the elderly, the orphan, the poor, the homeless, and the sick.
Matthew 25:34-37 Then the king will say to those on His right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father. Inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty, and you gave me drink, a stranger and you welcomed me, naked and you clothed me, ill and you cared for me, in prison and you visited me.
I would definitely say that Mother Teresa was a true daughter of God. A daughter of God does not sit around and do nothing all day. The Holy Spirit inside her definitely moved her to accomplish impossible things for only by the Grace of God can such things be done.
Whatever doubts that Mother Teresa had is comparable to what Jesus went through at the cross when Jesus cried out "My God, my God, why hast thou abandoned me?'' Did Jesus really think that God was no longer there for him? In his heart, He knew that God was there. In the same way, Mother Teresa can write her doubts about God, but in her heart she knew that God was there. If she really felt that God abandoned her, she would have also abandoned her dedication of helping the poor. By the way, Mother Teresa went through the same experience as St. John of the Cross. I find that interesting.
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Selene
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A son and daughter of God will not sit around doing nothing. With the Holy Spirit, they will do great things. To people who are blind, they only see "good works," but to those who see, it is the Spirit of God accomplishing the impossible for only with God are all things possible. The son and daughter of God do not sit around doing nothing. It is amazing what God can accomplish through one person like Mother Teresa.
John 14:12 Otherwise believe for the very works' sake. Amen, amen I say to you, he that believeth in me, the works that I do, he also shall do; and greater than these shall he do.
Luke 6:37 Judge not, and you shall not be judged. Condemn not, and you shall not be condemned. Forgive, and you shall be forgiven.
These are Jesus' words taken from the Bible. So, if He did not say this, then who did?
John 14:12 Otherwise believe for the very works' sake. Amen, amen I say to you, he that believeth in me, the works that I do, he also shall do; and greater than these shall he do.
Luke 6:37 Judge not, and you shall not be judged. Condemn not, and you shall not be condemned. Forgive, and you shall be forgiven.
These are Jesus' words taken from the Bible. So, if He did not say this, then who did?
Maybe.
But becoming a follower of Christ is all that matters. Getting your name on the Roman Catholic Church's membership list doesn't gain you anything.
That also describes Buddhism.
I really don't care what she does. If it is not because of faith in Christ, it's meaningless.
Romans 14:23, "Everything that does not come from faith is sin."
Isaiah 64:6, "All our righteous acts are like filthy rags"
The literal translation of Isaiah 64:6 is "menstrual garments". If that grosses you out, then Isaiah has made his point. All these "good works" of Mother Teresa are like putting her tampon on display and proudly giving that to God. If this was not done out of faith in Christ, it's both sin and nasty to God.
And more often than not the people quoting this verse are judging the people they're trying to judge, LOL...
This just means in a nutshell, "be treated as you want to be treated". You can judge a person's Biblical comments but still not treat them like dirt.
By the way we're to also test the Spirits, John in Revelation commends the church in Ephesus for their discernment and judgement of false Apostolic teachings.
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
I really wish you would listen to yourself, Anastacia
1. Your answer to my question about how do you know what MT believes is "I know because I know"
2. Your answer to my claim that you are making the mistake of claiming that every Catholic believes the same thing is "Catholics are wrong"
3. I asked for prayer and you reject my request for your own agenda.
In the previous post, you claim the MT's errors in theology are due to catholic doctrine taught to her - she is a nun and therefore must only know Catholic doctrine. I said - why do you think MT has an authority as a theologian - in essence, why is MT held to a higher standard for her understanding of theology than any other Catholic - your response: "To be saved by the Lord Jesus Christ......NO ONE has to be an authority on theology, nor an authority of anything!"
None of your responses even make sense. It is as if you were answering your own questions - questions in your head.
It's like me saying: "Jesus came to teach us how to love more fully"
You respond: "That is a lie! Show me some scripture"
I respond: "Jesus is God"
You are so wrapped up in your hatred for Catholicism that you cannot even engage in a basic, reason based conversation. I am sure you will feel insulted by my post - it seems to be your only defense against the reality of your illogical posts. All I want is to have a conversation with you, but it is like wanting to pet a wolverine - you bite erratically.
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
From the interviews, her books, and her statements, it certainly appears she doesn't believe the work of Christ.
My point was that "good people that do good things" describes many religions which don't do so because of Christ. MT is no different... I don't care what works she does, if she doesn't profess Christ, it doesn't matter.
Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
It's not what I want to hear that matters, it's what God hears. He'll see her as a sinner deserving of death unless Christ intercedes for her, and as Christ himself said and I quoted above, works don't matter.
She certainly had faith in something but it's painfully clear the faith Paul was talking about is faith in CHRIST.
Read the context. Instead of looking at it out of context, read the context. "Do unto others" is the theme of this part of his sermon.
Revelation 2:2, "I know that you cannot tolerate wicked people, that you have tested those who claim to be apostles but are not, and have found them false"
Commended for questioning the claims of people.
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