Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

[Truth7t7]

Obviously, you don't think Revelation is chronological from start to finish, the fact you interpret ch 19 and 20 in the manner you do.

Yes the book of Revelation sees many parallel teachings of the same event, it's not chronological as dispensationalism falsely teaches

In your mind, why can there be parallels between ch 19 and 20 but there can't be any parallels between the first 6 seals and the 7 trumpets? How do you fail to connect the 6th seal with that of Matthew 24:29? As of that verse in Matthew 24, how can we be in the time of trumpets 1-7 between verse 29 and 30 in Matthew 24?

That there is a gap of 7 trumpets between verse 29 and 30

I Strongly Disagree, scripture clearly teaches after the 7th seal is opened, the angels are given the 7 Trumps, simple, clear, easy to understand

where we already know, for example, that trumpet 6 involves at least 3.5 years, since the 2Ws are testifying during the 6th trumpet. And that's not even taking the 42 month reign of the beast into consideration since some of us conclude the 2Ws are allotted their 3.5 years. Then when that is finished, the beast is allotted it's 3.5 years. Per this scenario that would mean there is at least 7 years between Matthew 24:29 and verse 30 if all 7 trumpets are post the 6th seal.

The two witnesses and the beast will be on this earth at the very same time, this time is seen in parallel not chronological, as Rev Chapter 11 clearly teaches, the beast kills the two witnesses, they lay dead for 3.5 days in Jerusalem Rev 11:7-8, then they're raised to heaven, the same hour the Great earthquake, 2nd woe is past Rev 11:11-14 and the 3rd woe comes quickly in the 7th Trump sounding Rev 11:15 and the final judgement takes place Rev 11:18 (The End)

Conclusion: the two witnesses are on this earth for the very same time frame of 3.5 years, not 7 years as dispensationaism falsely teaches

And clearly, Matthew 24:29 is meaning the 6th seal in Revelation 6. And clearly, both, the time of the 2Ws and the time of the beast, are involving the time of the 6th trumpet. Granted, maybe the allotted time for the 2Ws and the beast is not meaning the literal amount specified. That maybe it's even meaning more than the amount specified. Which would then make this gap this causes between verse 29 and 30 even greater if there is a gap of 7 trumpets between verse 29 and 30 in Matthew 24.. You can't argue one way in Revelation then in an entirely different manner in Matthew 24. Either the 7 trumpets fit during the first 6 seals or they fit after. You can't have it both ways.

I'm pondering the response to your questions and claims above, a closer look and study, I'll get back to this one, going out to eat

 

[Davidpt]

because the 7 angels are not given the 7 trumpets until the 7th seal is opened.

1When the Lamb opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about half an hour. 2And I saw the seven angels who stand before God, and seven trumpets were given to them

Do you agree or disagree that Revelation 6 and the 6th seal is involving the same time period and same events as Matthew 24:29? It doesn't matter how you interpret the 6th seal. That is irrelevant. What is relevant is the question I just asked.

In your view, between verse 29 and 30, how much time do you think elapses before verse 30 begins to be fulfilled? If it were to involve years between verse 29 and 30, would that be reasonable per your view of these 2 verses? If you disagree that Revelation 6 and the 6th seal is involving the same time period and same events as Matthew 24:29, that means these questions in this paragraph are moot, in that case.

Revelation 9:13 And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God,
Revelation 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

One thing that seems obvious, from the time of trumpet 1 until the time of trumpet 7, it is involving 3.5 years minimum. 3.5 literal years, though? Or 3.5 years symbolizing a much longer period of time? Obviously as well, in chapter 11 we are still in the time of the 6th trumpet the fact it is in chapter 11 that the 7th trumpet sounds.

Either way, if the 6th trumpet follows Matthew 24:29, and that Matthew 24:29 involves the 6th seal, that means one has put at least 3.5 years, maybe even more, depending on other factors, such as the reign of the beast, and that maybe none of the amount of months specified are literally meaning that amount, thus could be meaning even more than the amount specified, between that of verse 29 and 30.