Yes, you did not dispute the Passive because you did not focus on it, or perhaps did pay attention to it, then saw the implications don't suit you, so you thought you would say nothing and get away with it. But of course, how would i or any of us know? My guess is still you did not notice the Passive like you did not notice the other things I had to point out.
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Yes, you did not dispute the Passive because you did not focus on it, or perhaps did pay attention to it, then saw the implications don't suit you, so you thought you would say nothing and get away with it. But of course, how would i or any of us know? My guess is still you did not notice the Passive like you did not notice the other things I had to point out.
Wow, ignorance does not know the limits of its audacity, that it isn't limitless but utterly limited.
phweeeeeew[*] ... the likes of neither I nor anyone has ever seen.
[* Someone's bubble popped.]
As far as scholarship regarding Biblical Greek is concerned, <scholarship> from the twentieth century got so conceited and bloated, it reached the point illustrated right here where its escaped gas is more than enough to cause pandemic malignant catarrhal fever virus infection.
You got that right! You just blew past the facts and had no intelligible rebuttal.
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Both are entirely true. They follow the "now but not yet" principle. We can have assurance of salvation now as the title deed of our inheritance in Christ. It is the seal of the Spirit that assures us of the final possession of our salvation when Jesus comes again.
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What!!
Are you saying that the translation team which included the best Greek and Latin scholars in the world at the time did not know enough Greek to make a viable translation??
Laughable!
Hidden In Him
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Gerhard, I'm going to give you a straight answer. Maybe you will get to know me a little better as a result. If not, God will be my witness when you stand before Him.
I am not the least impressed when I see people spouting needless information just to make themselves look intelligent. In fact, to me it suggests I am reading someone who not only has pride issues but cannot focus on making a point because they are so scatterbrained that they are more than likely totally incapable of it. And since it irritates me beyond belief sometimes, I do NOT do so when I post things to others myself, because I am commanded to do unto others as I would have them do unto me.
Believe me, Or am I still an idiot who didn't notice "it all"?
Hidden In Him
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Absolutely. I'm not OSAS, but if you are I would at least agree that the believer can walk in a complete assurance of salvation; not a guarantee of it, mind you, but an assurance, a confidence before God, and one that does not diminish with time but grows stronger every day as he grows ever closer to Him.
Thanks for the post. I appreciate it.
There's no possibility for an <intelligible rebuttal> where there's no intelligence. The audacity of ignorance .....! Whatever you said was not worth any rebuttal--, that I'll admit.
Believe you while I don't understand you? Or am I an idiot who didn't notice, WHAT, at all?
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Yes, one can be interpreted that we are OSAS and "not being under the law" means we are free from the law and will not lose our salvation no matter how much we sin.
The other means we must follow the commandments of Jesus continuously.
Which do you prefer?
It's not a question of our preference, but what the Bible says.
Matthew 24:13, "But he who endures to the end shall be saved." The Lord Jesus will not lose one of those whom the Father has given Him (John 6:39 etc.), but it is still necessary that they endure.
CharismaticLady
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Careful. The key phrase is "the Father has given Him." Those were the twelve disciples, including Judas, but he wasn't given to Jesus to be saved, but to fulfill Scripture. There are other verses with "given Him" in them that also refer to the disciples. And following His prayer for the disciples, Jesus also prays for those who believe their words about Jesus by their own choice.
Besides Israel, the disciples were the only ones predestined. All others were by foreknowledge. Read all your pet verses, and watch for where it is the Father who is giving to Jesus.
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The KJV is the only trustworthy version in our English language. The rest are counterfeits. They are biased and will cause doctrinal errors.,
This verse was given to Israel....they had to endure through the tribulation to enter the kingdom on earth.
This is off topic, so I will not argue over it, but declare it just the once.
John 6:37. 'All that the Father gives Me will come to Me.........' 'Will come.' The Apostles had already come. All the elect of the Father were given to the Son in eternity (Ephesians 1:4-6) and the Lord Jesus will not lose one of them. They will come, stand before the throne and declare, 'salvation belongs [not to us but] to our God who sits upon the throne, and to the Lamb.'
'.......And the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out.' Let no one say that he is not elect unless he has been up to heaven, had a look at the Book of Life and seen his name missing there. All others - thieves, swindlers, murderers, child molesters, Moslem suicide bombers, come to Christ! He will not cast you out.
However, coming to Christ means more than believing that there was such a person as Jesus of Nazareth who lived a long time ago and did a lot of good stuff. It means seeing yourself as a lost sinner, rightly under the condemnation of a thrice-holy God; turning away from your sins and laying hold of Christ as a drowning man might lay hold of a life-jacket, trusting in nothing else but His blood shed upon the cross to save you. Such a faith is God-given, the work of the Holy Spirit, that we should do the works that He prepared for us.
Therefore on the one hand, believers can never lose their salvation, and on the other hand they must and will persevere to the end. If they do not, it is because they never truly trusted in Christ.
John 6:37. 'All that the Father gives Me will come to Me.........' 'Will come.' The Apostles had already come. All the elect of the Father were given to the Son in eternity (Ephesians 1:4-6) and the Lord Jesus will not lose one of them. They will come, stand before the throne and declare, 'salvation belongs [not to us but] to our God who sits upon the throne, and to the Lamb.'
'.......And the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out.' Let no one say that he is not elect unless he has been up to heaven, had a look at the Book of Life and seen his name missing there. All others - thieves, swindlers, murderers, child molesters, Moslem suicide bombers, come to Christ! He will not cast you out.
However, coming to Christ means more than believing that there was such a person as Jesus of Nazareth who lived a long time ago and did a lot of good stuff. It means seeing yourself as a lost sinner, rightly under the condemnation of a thrice-holy God; turning away from your sins and laying hold of Christ as a drowning man might lay hold of a life-jacket, trusting in nothing else but His blood shed upon the cross to save you. Such a faith is God-given, the work of the Holy Spirit, that we should do the works that He prepared for us.
Therefore on the one hand, believers can never lose their salvation, and on the other hand they must and will persevere to the end. If they do not, it is because they never truly trusted in Christ.
Absolutely not! 'And when they had preached the gospel to that city [Derbe] and made many disciples, they returned to Lystra, Iconium and Antioch, strengthening the souls of the disciples, exhorting them to continue in the faith, and saying, "We must through many tribulations enter the kingdom of God."'
These were Gentile cities, with predominately Gentile disciples, yet they were still exhorted to continue in the faith and warned that they must pass through many tribulations. There is only one people of God - believing Jew and believing Gentile together (Ephesians 2:11-22). What God has joined together, let not dispensationalism separate.
For as long as we are "IN CHRIST" <<we are free from the law>> like in OT times for as long as one was in the sanctuary holding fast to the altar, he was free from the Law. Which never meant <<we are free from the law>> because there is no Law or that the Law became superfluous and useless and powerless, BUT EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE, that the moment one would not be "IN HIM", Christ, the Law will instantly be there and condemn you (according to the belief system of free-will). Thank God the True Faith of Jesus Christ means OSAS, that confirms BOTH Grace and Law-- the Grace of GOD and the Law, OF GOD--, not any priceless and therefore Law-less redemption or salvation. To be "IN CHRIST" OSAS is no cheap, fake religion of self-deception.
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