Bibliolatry: Worship/knowledge of the book MORE than the author

[St. SteVen]

See you there...

Did you prove my point? Seems so.

St. SteVen said:
It comes down to motive.
Is it to became closer to God? Or is it to equip themselves to argue doctrine with others and win?

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[Carl Emerson]

Did you prove my point? Seems so.

St. SteVen said:
It comes down to motive.
Is it to became closer to God? Or is it to equip themselves to argue doctrine with others and win?

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Was is wrong for Paul to go to Mars Hill ?

 

[Behold]

Likewise, when God
I am not online enough to know what everyone else believes, so I can't make that judgment.

Heresies are pretty simple, as found on Forums......so, its easy to find them.......if you know The Gospel.

See, The Cross of Christ......exposes Heretics and their heresies..

St Steven denies the Gospel, and teaches "another".... He teaches "UNIVERSALISM">... and Paul defines this as : Galatians 1:8

Still, you wouldn't marry a woman immediately after meeting even if you had been talking to her for five years online. Why?

With SKYPE and so forth....... by the 5th year online with someone you LOVE.......you know whom you are talking to, if you do it every day.
You've made the decision, and that is why you finally meet after 5 yrs.

Can this succeed?
Well, it has a better chance then 2 who are together 2 months....and have confused their SEX LIFE with Love, and are "in lust", and get married... after such a short time together.
And then 6 months later, after the lust has all died.......they are thinking...>>"who is this.....i married". "i want a divorce".

Because it's not an accurate depiction of a person. Similarly, is it equally irresponsible to judge a person's salvation based on posts on the internet?

Sorry, but you are wrong.

Listen.......Salvation is Jesus on The Cross, offering His Sacrifice to anyone who will trust Him, before you die . John 3:16

So, if this is denied, as the Gospel... then that person's salvation theology ., their Gospel.... is a lie.
its really that simple.
See, there is ONE GOSPEL......and its "justification by faith".....and..you have to be justified by God, based on your Faith in Christ... and forgiven your sin before you die., as you can't have this after you are dead and in Hell.
I do believe that you know this........dont you?...? ....and so, if you defend someone on a Forum who teaches that you dont have to become a born again Christian before you die to go to heaven..........because they teach that everyone goes to heaven in the end.........then you are defending a Cross Rejecting Deceiver.
And you dont want to be that one, @DuckieLady .

We are all learning until we die. It would not be responsible to hinder him.

Listen,

You are on a Thread that He posted that is 101 pages of His nonsense.
101 pages long.
Is he learning?
No, he's fighting tooth and nail, 101 pages into it because he is not here to learn........
He's not trying to learn....>>He trying to teach an opinion that can't be proven, that is simply designed to be offensive to people who love the word of God.

Actually its really just a guise.......See, He has animosity toward the bible, and has Threads to prove it and many many many posts......so, this Thread is really just trying to promote the corrupted idea that somehow the Bible, if its believed, if its someone's final authority, as it should be.....then this isn't what He can stand.. Which is why this Thread is 101 pages long with Him all over it, defending it... and tomorrow as well.

I see gentle correction.

You need to read where Jesus took rope, and made a WHIP....and went into the Temple in Jerusalem, and chased the people out with the WHIP... who were in it.....playing religious games.

You need to read where Jesus told a group, (and is referring to all unbelievers.).....when He said this..

'" You are of YOUR FATHER....THE DEVIL, and the lusts of YOUR FATHER, you shall Do".

So, one of the Lusts of the Devil is to deceive people away from the TRUE Gospel, by using other people to do it, who are teaching a False Gospel.

 

[Behold]

Did you prove my point? Seems so.

I posted that you teach a False Gospel that is designed to lead unbelievers into eternal damnation, and you are proud of it.
Aren't you?
If not, you'd stop.

You are the proof......as you teach a false Gospel...... and its the BIBLE that Judges you.....while you believe its me.

See you there.... next time.

Is it to became closer to God? Or is it to equip themselves to argue doctrine with others and win?

What is your "motive" when you are unable to prove that anyone worships the bible more of then they worship the God of The Bible and the Christ of the bible?
101 pages of your "motive" for anyone to witness as your discipleship.

