1. Welcome to Christian Forums, a Christian Forum that recognizes that all Christians are a work in progress.

    You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

Calvinism is a Cult

Discussion in 'Christian Apologetics Forum' started by CoreIssue, Feb 8, 2019.

  1. Waiting on him

    Waiting on him Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,533
    Likes Received:
    831
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    United States
    Only those who can’t save themselves need Savior.
     
    SovereignGrace and mjrhealth like this.
  2. Waiting on him

    Waiting on him Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,533
    Likes Received:
    831
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    United States
    I’ll say it again I’ve never met Mr Calvin and don’t need his opinion. Religion always puts self at the center. Consider the widow with the two mites, religion says ooooh if only I had this faith to give all
     
  3. Enoch111

    Enoch111 Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    4,115
    Likes Received:
    2,668
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    Canada
    Don't compound your error with more DECEPTION. This is called wresting or twisting the Scriptures.

    Obvious John was not writing about an ordered system. Why did you fail to show that kosmos means all the inhabitants of the world, and that is the correct meaning here?

    Strong's Concordance
    kosmos: order, the world
    Original Word: κόσμος, ου, ὁ
    Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
    Transliteration: kosmos
    Phonetic Spelling: (kos'-mos)
    Definition: order, the world
    Usage: the world, universe; worldly affairs; the inhabitants of the world; adornment.


    Thayer's Greek Lexicon
    STRONGS NT 2889: κόσμος

    κόσμος, κόσμου, ὁ;
    5. the inhabitants of the world:
    θέατρονἐγενήθημεν τῷ κόσμῳ καί ἀγγέλοις καίἀνθρώποις, 1 Corinthians 4:9 (Winers Grammar, 127 (121)); particularly the inhabitants of the earth, men, the human race (first so in Sap. (e. g. )): Matthew 13:38; Matthew 18:7; Mark 14:9; John 1:10, 29...


    Since Thayer's refers to John 1:29, lets turn to that and see that you are promoting a FALSE DOCTRINE, and this verse confirms what is stated in 1 John 4:14.

    The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
     
  4. Preacher4Truth

    Preacher4Truth Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    639
    Likes Received:
    896
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    United States
    Yep, that's exegetically and doctrinally sound, but it's going to be attacked for going against the current free will idolatry...

    Why? They feel the need to "get God off the hook" for these "offensive" and "unfair" truths.
     
    SovereignGrace likes this.
  5. Waiting on him

    Waiting on him Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,533
    Likes Received:
    831
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    United States
    I see in the previous chapter Jesus states religion devowers widows houses this is why he says I’m bringing it all down every high thing that exhaults it’s self above God. Pure religion is to visit widows(those without a husband/ those without a father) meaning those without God.
     
  6. Waiting on him

    Waiting on him Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,533
    Likes Received:
    831
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    United States
    This can also be seen in the separating of the sheep and goats
     
  7. CoreIssue

    CoreIssue Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    5,281
    Likes Received:
    1,133
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    United States
    Not an answer.

    Why are the Calvinist trying to prove their claims if we have no freewill to choose?
     
  8. Mjh29

    Mjh29 Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    993
    Likes Received:
    890
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    United States
    So, let me get this straight;

    ~ There are multiple different translations of the word, all saying creation, universe, ect. but you say that it can only be the 1 single definition that means people. So out of the 4 different translations, I have 3 and you have 1, and your 1 trumps my 3?
    ~ The other 4 Thayer's definitions before your 5th might disagree.
     
    SovereignGrace likes this.
  9. Mjh29

    Mjh29 Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    993
    Likes Received:
    890
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    United States
    Because the Arminian view goes against not only the Scriptures, but logic. Since you can't seem to respond the Scriptures we give you, perhaps logic will work.

    The Father imposed His wrath due unto, and the Son underwent punishment for either:

    1) All the sins of all men;

    2) All the sins of some men; or

    3) Some of the sins of all men.

    In which case it may be said:

    1) If the last be true all men have some sins to answer for, and so none are saved;

    2) That if the second be true, then Christ, in their stead suffered for all the sins of the elect in the whole world, and this is the truth;

    3) But if the first is the case, why are not all men free from the punishment due unto their sins? You answer, Because of unbelief. I ask, Is this unbelief a sin, or is it not? If it be, then Christ suffered the punishment due unto it, or He did not. If He did, why must that hinder them more than their other sins for which He died? If He did not, He did not die for all their sins!
     
  10. amadeus

    amadeus Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    6,317
    Likes Received:
    7,349
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    United States
    Again you are arguing against something I did not say. You seemingly do not understand what I wrote. When you do and you respond to it, I hopefully will be able to speak to you about it.
     
    Triumph1300 likes this.
  11. Jane_Doe22

    Jane_Doe22 Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,392
    Likes Received:
    934
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    United States
    Have I not answered this question times already? If I have not, I will answer it here again.
     
  12. Dave L

    Dave L Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    6,670
    Likes Received:
    2,043
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    United States
    You were using OT law which cannot save as a formula for salvation.
     
  13. Dave L

    Dave L Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    6,670
    Likes Received:
    2,043
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    United States
    People make choices every moment of the day. But Christ is not available on those terms. The only Christ the flesh will ever chose is a false one. God must give you a new heart before you can discern Christ in truth and have Holy Spirit generated faith in him.
     
  14. CoreIssue

    CoreIssue Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    5,281
    Likes Received:
    1,133
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    United States
    Still not a reason for trying to persuade others when there is no freewill to choose.
     
  15. CoreIssue

    CoreIssue Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    5,281
    Likes Received:
    1,133
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    United States
    Still not a reason for trying to persuade others when there is no freewill to choose.
     
  16. Dave L

    Dave L Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    6,670
    Likes Received:
    2,043
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    United States
    Where is salvation a choice for unbelievers in NT scripture?
     
  17. amadeus

    amadeus Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    6,317
    Likes Received:
    7,349
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    United States
    Your habit of looking to the literal and arguing according to that as defined or described by men with their brains instead of looking to the Holy Spirit for direction is leading you astray.

    Should we be focusing on salvation making it our first priority!
     
  18. Dave L

    Dave L Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    6,670
    Likes Received:
    2,043
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    United States
    You are teaching salvation by works. This saves nobody.
     
  19. mjrhealth

    mjrhealth Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    7,624
    Likes Received:
    2,246
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    Australia
    No He isnt, what is it you are smoking....
     
  20. Dave L

    Dave L Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    6,670
    Likes Received:
    2,043
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    United States
    If you quote OT scripture aimed at keeping the law, and try to peddle it as the gospel, you are deceived.
     
Loading...