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Discussion in 'Bible Study Forum' started by Anthony D'Arienzo, Jul 22, 2019.

  1. John Caldwell

    John Caldwell Well-Known Member

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    I do not understand why you think the belief that all is predestined to unfold as God knows it will is mind control. It is not clairvoyance (God does not look through the corridors of time) but omniscience (God is "all knowing").

    If the belief that events (to include who believes and who does not) will occur as God knows they will occur holds me back from the truth then I will just be held back from the truth.

    I know Whom I have believed, and He is sufficient.
     
  2. Anthony D'Arienzo

    Anthony D'Arienzo Well-Known Member

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    That is not the biblical use of foreknowledge.
     
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    Grailhunter Well-Known Member

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    Only if you want...to talk to me...you will have to stop talking in circles. Yes God knows who will be saved...because of his power of clairvoyance, not the use of his power of predestination. You do not want to be standing in front of Christ, explaining He damned (predestined) people to hell from the beginning. Extremely offensive...more like Satan.
     
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    Grailhunter Well-Known Member

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    There is a big difference in knowing the future and controlling it.
     
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  5. John Caldwell

    John Caldwell Well-Known Member

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    Are you addressing me or one of the pups (one of the Reformed guys on the board)? If me, what comment made you think I believed we do not choose freely? (I'd be in the Edwardian side on Calvinism)
     
  6. Anthony D'Arienzo

    Anthony D'Arienzo Well-Known Member

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    Good observation GH,;)
     
  7. Anthony D'Arienzo

    Anthony D'Arienzo Well-Known Member

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    I am addressing you mister, and if you are one of the pups, you are one of the better pups. Yes God knows the future and no he does not control it.
     
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  9. Anthony D'Arienzo

    Anthony D'Arienzo Well-Known Member

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    As an impartial observer,:p He wants a straight answer. Everyone knows God knows who will be saved...He wants to know if God caused it to be, or was God a spectator?>
     
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    Grailhunter Well-Known Member

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    I did not say God is a spectator. He is involved with our lives. But he would never make his children puppets on a string.
     
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  11. Anthony D'Arienzo

    Anthony D'Arienzo Well-Known Member

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    Grailhunter,
    He is searching for a
    I know, you want clear answers I get it.
     
  12. Enoch111

    Enoch111 Well-Known Member

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    The biblical definition of foreknowledge is knowing things in advance (beforehand). You have created your own definition which is nonsense.

    Strong's Concordance
    prognósis: foreknowledge
    Original Word: πρόγνωσις, εως, ἡ
    Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
    Transliteration: prognósis
    Phonetic Spelling: (prog'-no-sis)
    Definition: foreknowledge
    Usage: foreknowledge, previous determination.


    Strong's Concordance
    proginóskó: to know beforehand
    Original Word: προγινώσκω
    Part of Speech: Verb
    Transliteration: proginóskó
    Phonetic Spelling: (prog-in-oce'-ko)
    Definition: to know beforehand
    Usage: I know beforehand, foreknow.


    Thayer's Greek Lexicon
    STRONGS NT 4267: προγινώσκω

    προγινώσκω; 2 aorist 3 person singular προέγνω; perfect passive participle προεγνωσμενος; to have knowledge of beforehand; to foreknow: namely,ταῦτα, 2 Peter 3:17, cf. 2 Peter 3:14, 16; τινα, Acts 26:5;οὕς προέγνω, whom he (God) foreknew, namely, that they would love him, or (with reference to what follows) whom he foreknew to be fit to be conformed to the likeness of his Son, Romans 8:29 (τῶν εἰς αὐτόν(Χριστόν) πιστεύειν προεγνωσμενων, Justin Martyr, dialog contr Trypho...
     
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  13. John Caldwell

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    That's the thing. I am not one if the pups. Calvism is not my gospel (TULIP does not even articuate the gospel message itself ).

    Scripture never says God controls men. In fact, Scripture tells us exactly the opposite. Our plans belong to us - but the outcome belongs to God.

