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  1. BreadOfLife

    BreadOfLife Well-Known Member

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    The verse you presented (1 Cor. 15) once again PROVES Christ's humanity.
    "MAN" refers to humanity.

    And your heresy is NOT new.
    Docetism, as it is called, was the Early Church heresy that denied Christ's humanity. it was rejected and defeated at the Council of Nicaea in 325.

    So - YOU'RE about 1700 years too late with your false ideas about Christ . . .
     
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    Taken Well-Known Member

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    YOUR PROBLEM IS...YOU think EVERYTHING regarding a Discussion of Scripture "FOR YOU"... AND "EVERYONE ELSE" is Confined solely "TO YOUR UNDERSTANDING."

    YOU "SPEAK for Other people, then BASED ON WHAT "YOU SAY", YOU then call them Wrong, call them Names .... WITHOUT A LICK OF PROOF that IS what the other person has SAID OR BELIEVES.

    "EARTHY" man is a SPECIFIC "KIND" of man.
    He IS A "CREATED" MAN.
    He IS "CREATED" of the DUST of the EARTH.
    He IS CALLED a "HUMAN" MAN.
    His BODY DIES, and RETURNS TO DUST!


    SPIRITS have the POWER TO APPEAR;
    AS A "MAN".
    WILL be "SEEN" by "HUMANS", as a "MAN".
    WILL be "CALLED" "A MAN", by "HUMANS".
    THEY ARE STILL "SPIRITS".
    THEY ARE "NOT" "HUMANS".


    Angels are "CREATED" spirits.
    THEY have the "POWER" to "APPEAR" as a man.
    God IS "NOT CREATED".
    God IS Thee "SOURCE OF ALL POWER."
    God CAN, HAS, "APPEARED" as a man, and BEEN CALLLED a "MAN".
    God IS "NOT a CREATED HUMAN".
    God DID NOT Come "OUT" of the Dust of a Created Earth.
    God DOES NOT Return "TO" the Dust of a Created Earth.

    YOU make FALSE ACCUSATIONS, as you have repeatedly done, and thus made yourself a "reputation" for that to be EXPECTED of you.

    You follow what YOU have been Taught, that is NOT what Scripture teaches.

    YOUR own choice of "modern revised Scriptures" "CHANGED"... From JESUS being manifested "in the LIKENESS AS A MAN"...
    "TO" EXPRESSLY, "MAKING" Jesus...
    A HUMAN MAN .

    SCRIPTURE itself, NEVER calls JESUS a "HUMAN" kind of man.

    Your silly remarks that God "IS" a "HUMAN" because He displayed the SAME behaviors (humanities ) as a HUMAN is laughable.

    Scripture teaches GOD HIMSELF was MANIFESTED IN THE "LIKENESS" as an "EARTHLY" man, and absolutely DID taken on the characteristics of an "EARTHLY" man, and was "CALLED a Man".

    YOU...teach, God "IS" a Human.
    Scripture Doesn't.

    LOL... You forgot to identify, my supposed "false ideas"...and the Scripture that my IDEA is in conflict with.

    And you are off AGAIN on a tangent, that is not a POINT BEING DISCUSSED.

    The Council of Nicaea discussed rejecting Arius' teachings. <--- Which has NOTHING TO DO with our discussion.

    TRY TO STAY ON POINT!

    Glory to God,
    Taken
     
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  3. BreadOfLife

    BreadOfLife Well-Known Member

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    Hmmmmmm . . . . let's destroy your points in RED - one by one.

    Idiotic point #1 . . .
    I'm not speaking for anybody. I'm stating plainly the teachings of Scripture and the 2000 year old Christian Church.
    Jesus is BOTH God AND Man.

    Idiotic point #2 . . .
    I haven't made any "false accusations". Name ONE . . .

    Idiotic
    point #3 . . YOU said that Scripture never calls Jesus a "Human" kind of Man.
    Tell me, Einstein - what other kind of man is there?? Possibly the most ridiculous statement you've made yet . . .

    Idiotic point #4 . . .
    The Council of Nicaea dealt with the Arian Heresy - AND the heresy of Docetism, which is the heresy YOU adhere to.

    Your turn, genius . . .
     
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    Taken Well-Known Member

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    Jesus is God AND a Man.
    I never said otherwise.

    "You preach Jesus is God AND "IS" a HUMAN Man".

    "You preach Jesus' HUMANESS was derived from Mary's DNA".

    Scripture DOES NOT TEACH...Jesus was a "HUMAN" kind of Man.
    Scripture DOES NOT TEACH...Mary's DNA had anything to do with Jesus.

    ^ THAT is "YOUR" made up (idiotic points) of interpretation.

