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  1. Taken

    Taken Well-Known Member

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    Every Christian believes 100% of ONE thing equals 200% ?

    I don't believe 100% of ONE thing equals 200% of ONE thing, nor does Scripture teach such man-made nonsense.

    You adopting and teaching man-made nonsense and calling that nonsense a Biblical Truth, is simply you perverting the Biblical Truth.

    You Teach God "BECAME" a "HUMAN" man.

    Scripture Teaches, God was "MANIFESTED" in the "LIKENESS" "AS a Faithful man".

    Phil 2
    [8] And being found in fashion as a man...

    "BY your perverted teaching"...and nonsensical MATH...
    A "HUMAN"... who "Becomes" in Gods "LIKENESS" would thereafter BE...
    100% a HUMAN man and 100% God!

    ^ Utter nonsense.

    God does Not become His Human creation.
    And HUMAN creations Do Not Become God.

    Glory To God,
    Taken
     
  2. BreadOfLife

    BreadOfLife Well-Known Member

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    You are trying to equate every instance of infractions against the Mosaic Law as "sin" - and it simply isn't.

    Forgetting your anniversary will NEVER be a sin unless you willfully put it out of your mind to hurt your wife. A person's flaws are NOT necessarily sinful. If they were - then EVERYBODY with dementia would be a horrible sinner. Do you see the absurdity in your logic?
     
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    BreadOfLife Well-Known Member

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    Then YOU can live - and die in your heresy.
    The Word of God teaches that Christ is FULLY Man (Heb, 2:17-18) and FULLY God (John 1:1).

    Good luck . . .
     
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    Taken Well-Known Member

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    Your Heresy accusation like all of your other accusations are false.

    You should stop trying to rewrite Scripture and simply TRUST what it says.

    God is not, nor does He BECOME; a HUMAN Earthly Terrestrial man.
    HUMAN Earthly Terrestiral men are NOT GOD, nor do HUMAN Earthly Terrestiral men BECOME God..

    Learn what "LIKENESS" means.

    God CREATED Adam and MADE Adam, in Gods "LIKENESS".
    Adam Fell Away from BEING IN Gods "LIKENESS".
    Thereafter ALL Earthly HUMAN men, became IN Adams "LIKENESS".

    The WORD of God, WHICH "IS" God, which is Called "The Son of God", Called by the Name "JESUS"; was "MANIFESTED" in the "LIKENESS" "AS" a human man, FOR the purpose of HUMAN MEN to HEAR Him, SEE HIM, and LEARN FROM HIM....
    HOW...Human Men could (again) BECOME "MADE" in the "LIKENESS" OF God.

    I have ZERO objection of Calling JESUS a man, and have NEVER SAID OTHERWISE.

    YOU are the one who teaches Heresy, that JESUS WAS A HUMAN man.

    Anyone with an ounce of Biblical Knowledge; KNOWS, human men ARE Terrestrial men, OUT OF THE DUST OF THE EARTH....and that DOES NOT APPLY TO JESUS!

    Anyone with an ounce of Biblical Knowledge;
    KNOWS, God IS NOT an Earthly Terrestrial Created HUMAN man.

    Anyone with an ounce of Biblical Knowledge;
    KNOWS, JESUS came forth out from God in Heaven, and APPEARED AS A ..... SPECIFIC MAN...

    John 16
    [27] For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.

    YOU teach Jesus (is God) and (a HUMAN).
    YOUR TEACHING attempts to MAKE JESUS, in the "LIKENESS" of ALL HUMANS.

    That is FALSE. JESUS came forth out from God, to EARTH, IN THE "LIKENESS" of JEWISH MEN...; and JEWISH men thereafter LEARNED, JESUS was IN THE "LIKENESS" of "FAITHFUL" Jewish men...NOT ALL JEWISH MEN...and Certainly NOT ALL MEN".

    Heb 2:
    [17] Wherefore in all things it behoved him ... to be made LIKE unto his brethren,

    Uh...Gentiles were NOT His Jewish Brethren.
    Uh...Unfaithful Jews were NOT His Brethren.


    Your TEACHING is Corrupt.
    Your ACCUSATIONS are False.

    God was Manifested and APPEARED in the "LIKENESS" of Faithful Jewish Human men.

    Men WHO become "Converted "IN" Christ" become in the "LIKENESS" of God.