 

[St. SteVen]

What is your "motive" when you are unable to prove that anyone worships the bible more of then they worship the God of The Bible and the Christ of the bible?

You show me nothing but disdain.
You bear false witness about me and spread lies about me, even when challenged.
You seem to be the perfect example of what @DuckieLady and I are discussing.

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[Carl Emerson]

Heresies are pretty simple, as found on Forums......so, its easy to find them.......if you know The Gospel.

See, The Cross of Christ......exposes Heretics and their heresies..

St Steven denies the Gospel, and teaches "another".... He teaches "UNIVERSALISM">... and Paul defines this as : Galatians 1:8




With SKYPE and so forth....... by the 5th year online with someone you LOVE.......you know whom you are talking to, if you do it every day.
You've made the decision, and that is why you finally meet after 5 yrs.

Can this succeed?
Well, it has a better chance then 2 who are together 2 months....and have confused their SEX LIFE with Love, and are "in lust", and get married... after such a short time together.
And then 6 months later, after the lust has all died.......they are thinking...>>"who is this.....i married". "i want a divorce".



Sorry, but you are wrong.

Listen.......Salvation is Jesus on The Cross, offering His Sacrifice to anyone who will trust Him, before you die . John 3:16

So, if this is denied, as the Gospel... then that person's salvation theology ., their Gospel.... is a lie.
its really that simple.
See, there is ONE GOSPEL......and its "justification by faith".....and..you have to be justified by God, based on your Faith in Christ... and forgiven your sin before you die., as you can't have this after you are dead and in Hell.
I do believe that you know this........dont you?...? ....and so, if you defend someone on a Forum who teaches that you dont have to become a born again Christian before you die to go to heaven..........because they teach that everyone goes to heaven in the end.........then you are defending a Cross Rejecting Deceiver.
And you dont want to be that one, @DuckieLady .



Listen,

You are on a Thread that He posted that is 101 pages of His nonsense.
101 pages long.
Is he learning?
No, he's fighting tooth and nail, 101 pages into it because he is not here to learn........
He's not trying to learn....>>He trying to teach an opinion that can't be proven, that is simply designed to be offensive to people who love the word of God.

Actually its really just a guise.......See, He has animosity toward the bible, and has Threads to prove it and many many many posts......so, this Thread is really just trying to promote the corrupted idea that somehow the Bible, if its believed, if its someone's final authority, as it should be.....then this isn't what He can stand.. Which is why this Thread is 101 pages long with Him all over it, defending it... and tomorrow as well.



You need to read where Jesus took rope, and made a WHIP....and went into the Temple in Jerusalem, and chased the people out with the WHIP... who were in it.....playing religious games.

You need to read where Jesus told a group, (and is referring to all unbelievers.).....when He said this..

'" You are of YOUR FATHER....THE DEVIL, and the lusts of YOUR FATHER, you shall Do".

So, one of the Lusts of the Devil is to deceive people away from the TRUE Gospel, by using other people to do it, who teaching a False Gospel.

Our friend may be deceived, but our commission is to preserve the unity of the Spirit in the bonds of peace. We are all deeived about some something - no one has it all correct.

What I hear is that our friend is being considered a son of the devil.

 

[GRACE ambassador]

op: Bibliolatry?

1) Ok, those who accuse me win, like I said [ Guilty! as charged ] previously. However,

God's Word Of Truth Is Very Clear About obedience, is It not?:​

"And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself ​

and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think ​

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above That Which Is Written, [ hence, the Bible study: Handling The Word Of Life ]​

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that no one of you be puffed up for one against another." (1 Corinthians 4:6 AV)​

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2) As to the 'last part' of the above verse, why is it that those who insist on keeping 'heretical' discussions
going to "no useful end" other than "biting and devouring one another", by "continuous" posting, when, if
the 'heretic' does not have God's Sound Doctrine [ The Revelation Of The Mystery ( not 'seen' yet? # ) ],
and it is realized after a couple of posts, then why not simply obey God's Commands About such?:

"Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary​

to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them...{ lutr *}" (Romans 16:17-18 AV)​

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"A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;... { lutr *}" (Titus 3:10-11 AV)​

{ why keep on "bashing them over the head!" ??? }​

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Seems to me more obedience to God would be less/no more discussion and they would 'lose interest' with
"no one to talk to", eh? But The Caveat Is: God Desires us to rather "pray for them", Correct?