    YOU reveal YOU base YOUR TEACHING on...
    Jesus must be a "HUMAN"
    BECAUSE
    YOU know of no OTHER KIND of man. --->

    YOUR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE...
    DOES NOT MAKE an other PERSON, a heretic or ridiculous.

    YOUR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE....
    ONLY AFFECTS "YOU"!!


    Continued...
     
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    Taken Well-Known Member

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    Continued...

    BOL ~

    YOU reveal YOU base YOUR TEACHING on...
    Jesus must be a "HUMAN"
    BECAUSE
    YOU know of no OTHER KIND of man. --->



    Scripture Teaches "a KIND of man" CREATED OUT OF THE EARTH.

    Gen 1
    [27] ... God created man ... male and female created he them.

    Gen 2
    [7] ...the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground...

    Pss 148
    [5] ... he commanded, and they were created.

    OBVIOUSLY, UNKNOWN TO YOU, that YOU CLAIM IS RIDICULOUS...

    Scripture Teaches "ANOTHER" ETERNALLY EXISTING "KIND of Man."

    Heb 7
    [3] Without ...beginning of days, nor end of life;

    John 3
    [13] And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

    A "HUMAN KIND of MAN", is Earthly, CREATED out of the DUST of the Earth, dies, and RETURNS to DUST of the EARTH.

    THE "HEAVENLY KIND of MAN", is HEAVENLY, without BEGINNING, without ENDING. HE CAME DOWN from HEAVEN and RETURNED to HEAVEN.

    YOUR POST.... #610 IS FALSE TEACHING.

    (BOL said; "We are humans – and so was He.")

    STOP trying to REWRITE Scripture, with YOUR FALSE interpretations.

    LEARN the TRUTH and ACCEPT IT.
    HUMAN Kinds of MEN are CREATED OUT OF THE DUST of the EARTH, (AND RETURN TO THE DUST OF THE EARTH) !

    JESUS IS NOT a "HUMAN" KIND OF MAN.
    JESUS IS a MAN, WITHOUT Beginning, WHO CAME DOWN from HEAVEN, IN A BODY "Prepared of God", FOR WHEN He would COME DOWN FROM HEAVEN TO EARTH, (AND RETURNED TO HEAVEN)!!

    Heb 10
    [5] Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

    John 3
    [13] And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

    Glory to God,
    Taken
     
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    BreadOfLife Well-Known Member

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    And will ALL of your beefing, bolding and screaming - you have FAILED to show me an example of "another kind" of man.
    ALL men are human - and yet, YOU just wasted 2 LONG, verbose rants without proving otherwise.

    Come back when you can give proof of more than ONE type of "man" . . .
     
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    farouk Well-Known Member

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    It should be, Sola Scriptura, rather than Sola Ecclesia...
     
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    Taken Well-Known Member

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    All human men are men Created of the dust of the ground and return to the dust of the ground.

    Gen 3
    [19] In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

    Jesus was a man who came forth out from God in Heaven DOWN TO the Earth, in the LIKENESS of an EARTHLY man.

    John 16
    [27] For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.

    Obviously it is beyond your ability to comprehend A NATURAL man "FROM" the Earth is NOT the SAME as a SUPERNATURAL man "out FROM" God IN HEAVEN.

    But that's okay. I do not write for your benefit, but rather for those standing by.

    Glory to God,
    Taken
     
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    BreadOfLife Well-Known Member

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    Show me from SCRIPTURE that there are different kinds of men other than human.

    CAN you do that??
     
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    Taken Well-Known Member

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    Already have.

    And there are different KINDS of HUMAN MEN. Some Understand Scripture, SOME DON'T.

    I can not UNDERSTAND "FOR YOU".

    Humans come from the Earth.
    Jesus came from Heaven.


    Glory to God,
    Taken
     
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    BreadOfLife Well-Known Member

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    Uhhhhh – NO.

    You’ve given me your verbose opinions only. You have NOT presented a Scriptural proof explainging the that there are different kinds of men – other than human men.

    Produce the Biblical evidence- or simply admit that you have none and that you’ve been defeated again.
     
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    UNLIKE YOU referencing a Scripture...
    You have been given Scriptural quotes.

    Not trusting what Scripture says or Understanding what Scripture means...
    Is Your Problem and Scripture itself teaches a person How to Overcome a Problem such as YOU HAVE.

    It is beyond obvious you teach;
    Jesus IS a HUMAN man, when Scripture teaches Jesus Is God, and came forth out from God (in His Kingdom of Heaven), To the Earth, To be MANIFESTED in the LIKENESS of His Brethren, (which was JEWS faithful To God), NOT ALL men, as YOU teach.