    God did NOT become A HUMAN MAN.
    Men do NOT become God.

    You accepting a REWRITTEN and perverted version of Sacred Scripture, is your choice, however it doesn't make you right or righteous or your teaching and accusations true.

    Glory to God,
    Taken
     
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    And once again – Scripture proves you WRONG . . .

    The Bible teaches – as Christianity ALWAYS has – that Jesus was FULLY Man (Heb 2:17-18) and FULLY God (John 1:1-14). Every early Heresy in the Church (Arianism, Nestorianism, Montanism, Manicheaism, etc.) was based in part on YOUR heresy.

    The Incarnation is one of THE most basic tenets of the Christian faith – and to deny it is as heretical as denying the Trinity . . .
     
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    You are the one rewriting Scripture to fit your understanding. FULLY? Heb 2:17 - 18, says no such thing.

    You are the one who Preaches and argues Jesus was a HUMAN man. Scripture doesn't.

    Heb 2:
    [17] Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
    [18] For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.

    So? Not a shocker Jesus was manifested in the FLESH. Noone has said otherwise, so why are you deflecting and making lying accusations about that?

    FULLY is your words, NOT Scripture.

    HUMAN is your words, NOT Scripture.

    "LIKENESS AS A MAN" is Scriptural, and no, it is not heresy to TRUST and BELIEVE Scripture rather than your words, your teaching and your perverted accusations.

    Get over yourself. I do not agree with what you believe and teach that is in contrast to Scriptural Truth.

    Glory to God,
    Taken
     
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    And I've already given you the linguistic evidence that Heb. 2:17-18 is talking about the fact that Jesus was made HUMAN - JUST like US.
    When in doubt – go to the original Koine Greek, I always say.

    Here are the verses in Greek:

    Heb. 2:17-18
    ὅθεν ὤφειλεν κατὰ πάντα τοῖς ἀδελφοῖς ὁμοιωθῆναι, ἵνα ἐλεήμων γένηται καὶ πιστὸς ἀρχιερεὺς τὰ πρὸς τὸν θεὸν εἰς τὸ ἱλάσκεσθαι τὰς ἁμαρτίας τοῦ λαοῦ. ἐν ᾧ γὰρ πέπονθεν αὐτὸς πειρασθείς, δύναται τοῖς πειραζομένοις βοηθῆσαι.


    Here is a literal translation of the Greek:
    Heb. 2:17-18

    Therefore he had to be made like his brothers and sisters IN EVERY RESPECT, so that he could become a merciful and faithful high priest in things relating to God, to make atonement for the sins of the people.


    This literal translation shows that He was made JUST LIKE US – in EVERY respect. We are humans – and so was He. However – He is ALSO God (John 1:1).
    Game OVER . . .
     
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    Look, friend, Dead Bread can't help himself, can he? He offers the absolute weakest arguments as "proof" for papal dogmas (like the post-risen Jesus breaking bread in Emmaus as "Biblical evidence for the first eucharist" when there was no cup, no Latin hocus pocus, etc.) which can easily be overthrown by anyone with a laymen's knowledge of Scripture. Should we not expect that he is equally handicapped when it comes to judging the words and actions of others?
     
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    I never claimed that the meal on the road to Emmaus was the "first Eucharist".
    The first Eucharist was celebrated at the Last Supper.

    The more you speak, the more lies dribble from your mouth . . .
     
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    Already established your rewording of Scriptural TRUTH is but a game to you and hard as you try to get people to fall for your
    Teaching...I'll stick with the Scriptural TRUTH!

    Glory to God,
    Taken
     
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    BreadOfLife Well-Known Member

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    Yup - and by simply bypassing the Greek and going directly to your own gobbldygook - you can invent whatever Scriptural perversions you like.

    I'm not sure which is more pathetic - your incredible arrogance or your seemingly limitless ignorance . . .

    .
     
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    Phoneman777 Well-Known Member

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    That's even MORE asinine...how can Christ's body and blood be "literally" offered in a "Eucharist" at the Last Supper when He had yet to die? LOL
     
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    BreadOfLife Well-Known Member

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    How can God simply speak and the entire universe leaps into existence?
    Answer: Because He is GOD and with God - NOTHING is impossible (Matt. 19:26).

    YOUR problem is that you lack faith in an all powerful God . . .
     
