Calvinism

[Grailhunter]

More false accusations. Hmmmm.


That's so 3rd grade.



First, my God is my LORD, YHWH in Scripture. Secondly, He can condemn anyone he wants to hell at anytime, as all are guilty before God who are not in Christ; Romans 3:19. You disagree with this, and therefore disagree with God: you have Him on trial, you've become His judge. Romans 9:20 lives and breathes through you.

God owes no man grace, and it wouldn't be grace if owed. He doesn't owe any man a chance, nor a choice, He is in debt to no one.

Now you on the other hand are holding God on trial, as guilty before you if He doesn't do as you desire or as you deem fair.

Still evading the point and covering the truth. The cat is out of the bag, people know what you are!

 

[Mjh29]

As a result of Adam's sin, men are born and by nature are slaves to sin; their wills are enslaved to Satan and therefore NOT free

~ John 8:44
~ Ephesians 2:1-2
~ 2 Timothy 2:25-26
~ 1 John 3:10
~ 1 John 5:19
~ John 8:34
~ Romans 6:20
~ Titus 3:3

 

[Grailhunter]

The Westminster Confession of Faith

Chapter 6
Section 1.) Our first parents, being seduced by the subtlety and temptation of Satan, sinned in eating the forbidden fruit.(1) This their sin, God was pleased, according to His wise and holy counsel, to permit, having purposed to order it to His own glory.(2)
(1) Ge 3:13; 2Co 11:3 (2) Ro 11:32
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Section 2.) By this sin, they fell from their original righteousness and communion with God,(1) and so became dead in sin,(2) and wholly defiled in all the parts and faculties of soul and body.(3)
(1) Ge 3:6,7,8; Ecc 7:29; Ro 3:23 (2) Ge 2:17; Eph 2:1 (3) Tit 1:15; Ge 6:5; Jer 17:9; Ro 3:10-18
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Section 3.) They being the root of all mankind, the guilt of this sin was imputed,(1) and the same death in sin and corrupted nature conveyed to all their posterity, descending from them by ordinary generation.(2)
(1) Ge 1:27,28; Ge 2:16,17; Ac 17:26; Ro 5:12,15,16,17,18,19; 1Co 15:21,22,45,49 (2) Ps 51:5; Ge 5:3; Job 14:4; Job 15:14
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Section 4.) From this original corruption, whereby we are utterly indisposed, disabled, and made opposite to all good,(1) and wholly inclined to all evil,(2) do proceed all actual transgressions.(3)
(1) Ro 5:6; Ro 8:7; Ro 7:18; Col 1:21 (2) Ge 6:5; Ge 8:21 ; Ro 3:10,11,12 (3) Jas 1:14,15; Eph 2:2,3; Mt 15:19
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Section 5.) This corruption of nature, during this life, doth remain in those that are regenerated;(1) and although it be through Christ pardoned and mortified, yet both itself, and all the motions thereof, are truly and properly sin.(2)
(1) 1Jn 1:8,10; Ro 7:14,17,18,23; Jas 3:2; Pr 20:9; Ecc 7:20 (2) Ro 7:5,7,8,25; Gal 5:17
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Section 6.) Every sin, both original and actual, being a transgression of the righteous law of God, and contrary thereunto,(1) doth, in its own nature, bring guilt upon the sinner,(2) whereby he is bound over to the wrath of God,(3) and curse of the law,(4) and so made subject to death,(5) with all miseries spiritual,(6) temporal,(7) and eternal.(8)
(1) 1Jn 3:4 (2) Ro 2:15; Ro 3:9,19 (3) Eph 2:3 (4) Gal 3:10 (5) Ro 6:23 (6) Eph 4:18 (7) Ro 8:20; La 3:39 (8) Mt 25:41; 2Th 1:9

Your thinking I do not know. Just like the Jehovah's Witnesses and Branch Davidians and the rest that twist the scriptures.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

Still evading the point and covering the truth. The cat is out of the bag, people know what you are!

Wow, you've completely avoided my biblical post. You have no answers, and ignore them when given you. Sorry, I can't take you as truthful nor seriously.

