Calvinism is a Cult

[Preacher4Truth]

Like, "I believe that total depravity leads to unconditional election which leads to limited atonement/particular redemption, which leads to irresistible grace, which leads to the perseverance of the saint."

Maybe true. But we need a lot of Scripture if people are going to be convinced in their hearts.

I've not met one Reformed brother or sister who isn't thoroughly immersed in Scripture usage. It's status quo for all the Reformed bro. No offense but your example isn't documentation.

 

[farouk]

They need more than just scripture but the illumination of the Holy Spirit to go with the scriptures.

Indeed. My point is that it's via Scripture rather than via logic on its own.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

It's always good to stick with the statements of Scripture, rather than concentrate from a logical perspective on any supposed anomalies that men may read into Scripture.

Bro, your above fits into anti-reformed positions, not in the Reformed view.

 

[farouk]

But you haven’t addressed my post. Explain how God can love everybody w/o exception and hate the wicked. Address this please. Thank you my friend.

"For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him." (2 Corinthians 5.21)

 

[SovereignGrace]

Indeed. My point is that it's via Scripture rather than via logic on its own.

But we have to explain, exegete these scriptures, not just paste them and say “ta da!”

 

[SovereignGrace]

"For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him." (2 Corinthians 5.21)

I love that verse, but that doesn’t explain how He loves everybody w/o exception and hates the wicked.

 

[farouk]

Bro, your above fits into anti-reformed positions, not in the Reformed view.

I'm not necessarily against the conclusions that Calvinists come to; I would prefer that they be via Scripture rather than via logic, which is only going to convince some ppl intellectually.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Bro, your above fits into anti-reformed positions, not in the Reformed view.

He won’t engage my posts but is being obtuse and just pasting scripture.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

"For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him." (2 Corinthians 5.21)

That's written to a church, the converted, us. Take your logic and usage and we have Universalism. Why? It is speaking of the state of conversion, not an invitation to salvation bro.

 

[farouk]

I love that verse, but that doesn’t explain how He loves everybody w/o exception and hates the wicked.

There are plenty of verses for the love of God; and plenty of verses for the reconciling work of Christ at the Cross.

I'm becoming unsure where you want me to quote them or not.

Or maybe it's not the verses that interest you, but the logic and intellectualizing.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

Or maybe it's not the verses that interest you, but the logic and intellectualizing.

Come on bro, that's not a cool or true thing to say. Stay honest.

 

[farouk]

"And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.

2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

3 And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling.

4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:

5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God." (1 Corinthians 2.5)

 

[Preacher4Truth]

He won’t engage my posts but is being obtuse and just pasting scripture.

That's becoming more apparent.

 

[SovereignGrace]

There are plenty of verses for the love of God; and plenty of verses for the reconciling work of Christ at the Cross.

I'm becoming unsure where you want me to quote them or not.

Or maybe it's not the verses that interest you, but the logic and intellectualizing.

All I am asking is for you to reconcile those two verses.

 

[SovereignGrace]

"And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.

2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

3 And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling.

4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:

5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God." (1 Corinthians 2.5)

You’re doing what the others are doing.

 

[Mjh29]

I'm not necessarily against the conclusions that Calvinists come to; I would prefer that they be via Scripture rather than via logic, which is only going to convince some ppl intellectually.

There' an entire book called "The Five Points of Calvinism: Defined, Defended, and Documented" by Steele, Thomas, and Quinn, which is literally filled with all sorts of Scripture defending the five points.

The problem is that when we do show Scripture, it is denied, ignored, or told that "God couldn't do that because that wouldn't be fair."

 

[farouk]

There' an entire book called "The Five Points of Calvinism: Defined, Defended, and Documented" by Steele, Thomas, and Quinn, which is literally filled with all sorts of Scripture defending the five points.

Good. Just the sort of book that's necessary.

I guess my point is that seminary students seem often to loooove arguing logic; while Scripture does not seem to drive what they say.

This is also why a lot of people stop attending conversational Bible studies when some ppl show just to argue.

 

[Mjh29]

Good. Just the sort of book that's necessary.

I guess my point is that seminary students seem often to loooove arguing logic; while Scripture does not seem to drive what they say.

This is also why a lot of people stop attending conversational Bible studies when some ppl show just to argue.

I agree. And I have tried to use Scripture here, but they are ignored.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Good. Just the sort of book that's necessary.

I guess my point is that seminary students seem often to loooove arguing logic; while Scripture does not seem to drive what they say.

This is also why a lot of people stop attending conversational Bible studies when some ppl show just to argue.

I have never been to seminary Bruh.

 

[Mjh29]

I have never been to seminary Bruh.

nor have I.