Calvinism is a Cult

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justbyfaith

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Says he knows Calvinism and then quickly stated “The problem with Calvinism is that it takes away human responsibility.” WRONG! Men are responsible for their sins, whether they hear the gospel or not.

Then he stated “Calvinism deters people from making the decision to receive Christ;” WRONG! The problem is you have a false view of fallen mankind. The unregenerate lost are not going around looking for a way into God’s kingdom, neither does God place His palm on lost ppl’s foreheads, keeping them from coming to Him. He is the One who seeks, He is the One who finds, He is the One who quickens and saves.

Please learn Calvinism before you post saying you do. You obviously don’t.
Please answer #297 and #298 by showing how I am mistaken in my assessment of Calvinism in those posts.
 
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You can start with Limited Atonement.

Does that not teach that Christ did not die for everyone, but only for a select few?

If He did not die for you, then does that not mean that if you call on the name of the Lord, you will not be saved; because He didn't die for you?

Even if you have an answer for this, I would contend that a lot of confusion could be avoided by not teaching the source of the confusion in the first place.

My view of foreknowledge is the biblical one; that God chose us before the foundation of the world according to His foreknowledge of whether we would receive or reject Christ.

However, in Calvinism, it is by a predetermined choice of God; and foreknowledge of whether we receive or reject Christ has nothing to do with it.

One Calvinist proponent continually asserts that we do not have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand; but that rather we have access by grace into faith; that we are saved by faith through grace. This is the reverse order of what scripture teaches.

They also assert that a person cannot have faith in Jesus unless they are saved first.

This would indicate that calling on the name of the Lord is not what saved them, but rather they were saved first and then they called on the name of the Lord. But if salvation comes first, why even call on the name of the Lord for salvation? You're already saved; so there is no need to call on His name.

In my version of this (what I believe to be accurate according to Romans 10:10), calling on the name of the Lord is unto salvation; but righteousness must come first through faith. A person may have righteousness (believing that God rose Jesus from the dead) but not have salvation. For confession is made unto salvation (are you looking at the verses?).

I do believe that the same heat that melts the butter, also hardens the clay. If you remove from the analogy the concept of the fact that these are inanimate objects, and look to what the clay and butter represent, you can see that the clay might indeed choose to harden and the butter may indeed choose to melt. However the butter melts because it is butter and the clay hardens because it is clay.

So then, if I am butter, I will respond with faith (a softened heart) when I am faced with the gospel. Calling on the name of the Lord, and/or confessing with the mouth the Lord Jesus, is the only sure response of a saving faith. It becomes saving faith the moment the confession begins to be made, or the moment the person prays to receive Christ (John 1:12, Matthew 7:7-8); which is to call on His name.

Scriptures:

Rom 10:9, That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10, For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Jhn 1:12, But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Mat 7:7, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
Mat 7:8, For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
If Christ died for all, why aren't all saved?
 

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So if you don't rebel against God from out of your own goodness, you can save yourself?

And what about those who do not have the mental capacity to choose? How is this fair to them? Or the heathen in some parts of the world, who have no access to the Word or Christ? How is this fair to them?
 
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And what about those who do not have the mental capacity to choose? How is this fair to them? Or the heathen in some parts of the world, who have no access to the Word or Christ? How is this fair to them?
Covered in the Bible.

Why are the Calvinist trying to prove their claims if we have no freewill to choose?
 

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This is where you end up if Jesus' atonement doesn't save those he died for. You say he died for all but all are not saved. What's the catch?

The Bible says he died for alll, but not all accept.

Why are the Calvinist trying to prove their claims if we have no freewill to choose?
 

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Covered in the Bible.

Why are the Calvinist trying to prove their claims if we have no freewill to choose?

Covered in the Bible.

Why are Arminians trying to defend works righteousness and their ability to save themselves via a correct decision?
 
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The Bible says he died for alll, but not all accept.

Why are the Calvinist trying to prove their claims if we have no freewill to choose?

How can you accept something you dont even know about? Doesn't your God still choose where and when people are born, and put some in situations that are better than others? Does He not predestine where specific people will be born and, because of this, whether or not they will even know anything about Him and be able to accept?
 
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How can you accept something you dont even know about? Doesn't your God still choose where and when people are born, and put some in situations that are better than others? Does He not predestine where specific people will be born and, because of this, whether or not they will even know anything about Him and be able to accept?

Why are the Calvinist trying to prove their claims if we have no freewill to choose?
 

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Hello @CoreIssue,

'Calvanism?' - 'isms cause schisms: they lead to strife, and the believer is not to strive.

Striving will not cure, it will only harden opinion.

In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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Why are Arminians trying to defend works righteousness and their ability to save themselves via a correct decision?
No one (Calvinist or not) believes works save you or that a person saves themselves.
For a non-Calvinist, accepting the free undeserved gift of the giant mansion of salvation don't remotely mean you earned it or saved yourself. Quite the opposite.
And what about those who do not have the mental capacity to choose? How is this fair to them? Or the heathen in some parts of the world, who have no access to the Word or Christ? How is this fair to them?
How can you accept something you dont even know about? Doesn't your God still choose where and when people are born, and put some in situations that are better than others? Does He not predestine where specific people will be born and, because of this, whether or not they will even know anything about Him and be able to accept?
All theological group (Calvinist and non) have a theological framework in which people are judged off of what they do with the knowledge they have and state of their heart. These frameworks do vary from group to group, but each group does have one.


**Addressing everyone on this thread: How about instead shutting our ears & mudslinging & false characterizing each other to each prove we are the "correct" Christian, we instead LISTEN to each other and get our facts straight on what in the world it is people believe? **