Amen.

* lutr = look up the rest

# Ephesians 3:9 AV

 

[shepherdsword]

I have encountered some that I thought had fallen into this trap.

I asked them, "What would become of your faith if you put your whole library out on the curb on trash day?"
The guilty are left mostly speechless. Or, alternatively VERY angry. How come?

How come? Maybe because of the investment involved. Bookburning is a sure sign of despotic oversight.

To be clear, I love the Bible and use it every day. But I know the difference between the book and the author.
In my experience, my relationship with the author is much more important than my relationship with the book.
Appropriate scriptures come to my mind all day long. Due to the work of the Spirit to quicken these things to my memory.

The Bible is not omniscient. (all knowing)
The Bible is not omnipresent. (everywhere present)
The Bible is not omnipotent. (all powerful)

Who has ever made this claim? There is a big difference between accepting the bible as inspired and worshipping it as divine.

The Bible does NOT love me.
It's paper and ink, maybe a leather cover. (or digital info)
That cow didn't die to pay my sin debt.

This is sheer posturing by the logical fallacy of false analogy. No one has ever personified the bible as dying for sin or loving anyone.

A true Bibliolator will demand chapter and verse to support my premise. - LOL

The bottom line:
Let's use the Bible to grow closer to God and each other, rather than as a weapon to destroy each other.

Jude instructed us to contend for the faith once delivered to the saints. Opposing deception and damnable heresies is a necessity. Granted, we need to speak the truth in love and keep a humble heart.

John 13:35 NIV
By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”

There is truth here

 

[One 2 question]

Any spirit that would lead you away from the Bible is not a spirit coming from the Lord.

This idea is evident throughout the Bible.

For others sake you might want to give some specifics.

I'm happy for you.

Thanks

 

[Behold]

Our friend may be deceived, but our commission is to preserve the unity of the Spirit in the bonds of peace.

Paul teaches your verse as ... "as much as possible" and this is not related to being a willingly deceived supporter of people on forums whose False Gospel, denies the Cross and tries to lead people into Hell, @Carl Emerson

You seem to be infected with Blind Tolerance that you have misunderstood as "love your neighbor as yourself".

Guess again.

We are not to "like" or "accept", or "defend" what God rejects, and God rejects a false Gospel, universally, including it being taught on what it titled a "christian forum"..

Your commission is to Love God with all your heart, and serve Him with all your life.
This is your discipleship.
And to do this, you are to learn Paul's doctrine, and obey the NT, and that means when you read Titus 3:10...... you recognize that this isn't a misprint or a bad Translation.........

 

[Behold]

You show me nothing but disdain.

What i show you, is that your false Gospel.......that teaches that sinners, never born again, are going to heaven, is a Cross Rejecting Lie.

You bear false witness about me and spread lies about me, even when challenged.

Come and tell the members here that when i say, that what you teach......as Unversalism......does not teach that everyone is going to heaven....

 

[St. SteVen]

St. SteVen said:
You show me nothing but disdain.

What i show you, is that your false Gospel.......that teaches that sinners, never born again, are going to heaven, is a Cross Rejecting Lie.

On the contrary.
Universalism teaches that the Atonement was a complete work.

1 John 2:2 NIV
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

St. SteVen said:
You bear false witness about me and spread lies about me, even when challenged.

Come and tell the members here that when i say, that what you teach......as Unversalism......does not teach that everyone is going to heaven....

This proves your ignorance about UR.
Universalism supports a final judgment. No one gets a free pass into heaven.
Everyone will face an evaluation of their deeds. Even you.
There will be an Age for evaluation, correction, restoration and redemption.

The restoration of all things

Matt 19:28
Jesus said to them, "Truly I tell you, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Acts 3:21
Heaven must receive him until the time comes for God to restore everything, as he promised long ago through his holy prophets.

Rom 8:20-21
For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of him who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to corruption and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God.

Romans 5:10
For if, while we were God’s enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life!

Romans 11:36
For from him and through him and for him are all things. To him be the glory forever! Amen.