 

[Mjh29]

Evasive....You know it wrong but you still peddle this slander. No raging, this is my honor to defend God.
I am saying Calvinism and predestinationists, believes that an entity created heaven, and earth and mankind. I am not sure if they believe if their god took free-will away from Mankind or they never had a chance. For them a sovereign god means everything is a puppet show. From their Mankind if forced to be good or bad by the will of god, by what they call predestination. In effect this belief puts Satan out of business and their god takes over. Pretty much makes judgment day a mute point, since all judgment occurs before they are born.

If every action and thought is under the control of their god, it nullifies, choice, free-will, belief, faith, scriptures, love, grace, prayers, salvation, and good deeds because all of that was forced on them so none of that is to their merit or free-will. Alternatively this entity forces people to be bad, forces them to sin and then damns them to hell. By no sin of their own they are damned to be tortured forever, no free-will, no escape, no mercy, just predetermined damnation.

Historically those that believe they are the “elect” have committed the worst of atrocities. The term “elect” is used to edify themselves, doctrines to damn others to edify themselves. All Christians that believe, are the “elect” not the few that slander God. Evil lurks on the Internet, this is a warning to those that run into it. They come talking of love and scriptures, but it is all a lie! Who need scriptures if you are forced to believe?\

I love it! What did I ask? One thing at a time! And what did you do?

"Oh, I'm not raging.... [insert rage with the word Calvinism sprinkled here and there]"

 

[Giuliano]

Calvinism, by history or doctrine the worst of the bunch. They do a better job at slandering God than even the Jehovah's Witnesses.

Give it a try if you think you can convince anyone; but I wouldn't get my hopes up if I were you. I've know some fine people who were Calvinists, but I think that was in spite of what they had been taught. Some Calvinists have the same attitude the self-important Pharisees had. They were special. They were God's favorites.

Some religion is like being addiction to alcohol or drugs. It makes people feel good. They're really miserable; and if you took their doctrines that offer false security away from them, all that misery would could out in full. So good luck, Grailhunter; but I don't think you stand much of a chance of convincing people. It's like trying to get a drug addict to stop doing drugs. Most of the time, they have to crash and hit bottom before they'll change. As long as they can get their drug, they feel good even though they're on a course towards disaster.

 

[Grailhunter]

As a result of Adam's sin, men are born and by nature are slaves to sin; their wills are enslaved to Satan and therefore NOT free

~ John 8:44
~ Ephesians 2:1-2
~ 2 Timothy 2:25-26
~ 1 John 3:10
~ 1 John 5:19
~ John 8:34
~ Romans 6:20
~ Titus 3:3

But it in motion....How many of these have I worked with law enforcement to arrest because they abused their families in their little separatist communities.

 

[Mjh29]

But it in motion....How many of these have I worked with law enforcement to arrest because they abused their families in their little separatist communities.

What... in the world... are you talking about??!!

I can't even begin to TRY and follow your "Logic".... wait, you're still raging, aren't you?

*sigh* see, THIS is why I don't post Scripture!

I take my time to lay out from the Scriptures evidence, and your response:

 

[Grailhunter]

What the Bible says and how you apply it. I have seen it.
When does your god predestine people to hell?
You cannot avoid the truth!
The stench of your religion precedes you.

 

[Waiting on him]

Give it a try if you think you can convince anyone; but I wouldn't get my hopes up if I were you. I've know some fine people who were Calvinists, but I think that was in spite of what they had been taught. Some Calvinists have the same attitude the self-important Pharisees had. They were special. They were God's favorites.

Some religion is like being addiction to alcohol or drugs. It makes people feel good. They're really miserable; and if you took their doctrines that offer false security away from them, all that misery would could out in full. So good luck, Grailhunter; but I don't think you stand much of a chance of convincing people. It's like trying to get a drug addict to stop doing drugs. Most of the time, they have to crash and hit bottom before they'll change. As long as they can get their drug, they feel good even though they're on a course towards disaster.

