Biblical Foreknowledge

[SovereignGrace]

I answered your Romans 1 verse you did not respond.expand post 635

She mentioned 1 Timothy 2, yet she has no idea how to exegete it...

ὁ δοὺς ἑαυτὸν ἀντίλυτρον ὑπὲρ πάντων, τὸ μαρτύριον καιροῖς ἰδίοις:

antilytron: which means to ransom.

To ransom someone is to buy them back. If the Christ literally ransomed everybody whoever lived, then everybody whoever lived would have been bought back, and universalism reigns supreme. Yet, we see many who die lost. So, if the Christ ransomed them, why did they die lost? Was it a shoddy work the Christ did upon the cross. Absolutely not!

 

[GodsGrace]

[/QUOTE]

You've begun a new habit...
post some cute cartoons and then run.

Could you please reconcile the two following
verses for us all?
Thanks.

John 6:44
44“No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him;


John 14:6
6Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.

 

[GodsGrace]

She mentioned 1 Timothy 2, yet she has no idea how to exegete it...

ὁ δοὺς ἑαυτὸν ἀντίλυτρον ὑπὲρ πάντων, τὸ μαρτύριον καιροῖς ἰδίοις:

antilytron: which means to ransom.

To ransom someone is to buy them back. If the Christ literally ransomed everybody whoever lived, then everybody whoever lived would have been bought back, and universalism reigns supreme. Yet, we see many who die lost. So, if the Christ ransomed them, why did they die lost? Was it a shoddy work the Christ did upon the cross. Absolutely not!

Instead of speaking between yourselves since it is much safer...

why not reply to me and find out how I exegete verses?
Do you think I post verses I cannot exegete?

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

="GodsGrace,

[John 6:44
44“No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him;]

All the Father has given to the Son, will come.These are the elect sheep.

John 14:6
6Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.[/QUOTE]

Those given by the Father come through Jesus the one mediator between God and man.
1tim2:5

 

[Grailhunter]

="GodsGrace,

[John 6:44
44“No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him;]

All the Father has given to the Son, will come.These are the elect sheep.

John 14:6
6Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.

Those given by the Father come through Jesus the one mediator between God and man.
1tim2:5[/QUOTE]

Your scriptures are good...it is the intent that is bad. Your beliefs put Satan out of work. You say sin is predestined by God.
And preach the damnation of the innocent.

 

[GodsGrace]

="GodsGrace,

[John 6:44
44“No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him;]

All the Father has given to the Son, will come.These are the elect sheep.

John 14:6
6Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.

Those given by the Father come through Jesus the one mediator between God and man.
1tim2:5[/QUOTE]
Firsts of all, and I've said this before...
If you don't TAG ME, I'll never see your reply.
I just happened to catch the above.

Just use the POST REPLY down at the bottom....
As to John 6:44 and John 14:6
you have explained them exactly the same way,,,
and yet they say exactly the opposite.

Here is your explanation:
1. All the Father has given to the Son, will come.These are the elect sheep.

2. Those given by the Father come through Jesus the one mediator between God and man.

So,,, What's the difference?

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

Those given by the Father come through Jesus the one mediator between God and man.
1tim2:5

Your scriptures are good...it is the intent that is bad. Your beliefs put Satan out of work. You say sin is predestined by God.
And preach the damnation of the innocent.[/QUOTE]
I suggested no such thing.
Are you obsessed with satan?
Address what I posted, do not post.

 

[GodsGrace]

Your scriptures are good...it is the intent that is bad. Your beliefs put Satan out of work. You say sin is predestined by God.
And preach the damnation of the innocent.
I suggested no such thing.
Are you obsessed with satan?
Address what I posted, do not post.

you REALLY need to learn how to work the quotes feature.
Take time to do this....your posts are extremely confusing.

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

The Father draws the elect to Jesus by the Spirit.
Jesus brings us to the Father in the heaven

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

you REALLY need to learn how to work the quotes feature.
Take time to do this....your posts are extremely confusing.

Who is that little hippie avatar on your page? Is it a second commandment violation?

 

[Grailhunter]

Your scriptures are good...it is the intent that is bad. Your beliefs put Satan out of work. You say sin is predestined by God.
And preach the damnation of the innocent.

I suggested no such thing.
Are you obsessed with satan?
Address what I posted, do not post.[/QUOTE]

so you are saying God does not predestine! Finally you say the truth!

 

[GodsGrace]

Who is that little hippie avatar on your page? Is it a second commandment violation?

HUH?
I don't know what you're talking about.
But, wow, you ARE a fruit inspector, aren't you?
Are all calvinists like this?

 

[GodsGrace]

I suggested no such thing.
Are you obsessed with satan?
Address what I posted, do not post.

so you are saying God does not predestine! Finally you say the truth![/QUOTE]
Amen GH.
Some don't even know what they espouse.
They say God predestined EVERYTHING...
but somehow He did not predestine murder, child abuse, rape, and all other sinning.
Very convenient, isn't it?
Take what one likes,,,discard the rest.
What a confusion that theology creates.

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

She mentioned 1 Timothy 2, yet she has no idea how to exegete it...

ὁ δοὺς ἑαυτὸν ἀντίλυτρον ὑπὲρ πάντων, τὸ μαρτύριον καιροῖς ἰδίοις:

antilytron: which means to ransom.

To ransom someone is to buy them back. If the Christ literally ransomed everybody whoever lived, then everybody whoever lived would have been bought back, and universalism reigns supreme. Yet, we see many who die lost. So, if the Christ ransomed them, why did they die lost? Was it a shoddy work the Christ did upon the cross. Absolutely not!

She has Roman's 5 all wrong

 

[John Caldwell]

HUH?
I don't know what you're talking about.
But, wow, you ARE a fruit inspector, aren't you?
Are all calvinists like this?

But what a fool believes he sees no wise man has the power to reason away.

 

[GodsGrace]

But what a fool believes he sees no wise man has the power to reason away.

Yeah.
I guess something
is better than nothing.

 

[John Caldwell]

Yeah.
I guess something
is better than nothing.

I was listening to the Doobie Brothers.

 

[John Caldwell]

Back the topic of the OP -

Calvinism holds "foreknowledge" to be prescience, that is God knowing something before it takes place (pre-knowledge). Calvinism bases this foreknowledge on the decree of God (God decreed something to occur so God knows it will occur. This is explained in detail in Institutes Book 3 ch 22.

The idea "foreknowledge" means something other than prescience is relatively new to Christianity. This is not Calvinistic doctrine but neo-Calvinism as some attempt to redefine words in an attempt to exclude competing soteriological theories.

That said, Calvinism was born in the 16th century and has seen its changes over the years. Historic Calvinism is pretty much dead and is being replaced with some form of neo-Calvinism anyway.

The scholars of the past (even competing scholars) like Luther, Calvin, Beza, Arminius, Whitefield and Wesley (to name a few) were more honest in dealing with Scripture than those who would come later. By "honest" I do not mean their conclusions were correct but that they strove to learn from the scriptures rather than shore up and defend provided theories.

The honest men of this generation are considered outcasts because they dare question the human establishment of whatever theological system they call home.

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

HUH?
I don't know what you're talking about.
But, wow, you ARE a fruit inspector, aren't you?
Are all calvinists like this?

What does the second commandment teach?
It does not mention fruit.
Most Calvinists obey the ten commandments.
You think they are commandments or suggestions?

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

The first three posts dispense with the common error of confusing prescience, with biblical foreknowledge.
Some try to redefine Calvinism to obscure the scriptural roots taught by Jesus and the Apostles. No need to be distracted by such speculation.