    God is omniscient and has decreed by the act if creation that all will unfold as it is predetermined to unfold.
     
  14. Anthony D'Arienzo

    Anthony D'Arienzo Well-Known Member

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    nope, those verses are of whom God did foreknow, see the first 3 posts,
     
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    I agree. God is active but God does not violate our will. God desires that all will be saved, that none perish, and does not delight in the distruction of the wicked.
     
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    God is omniscient and has decreed by the act if creation that all will unfold as it is predetermined to unfold. You say...

    No truth in....decreed....or predetermined.....no puppet show. People have the power of choice and God knows those choices but does not interfere.
     
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    Anthony D'Arienzo Well-Known Member

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    Anthony D'Arienzo Well-Known Member

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    John Caldwell,

     
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    I disagree. All will occur as God knew -prior to creation - that it would occur.

    If it will happen a set way (in accord with God's foreknowledge) then it is predestined by definition.

    If God created knowing exactly what would unfold then it is decreed to occur in that way. It can happen no other way as established by the act of God creating.

    No one (except the pups) are saying God controlls us as a Puppet Master.

    You are barking up the wrong Calvinistic tree. I'm in in the Edwardian wood, not Camp Reformed.
     
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    Someone above said pick a verse and we will discuss it.
    Here goes--

    Ezekiel
    1 And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
    2 Son of man, set thy face toward Jerusalem, and drop thy word toward the holy places, and prophesy against the land of Israel,
    3 And say to the land of Israel, Thus saith the LORD; Behold, I am against thee, and will draw forth my sword out of his sheath, and will cut off from thee the righteous and the wicked.
    4 Seeing then that I will cut off from thee the righteous and the wicked, therefore shall my sword go forth out of his sheath against all flesh from the south to the north:
    7 And it shall be, when they say unto thee, Wherefore sighest thou? that thou shalt answer, For the tidings; because it cometh: and every heart shall melt, and all hands shall be feeble, and every spirit shall faint, and all knees shall be weak as water: behold, it cometh, and shall be brought to pass, saith the Lord GOD.
    9 Son of man, prophesy, and say, Thus saith the LORD; Say, A sword, a sword is sharpened, and also furbished:
    12 Cry and howl, son of man: for it shall be upon my people, it shall be upon all the princes of Israel: terrors by reason of the sword shall be upon my people: smite therefore upon thy thigh.
    13 Because it is a trial, and what if the sword contemn even the rod? it shall be no more, saith the Lord GOD.
    17 I will also smite mine hands together, and I will cause my fury to rest: I the LORD have said it.
    20 Appoint a way, that the sword may come to Rabbath of the Ammonites, and to Judah in Jerusalem the defenced.
    24 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because ye have made your iniquity to be remembered, in that your transgressions are discovered, so that in all your doings your sins do appear; because, I say, that ye are come to remembrance, ye shall be taken with the hand.
    25 And thou, profane wicked prince of Israel, whose day is come, when iniquity shall have an end,
    27 I will overturn, overturn, overturn, it: and it shall be no more, until he come whose right it is; and I will give it him.
    29 Whiles they see vanity unto thee, whiles they divine a lie unto thee, to bring thee upon the necks of them that are slain, of the wicked, whose day is come, when their iniquity shall have an end.
    30 Shall I cause it to return into his sheath? I will judge thee in the place where thou wast created, in the land of thy nativity.
    31 And I will pour out mine indignation upon thee, I will blow against thee in the fire of my wrath, and deliver thee into the hand of brutish men, and skilful to destroy.
    32 Thou shalt be for fuel to the fire; thy blood shall be in the midst of the land; thou shalt be no more remembered: for I the LORD have spoken it.

    According to a 2002 study by the Jewish Agency, "the number of Jews in the world is declining at an average of 50,000 per year."
    Jewish population by country - Wikipedia

    My question is; is the above prophesy coming true and can this be turned around-??
    :)-
     
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