Isa 65:17
"See, I will create new heavens and a new earth. The former things will not be remembered, nor will they come to mind.

Rev 21:5
He who was seated on the throne said, "I am making everything new!"

Malachi 3:2
But who can endure the day of his coming? Who can stand when he appears? For he will be like a refiner’s fire or a launderer’s soap.

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[Behold]

St. SteVen said:
On the contrary.
Universalism teaches that the Atonement was a complete work.

Christ has paid for the sin of the world........one believer at a time.

"its the will of God, that you believe on Jesus, whom God sent".

Jesus said...>"all who BELIEVE in me, i give unto them Eternal life".

Paul teaches....>>"All who call on the name of Jesus, believing, shall be saved".

John teaches....."That whosoever Believes, shall not go to Hell, but HAS eternal life".

So, that is Jesus and 2 Apostles and God, who all say you have to BELIEVE......to become a Christian.

Your false demonic Gospel, that you teach, denies the "BELIEVING" while you are alive on this EARTH.........and that is what God requires before He will give you His Salvation that was completed on The Cross of Christ.

Universalism = ....no trusting in Christ necessary while they are on earth.

You are sending unbelievers to Hell, with your false Gospel.
I wonder what that total number is going to be @St. SteVen ?

St. SteVen said:
You bear false witness about me and spread lies about me, even when challenged.

Oh, i would never do that to such a devoutly religious person like you, @St. SteVen
All i do is highlight your own teaching......that is stated in your posts and Threads, as the never ending problem with your cult theology.
Its pretty simple to do, as there is so much false in them., and because you come so very often to the Forum to keep bumping up you old dead Threads, that just provides more to expose.

You are welcome to provide a quote by me, vs just repeating. (deflecting)....>>"this is what you are doing".

This proves your ignorance about UR.

Universalism is a False Gospel.

See Galatians 1:8

Universalism supports a final judgment. No one gets a free pass into heaven.

Universalism removes "trusting in Christ"and being "born again".... while you are on the earth, from its FALSE Gospel.

 

[Carl Emerson]

You seem to be infected with Blind Tolerance that you have misunderstood as "love your neighbor as yourself".

No so... I have challenged Steve's position consistently.

You must be aware that influential writers like C.S.Lewis held to a UR doctrine as did many respected church fathers.

Make no mistake I don't agree with UR - but unlike you I think Loving Reason is better than a whip.

 

[Lambano]

On the contrary.
Universalism teaches that the Atonement was a complete work.

1 John 2:2 NIV
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

This one will get me into trouble, but...

The Atonement is not an efficacious work. Atonement, like any other Sacrament such as Baptism and the Eucharist, is an outward and visible sign of a spiritual reality. In this case, it is God giving us the sign of His spiritual reality.

We can choose by faith to participate in that reality - or not. When we participate in that reality, when we say "I have been crucified with Christ, I no longer live, but Christ lives in me, and the life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.", then we can say "The blood of Jesus, His Son, cleanses us from all sins" (1 John 1:7) or "By His stripes we are healed" (Isaiah 53:5).

 

[St. SteVen]

The Atonement is not an efficacious work. Atonement, like any other Sacrament such as Baptism and the Eucharist, is an outward and visible sign of a spiritual reality. In this case, it is God giving us the sign of His spiritual reality.

That's a curious view.
As I understand it, Jesus paid the death penalty for our sin. (paid in full)
How can that NOT be efficacious? Was there something incomplete in the work?

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[Behold]

No so... I have challenged Steve's position consistently.

Yes, and you are challenging his false Gospel, because you know its not THE Gospel, and Galatians teaches us that the gospel that @St. SteVen is using to try to deceive.........is not of God.

So, when we deny heresy, by standing against it......we are always Right, as God would have it no other way..
Now could He?

Now, in these end times, when carnal chrisitanity is most of it....then you have a type of "social justice" warrior failed Chrisitan discipleship mentality.........that wants to always defend what offends God;...by saying....."well, we have to be accepting....we have to show LOVE".

And in fact, we are to show TRUTH, as that is LOVE.........vs, following emotional feelings and worrying about allowing Heresy to have its place to exist, right along with the Truth.