    Your ridiculous TEACHING Jesus has Mary's DNA (lol) is not Scriptural.
    The Spirit Creator and Maker of Earthly Mankind has NO need of Humans to Appear in the LIKENESS of a Human Man.

    Obviously you Fail to Know God is All Powerful to appear in Any LIKENESS He pleases!

    Obviously you Fail to comprehend Created Earthly men come from the Earth and God is NOT Earthly or Created and CAME from Heaven To Earth.

    You can remain ignorant and make accusations to no avail... you are not my brother.

    Glory to God,
    Taken
     
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    BreadOfLife Well-Known Member

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    Your total confusion stems from your preposterous statement in RED.
    God didn't "need" a woman to enter into the world. He CHOSE to do it that way.

    Jesus, who is God, absolutely had His mother's DNA because He CHOSE to enter into the world like the rest of us.
    To be JUST LIKE US - in every respect (Heb. 2:17-18).


    PS - you STILL haven't shown me - from SCRIPTURE - where it talks about different kinds of "men" other than human men . . .
     
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    I won‘t stop when people spew lies about the beliefs Christian Church.

    People who do this need to be exposed. Heresy is infectious to the ignorant. There are MANY people who come here to read yet are not members and are seeking the truth. They may not have the knowledge but they have the hunger.
    The LAST thing they need is to be seduced by this kind of heretical lie.

    This is not an argument between a Catholic and a Protestant
    It’s an argument between a Christian and a person with Heterdox beliefs.

    If it bothers you so much – then stop reading . . .
     
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    charity Well-Known Member

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    'For verily He took not on Him the nature of angels;
    but He took on Him the seed of Abraham.
    Wherefore in all things it behoved Him to be made like unto His brethren,
    that He might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God,
    to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
    For in that He himself hath suffered being tempted,
    (tested)
    He is able to succour them that are tempted. (G3985)
    (Hebrews 2:16-18)

    Seeing then that we have a great high priest,
    .. that is passed into the heavens,
    .... Jesus the Son of God,
    let us hold fast our profession.
    .. For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched
    .... with the feeling of our infirmities;
    ...... but was in all points tempted (
    or 'tested') like as we are, (G3985)
    ........ yet without sin.
    Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace,
    .. that we may obtain mercy,
    .... and find grace to help in time of need.

    (Heb 4:14-16)

    Hello @BreadOfLife,

    With respect, the Lord Jesus Christ [God's only begotten Son] was not like us in every respect: - for He was without sin.

    'Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: (G3985)
    for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth He any man;
    But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
    Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin:
    and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.'

    (James 1:13-15)

    In Christ Jesus
    Chris
     
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    charity Well-Known Member

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    ' ... the pillar and ground of the truth
    and without controversy great
    is the mystery of godliness
    ..
    God was manifest in the flesh
    .... justified in the Spirit
    ...... seen of angels
    ........ preached unto the Gentiles
    .......... believed on in the world
    ............ received up into glory '

    (1 Timothy 3:15b-16)

    'To wit, that
    God was in Christ,
    reconciling the world unto Himself,
    not imputing their trespasses unto them;
    and hath committed unto us
    the word of reconciliation.'

    (2 Corinthians 5:19)
     
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    BreadOfLife Well-Known Member

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    You’re missing the point.

    Of course Christ was not like us in sin – but that is NOT what Heb 2:17-18 is talking about.

    It is talking about the fact that he was made EXACTLY like US – in every respect – according to the FLESH.

    He was born, ate, got tired, slept, went to the bathroom, drank, suffered, bled and died – as a human being.

    In order to be the perfect sacrifice – He had to be the perfect human being.
     
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    Heb 7
    [3] Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like[/B unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

    Glory to God,
    Taken
     
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    'For this Melchisedec,
    king of Salem, priest of the most high God,
    who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
    To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all;
    first being by interpretation King of righteousness,
    and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
    Without father, without mother, without descent,
    having neither beginning of days, nor end of life;
    but made like unto the Son of God;
    abideth a priest continually.'

    (Hebrews 7:1-3)

    Hello @Taken,

    With respect, Melchisedec was made 'like unto the Son of God', yes, but the description which precedes these words, concerns Melchisedec, it is not descriptive of the Lord Jesus Christ: Who had both Father ( God ) and Mother ( Mary ), and, 'in the flesh,' had both, 'beginning of days', and, 'end of life'; but Who was raised from the dead, and now ever lives to intercede for us before the Father.

    Yet Melchisedec must have had both mother and father too: they were just unknown, as was his general descent; his beginning was unknown as was his end; but he was like unto the Son of God in that he was priest of the most high God, but not by birth, ie, descent, as were the sons of Levi (Hebrews 7:14-17).

    Praise God!

    In Christ Jesus
    Chris


     
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