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Discussion in 'Christian Debate Forum' started by John Caldwell, Oct 7, 2019.

  1. Willie T

    Willie T Well-Known Member

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    You seem to have an odd view. Can you explain to us an example of something that would keep an eight month old baby out of Heaven if the child died? What do you think God would have to be merciful about and overlook in that child's short life? (This is assuming this child was not one of those you seem to feel God created just to burn in Hell.)

    I wonder if Jesus really said... "Suffer only certain little children (the elected ones) to come unto me."?
     
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  2. Anthony D'Arienzo

    Anthony D'Arienzo Well-Known Member

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    Willie, the confession of faith answers this question perfectly saying All elect infants dying in Infancy are Saved by the Spirit of God.
    This leaves them in God's hands who perfectly saves those he intends to save.

    Now you and others have made this kind of remark being critical of God and suggesting that he makes people just to burn them in hell. Where did I ever say that?
    Why do you try to ascribe false ideas to my belief???
    No wonder you like the posts of JonC who exclusively does this.
     
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  3. John Caldwell

    John Caldwell Well-Known Member

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    Don't troll me - I never said God creates babies to burn in Hell. I believe Luke 18.
     
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  4. Anthony D'Arienzo

    Anthony D'Arienzo Well-Known Member

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    Can you even read a post correctly?
    I said you constantly ascribe false beliefs to me.
    I did not mention you in reference to the babies.
    Your fabricated posting is your downfall.
     
  5. John Caldwell

    John Caldwell Well-Known Member

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    I am asking you not to troll me as I had not commented on the topic. And if you do at least have the mental astuteness to get my name here correct.
     
  6. Enoch111

    Enoch111 Well-Known Member

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    1. It is *Calvinism* not *calavinism*

    2. While the term *Original Sin* is not found in the Bible, the Bible does teach that it is because of Adam's disobedience sin and death entered into the world (Rom 5:12) and all human beings were affected.

    3. Calvinism is not *Fatalism* but *Determinism* -- that God has predetermined everything from the very beginning. That is false.
     
  7. DoveSpirit05

    DoveSpirit05 Active Member

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    like correct spellings really gonna get someone into heaven!!

    yes God has predetermind everything but dat doesn't mean hes already chosen who's going 2 hell what would be the point of sending out missionaries den, and also yes we're all effected by A&E's sin, we'v inherited the carnal nature but dat doesn't mean we're born sinners both tho's u guys teach!!
     
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  8. Willie T

    Willie T Well-Known Member

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    It's not the least bit critical of God who offers Salvation to all men, and gives them the free will to choose. My words are critical of people who devise a strange theology of inescapable damnation for some, and try to claim it is of God. It is manmade, and nothing more.
     
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    CharismaticLady Well-Known Member

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    Haven't you ever seen them write that obedience to God is works?

    I see you are still disparaging what Jesus accomplished for us on the cross, and the true meaning of grace.
     
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    CharismaticLady Well-Known Member

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    I wanted you to just comment on what I think you may believe. Was I right or wrong. And if wrong, what is it, and then I will answer.
     
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    CharismaticLady Well-Known Member

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    Then I would be learning false doctrine as you have. If his authority is not the Bible but his own study of other false teachers, what good is it. That is what you are doing. You've been brainwashed.
     
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  12. Enoch111

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    More nonsense from you again. How could I be disparaging the finished work of Christ when I am telling you (and others) that it is because of His finished work that the grace of God is unmerited favor, kindness, mercy, and love to undeserving sinners????

    And that all humanity may experience this grace because Christ died for the sins of the whole world.
     
  13. Anthony D'Arienzo

    Anthony D'Arienzo Well-Known Member

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    Jesus spoke of hell more than everyone.
    That is not man made like your idea of freewill is.
     
  14. CharismaticLady

    CharismaticLady Well-Known Member

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    But what does grace accomplish in your definition? Does Jesus cover our sins so we can go on sinning without punishment, because Jesus took our punishment? Is that all He accomplished?
     
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    You want me to comment on what you think I believe?

    No. It doesn't work like that with me.

    Tell me what YOU believe. Ask me what I believe. In that order! Then we may have a conversation But no, I am not going to comment on what you think I believe.

    But I will say I have noticed you show no intention of telling me what YOU think grace is. I have an answer. I can answer the question. I don't believe you can answer or it's that you aren't willing to.

    You want me to play your games, then you answer my questions.

    What is Grace?
     
  16. Enoch111

    Enoch111 Well-Known Member

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    The answers are all found in Scripture, and no one in his right mind will claim that the grace of God means that you can go on sinning.

    TITUS 2

    GRACE IS FOR SALVATION

    11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

    GRACE IS FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS
    12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

    GRACE IS FOR PERFECTION
    13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

    GRACE IS FOR PURIFICATION & GOOD WORKS
    14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

    GRACE IS FROM GOD HIMSELF
    15 These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.
     
  17. Anthony D'Arienzo

    Anthony D'Arienzo Well-Known Member

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    You have offered no evidence that he does use the bible.
    In fact his authority is the scriptures
     
  18. CharismaticLady

    CharismaticLady Well-Known Member

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    I will acquiesce, rather than have you think of me as being a liar, and playing games. I do know what I'm talking about. But will you take the time to read it and believe in the power of God?

    The New Covenant brought grace over law. But that doesn't mean we are lawless, and can do whatever our carnal minds dream up. That is not what God wants for us. Paul said, we don't break the law, we establish the law. He even says we are dead to sin, Romans 6:2. How can we be dead to sin if we keep sinning? How will heaven only be filled with those who are righteous and holy? Revelation 22:11. How can we return to what Adam was when he was perfect, before he sinned and his nature took on Satan's and became carnal? Will heaven be filled with those of the nature of Satan? Or God? The answer is what Jesus accomplished - true grace: THE POWER OF GOD, HIS SPIRIT.

    Jesus taught we must be born again of the Spirit. But how? How can what was prophesied of Him regarding righteousness not just be imputed, but actual? It starts with the prophecy of Daniel 9:24.

    To finish the transgression,
    To make an end of sins,
    To make reconciliation for iniquity,
    To bring in everlasting righteousness

    When Jesus was about to return to heaven before the Day of Pentecost, He told His disciples to wait in Jerusalem for the POWER, the beginning of the New Covenant. I call it the reading of the will and testament, that could only happen after the death of the testator, Hebrews 9:6.

    Acts 1:
    4 And being assembled together with them, He commanded them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the Promise of the Father, “which,” He said, “you have heard from Me; 5 for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.” 6 Therefore, when they had come together, they asked Him, saying, “Lord, will You at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?” 7 And He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority. 8 But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”

    Acts 2:38-39 To receive this power we must REPENT. Repent of what? The sins we did today, or our inability to be truly righteous? It is the latter, our carnal nature.

    Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.”

    This is true repentance as David wrote in Psalms 51. As a side note of this psalm, I had gone to church for 30 years before I was actually saved and filled with His Spirit. This psalm that I had memorized as a child was part of my prayer. What a difference it made overnight as I literally experienced my nature become reborn and my desires change to that of the divine nature.

    2 Peter 1:
    2 Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord, 3 as His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue, 4 by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

    By the way, if you go down to verse 9, what has been taken away and cleansed are our OLD SINS, not present and future sins that we have been given POWER to not even commit.

    There is so much more, like the explanation of Romans 7 and 1 John 1:8, but I'm afraid it would make this long, so I'll wait for your response.
     
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    Good, but didn't the law provide all that? What do you see is the major change between the Old Covenant and the New Covenant?
     
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    I'm not talking about every subject, but major ones. What is his definition of grace?
     
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