I don’t know if I’m a Calvin, but the thing I’m Having a hard time reconciling is Jesus clearly states He chose the twelve, and I’m certain He chose Paul, everyone accepts this and says God cannot change then they say I chose?

 

[Preacher4Truth]

What... in the world... are you talking about??!!

I can't even begin to TRY and follow your "Logic".... wait, you're still raging, aren't you?

*sigh* see, THIS is why I don't post Scripture!

I take my time to lay out from the Scriptures evidence, and your response:

He has to this point not addressed Scripture but has told us all how he thinks it should be, in his opinion, with a huge scoop of rage, false accusations and callow behavior.

 

[Mjh29]

What the Bible says and how you apply it. I have seen it.
When does your god predestine people to hell?
You cannot avoid the truth!
The stench of your religion precedes you.

Why don't you deal with the Scriptures I posted? You asked me to show you from the Scriptures!!!

 

[Grailhunter]

He has to this point not addressed Scripture but has told us all how he thinks it should be, in his opinion, with a huge scoop of rage, false accusations and callow behavior.

The reality of your religion

 

[Giuliano]

If every action and thought is under the control of their god, it nullifies, choice, free-will, belief, faith, scriptures, love, grace, prayers, salvation, and good deeds because all of that was forced on them so none of that is to their merit or free-will. Alternatively this entity forces people to be bad, forces them to sin and then damns them to hell. By no sin of their own they are damned to be tortured forever, no free-will, no escape, no mercy, just predetermined damnation.

Nothing really matters. . . .

 

[Waiting on him]

John 15:16 KJV
[16] Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

So Gods method changed?

Tecarta Bible

 

[Grailhunter]

Why don't you deal with the Scriptures I posted? You asked me to show you from the Scriptures!!!

I understand your scriptures and also understand how people use them to form whatever they want to believe. There is no Christian cult out there that has not used the scriptures...they all use them. The Spirit of Christ and the Spirit of Christianity is part of understanding the scriptures. Satan knows the scriptures well....and he can influence people to form evil and slanderous beliefs. How many evil groups with Bible in hand have perverted the Spirit of Christ!

 

[Waiting on him]

I understand your scriptures and also understand how people use them to form whatever they want to believe. There is no Christian cult out there that has not used the scriptures...they all use them. The Spirit of Christ and the Spirit of Christianity is part of understanding the scriptures. Satan knows the scriptures well....and he can influence people to form evil and slanderous beliefs. How many evil groups with Bible in hand have perverted the Spirit of Christ!

So you have the real truth?

 

[Mjh29]

I understand your scriptures and also understand how people use them to form whatever they want to believe. There is no Christian cult out there that has not used the scriptures...they all use them. The Spirit of Christ and the Spirit of Christianity is part of understanding the scriptures. Satan knows the scriptures well....and he can influence people to form evil and slanderous beliefs. How many evil groups with Bible in hand have perverted the Spirit of Christ!

Oh... so cults use Scripture! Which would explain why you're not a cult, right???

Look, we both know this does not disprove the Scriptures that I presented... are you going to deal with them or not? Yes or no please; I have no time for people who don't care about Scriptures.

 

[Grailhunter]

Oh... so cults use Scripture! Which would explain why you're not a cult, right???

Look, we both know this does not disprove the Scriptures that I presented... are you going to deal with them or not? Yes or no please; I have no time for people who don't care about Scriptures.

Again!
I understand your scriptures and also understand how people use them to form whatever they want to believe. There is no Christian cult out there that has not used the scriptures...they all use them. The Spirit of Christ and the Spirit of Christianity is part of understanding the scriptures. Satan knows the scriptures well....and he can influence people to form evil and slanderous beliefs. How many evil groups with Bible in hand have perverted the Spirit of Christ!

 

[Waiting on him]

Oh... so cults use Scripture! Which would explain why you're not a cult, right???

Look, we both know this does not disprove the Scriptures that I presented... are you going to deal with them or not? Yes or no please; I have no time for people who don't care about Scriptures.

I’m going to work this is going no where. I was hoping to hear the real truth for the ten millionth time