You must be aware that influential writers like C.S.Lewis held to a UR doctrine as did many respected church fathers.

Where a Doctrine exit's Paul's Doctrine.......is where we are to firmly resist it.

I personally enjoy a lot of what CS Lewis Teaches.. I have caused countless people to go and buy "The Screwtape Letters"........but, he had some issues......emotional issues, related to some personal tragedy, and this often leads these type religious people to adopt a "God wont send anyone to Hell"... false theology.

The Reality is........Hell and Heaven, are eternal destinations, and we choose one by becoming a Christian, or we choose the other by not becoming a Born again, on this earth, Christian.

All God does, is respect our Choice, NOW and After we die.
So, that is not "being sent to hell by an angry God"......that is "God allows my Free Will to dictate where i ended up, after i DIED".

See, in eternity, the question is.....>"What Have YOU Done.. with my SON">"......and that eternal question separates Hell from Heaven, regarding where everyone had the opportunity to go, after they died.
See, once you die, you die having chosen where you end up, and there is no 2nd Chance in Hell to be born again.
So, the false gospel people, try to get rid of Hell, also... most of the time.

Make no mistake I don't agree with UR - but unlike you I think Loving Reason is better than a whip.

I dont use a Whip.
I use The Cross of Christ that exposes what insults it.
You want me to massage the feelings of Forum Cross Rejectors who teach what can send an unbeliever to Hell,.. and that's not going to happen. @Carl Emerson .
Forums already have enough like you who accept them, defend their right to LIE and DECEIVE........so, they dont need yet another one.

See me now?

 

[Behold]

That's a curious view.
As I understand it, Jesus paid the death penalty for our sin. (paid in full)

Jesus paid for the sin of the world...........one born again Believer.....at a time.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Yes, and you are challenging his false Gospel, because you know its not THE Gospel, and Galatians teaches us that the gospel that @St. SteVen is using to try to deceive.........is not of God.

So, when we deny heresy, by standing against it......we are always Right, as God would have it no other way..
Now could He?

Now, in these end times, when carnal chrisitanity is most of it....then you have a type of "social justice" warrior failed Chrisitan discipleship mentality.........that wants to always defend what offends God;...by saying....."well, we have to be accepting....we have to show LOVE".

And in fact, we are to show TRUTH, as that is LOVE.........vs, following emotional feelings and worrying about allowing Heresy to have its place to exist, right along with the Truth.



Where a Doctrine exit's Paul's Doctrine.......is where we are to firmly resist it.

I personally enjoy a lot of what CS Lewis Teaches.. I have caused countless people to go and buy "The Screwtape Letters"........but, he had some issues......emotional issues, related to some personal tragedy, and this often leads these type religious people to adopt a "God wont send anyone to Hell"... false theology.

The Reality is........Hell and Heaven, are eternal destinations, and we choose one by becoming a Christian, or we choose the other by not becoming a Born again, on this earth, Christian.

All God does, is respect our Choice, NOW and After we die.
So, that is not "being sent to hell by an angry God"......that is "God allows my Free Will to dictate where i ended up, after i DIED".

See, in eternity, the question is.....>"What Have YOU Done.. with my SON">"......and that eternal question separates Hell from Heaven, regarding where everyone had the opportunity to go, after they died.
See, once you die, you die having chosen where you end up, and there is no 2nd Chance in Hell to be born again.
So, the false gospel people, try to get rid of Hell, also... most of the time.



I dont use a Whip.
I use The Cross of Christ that exposes what insults it.
You want me to massage the feelings of Forum Cross Rejectors who teach what can send an unbeliever to Hell,.. and that's not going to happen. @Carl Emerson .
Forums already have enough like you who accept them, defend their right to LIE and DECEIVE........so, they dont need yet another one.

See me now?

I concur with the Gospel as you do, however I apply the rule that is clearly spelled out in 2 Tim 2

24 And the Lord's servant must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil,
25 correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth,
26 and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, after being captured by him to do his will.

Frankly I don't see you doing this...

 

[Lambano]

Jesus paid for the sin of the world...........one born again Believer.....at a time.

Then the Calvinists were right, that Jesus did NOT pay for the sins of those who never believe?