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    Agree.
    He has been told by men, what to believe, (and pleased to argue his nimble thoughts) rather than to learn the Truth and Trust to believe that.

    Glory to God,
    Taken
     
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    Your false accusations are but your own ignorance.
    I already established and verified with Scripture The WORD OF GOD, called JESUS, was made manifest in the LIKENESS of "HIS" Brethren.

    YOU teach "JESUS" was "MADE" in ALL HUMANS LIKENESS, "including" YOUR LIKENESS.

    ALL humans, and YOU were NOT ALIVE when JESUS was Manifested on Earth.

    Scripture reveals, JESUS was Manifested on Earth in the LIKENESS OF "HIS" FAITHFUL Hebrew and JEWISH BRETHREN.

    YOUR Ignorance is not understanding...
    NOT ALL men 'are' Hebrew, Jewish or Faithful. Yet YOU Teach, Jesus came in the "LIKENESS" of ALL MEN.

    No, he did not. Jesus came to earth in the LIKENESS of "FAITHFUL" Jewish men.

    Your IGNORANCE is Not UNDERSTANDING...
    JESUS provided a "WAY" for "ALL" humans, "TO BECOME IN JESUS' LIKENESS" !


    John 14
    [5] Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?
    [6] Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life:
    no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

    Your IGNORANCE is not UNDERSTANDING...
    JESUS provided "HIS WAY" ... BY ... OFFERING "HIS BODY"...ONCE...and FOR ALL.


    YOU falsely teach JESUS' FLESH BODY was CREATED FROM MARY'S HUMAN "DNA"... :eek:

    Heb 10
    [5] Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

    Heb 10
    [10] By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

    No...
    Jesus IS NOT HUMAN.
    Jesus was MANIFESTED in the LIKENESS "of FAITHFUL JEWISH Humans".

    No...
    Jesus WAS NOT MANIFESTED in the LIKENESS "of Gentiles", or ALL MEN.

    Yes...
    Jesus IS the WORD of God.

    Yes...
    The WORD of God, IS God.

    Yes...
    God has the POWER to APPEAR to "HUMAN MEN", in the "LIKENESS" of "HUMAN MEN"...
    No...
    Such an "APPEARENCE" does NOT "MAKE" God a CREATED HUMAN!

    You have been TAUGHT and thereafter attempt to TEACH JESUS was "BOTH" "HUMAN" and "GOD".

    SCRIPTURE TEACHES...JESUS IS GOD, who "APPEARED" in the FLESH "LIKENESS" as a "FAITHFUL" HUMAN MAN.

    BIG DIFFERENCE....Between "BEING" a Created HUMAN MAN...(as YOU TEACH) and "APPEARING" in the "LIKENESS" "AS A FAITHFUL HUMAN MAN"!!

    Phil 2
    [8]... as a man ...

    Per usual, I reject your false accusations and false teaching.

    Glory to God,
    Taken
     
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    ^
    we have a perfectly functioning "ignore" button i guess
     
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    And YOU keep operating under the incredible ignorant position that the New Testament was written in modern English.
    It WASN’T. It was written in Koine Greek.

    And – as I have educated you about THREE times now – the Greek doesn’t say what YOU are trying to MAKE it say. It states plainly that Jesus was made JUST LIKE his brethren – in EVERY WAY.

    As you’ve been shown now about a dozen times now – Christ is FULLY Man (Heb. 2:17-18) and FULLY God (John 1:1). – and NONE of your denials and rejections can change that . . .
     
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    Starting your response with a LIE reveals your continued way YOU OPERATE.

    YOU ARE NOT my teacher, and never have been.

    You reveal your own ignorance.
    Not once did I deny it was necessary for Jesus to be "LIKE" his brethren.

    YOU said Jesus was A HUMAN AND...LIKE ALL MEN... Perhaps you should study and LEARN, NOT ALL MEN are Jesus' BRETHREN!

    It's Settled...YOUR Christ is HUMAN.
    MY Christ is SPIRIT.

    Glory to God,
    Taken
     
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    BreadOfLife Well-Known Member

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    The Christ of Christianity and of Scripture - MY Christ - is BOTH . . .
     
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    Noted: YOUR Christ - "is" BOTH a "HUMAN" and "God".

    1 Cor 15
    [47] The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

    HUMANS are of the EARTH.

    That does NOT APPLY to Christ the Lord Jesus.

    Glory to God,
    Taken
     
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