Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

[Truth7t7]

Obviously, you don't think Revelation is chronological from start to finish, the fact you interpret ch 19 and 20 in the manner you do.

Yes the book of Revelation sees many parallel teachings of the same event, it's not chronological as dispensationalism falsely teaches

In your mind, why can there be parallels between ch 19 and 20 but there can't be any parallels between the first 6 seals and the 7 trumpets? How do you fail to connect the 6th seal with that of Matthew 24:29? As of that verse in Matthew 24, how can we be in the time of trumpets 1-7 between verse 29 and 30 in Matthew 24?

That there is a gap of 7 trumpets between verse 29 and 30

I Strongly Disagree, scripture clearly teaches after the 7th seal is opened, the angels are given the 7 Trumps, simple, clear, easy to understand

where we already know, for example, that trumpet 6 involves at least 3.5 years, since the 2Ws are testifying during the 6th trumpet. And that's not even taking the 42 month reign of the beast into consideration since some of us conclude the 2Ws are allotted their 3.5 years. Then when that is finished, the beast is allotted it's 3.5 years. Per this scenario that would mean there is at least 7 years between Matthew 24:29 and verse 30 if all 7 trumpets are post the 6th seal.

The two witnesses and the beast will be on this earth at the very same time, this time is seen in parallel not chronological, as Rev Chapter 11 clearly teaches, the beast kills the two witnesses, they lay dead for 3.5 days in Jerusalem Rev 11:7-8, then they're raised to heaven, the same hour the Great earthquake, 2nd woe is past Rev 11:11-14 and the 3rd woe comes quickly in the 7th Trump sounding Rev 11:15 and the final judgement takes place Rev 11:18 (The End)

Conclusion: the two witnesses are on this earth for the very same time frame of 3.5 years, not 7 years as dispensationaism falsely teaches

And clearly, Matthew 24:29 is meaning the 6th seal in Revelation 6. And clearly, both, the time of the 2Ws and the time of the beast, are involving the time of the 6th trumpet. Granted, maybe the allotted time for the 2Ws and the beast is not meaning the literal amount specified. That maybe it's even meaning more than the amount specified. Which would then make this gap this causes between verse 29 and 30 even greater if there is a gap of 7 trumpets between verse 29 and 30 in Matthew 24.. You can't argue one way in Revelation then in an entirely different manner in Matthew 24. Either the 7 trumpets fit during the first 6 seals or they fit after. You can't have it both ways.

I'm pondering the response to your questions and claims above, a closer look and study, I'll get back to this one, going out to eat

 

[Davidpt]

because the 7 angels are not given the 7 trumpets until the 7th seal is opened.

1When the Lamb opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about half an hour. 2And I saw the seven angels who stand before God, and seven trumpets were given to them

Do you agree or disagree that the sixth seal in Revelation 6 is describing the same time period and events as Matthew 24:29? I'm not asking how you interpret the sixth seal itself. That isn't the issue here. The only question is whether you believe those passages are parallel.

If you do believe they are parallel, then how much time do you think elapses between Matthew 24:29 and 24:30? In your view, would it be reasonable for years to pass between those two verses? If you don't believe Revelation 6 and the 6th seal and Matthew 24:29 are parallel, then these questions are moot, obviously.

Now consider Revelation 11:3:

And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

From the trumpet judgments, it appears that the period from the first trumpet to the seventh trumpet spans at least the 1,260 days associated with the ministry of the two witnesses. Whether those 1,260 days are literal or symbolic is a separate question. Even if they are symbolic, they still represent an extended period of time rather than an immediate transition.

So if the sixth trumpet comes before the seventh trumpet, and if the sixth seal corresponds to Matthew 24:29, then placing the seventh trumpet after the opening of the seventh seal appears to require inserting at least 3½ years---and perhaps much longer if the time periods are symbolic---between Matthew 24:29 and Matthew 24:30.

How do you reconcile that with the apparent flow of Matthew 24:29-30, where verse 30 seems to follow immediately after verse 29?

Here is where I see a structural problem with a strictly sequential view (Seals 1-6, then Trumpets 1-7). Thus I'm somewhat repeating myself here.

If the 6th Seal = Matthew 24:29, and one places the entire Trumpet sequence after the 6th seal in the book of Revelation, one is then forced to insert a minimum of 3.5 years between Matthew 24:29 and Matthew 24:30. Furthermore, if the months mentioned in Revelation are symbolic of longer periods, or if we have to factor in the reign of the beast, that gap could be pushed even longer.

Does it seem exegetically sound to you to insert a multi-year gap containing the entire Trumpet series plus the beast's reign between two consecutive verses in Matthew 24?