Can Covid-19 spark a revival?

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WE ARE NOT "GIVEN THIS DAY", we are told to anticipate TOMORROW:

Lke 22:35 And he said to them, “When I sent you out with no purse or bag or sandals, did you lack anything?” They said, “Nothing.” 36 He said to them, “But now, let him who has a purse take it, and likewise a bag. And let him who has no sword sell his mantle and buy one.

And if you fail to heed GOD's instructions, you will suffer the consequences:

Rev. 18:4 Then I heard another voice from heaven saying,
“Come out of her, my people,
lest you take part in her sins,
lest you share in her plagues;


But we all choose,
Bobby Jo
Here is what Luke 22:36 is all about...
Luke 22:35-38



At first glance, Jesus Christ seems to be commanding His followers to sell even their clothing, if necessary, to buy weapons. But if we examine this scripture more closely, as well as the preceding and following events, we can better understand His instruction.

Christ first asks the disciples if they were provided for when He sent them out. His reference to an earlier event provides the background for the commands in Luke 22 (see the notes at Matthew 10:7-10). Jesus' earlier instructions—when the disciples were sent out as ambassadors to announce the presence of a King and a Kingdom—are distinctly different from these later instructions just before His death and resurrection, when He would no longer be with them in person.

With this background in mind, we can see the contrast in Christ's instructions, and how His death would require a change in approach for the disciples as they conducted His work.

In Luke 22, Jesus first calls to their attention that they were divinely provided for during His earthly ministry. They did not lack anything. He is reiterating that they will still be provided for, but their circumstances would not be as comfortable as before. They would have to trust even more and perhaps be satisfied with less. God would still provide for them, simply because it is a fundamental part of His nature, but things would not be as easy.

We can see this principle at work in the account of the first Pentecost after Christ's ascension. There were many signs and miracles, and undoubtedly every person present remembered that day for the rest of his life! As the church started out, there were miraculous healings and other gifts of the Spirit being manifested seemingly on a regular basis. However, when we read the accounts of the apostles later in their lives, there are no records of the same public miracles or healings.

Had God left them? Was He displeased with their work? Had they lost their faith? Was He limiting their supply of His Holy Spirit? On the contrary, the apostles were maturing spiritually, and God did not need to bolster their faith in the same way through astounding manifestations of His Spirit. "Elementary school" was over. Now they were growing up spiritually and had more serious work to do.

In the same way, Christ warned the disciples in Luke 22:36 that their responsibilities would be increased, their journeys lengthened, the dangers greater, and the physical costs higher. God would still be with them, but they would begin to be more acutely aware of their physical circumstances and have to trust in Him to an even greater degree.

Christ's instructions in verse 36 are primarily spiritual, but there are true physical principles in them as well. The disciples would be going on much longer and more arduous missions now, and they would have need of a moneybag and knapsack. But shortly after His original instructions to the disciples in Luke 9:3 and Luke 10:4, He showed them that material wealth is of little importance:

Sell what you have and give alms; provide yourselves money bags which do not grow old, a treasure in the heavens that does not fail, where no thief approaches nor moth destroys. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also. (Luke 12:33-34)

Yes, they would have need of bags to carry their provisions, but again, Christ teaches them not to be limited to the physical and temporal in their contemplations. It was exceedingly more important that the "bags" the disciples carried with them be spiritual moneybags, symbolizing good works that would never decay or be stolen. While there was a physical application of His instruction, the real lesson was a spiritual one.

In the same way, Christ's instruction to buy a sword had an immediate application in that it would fulfill in part the prophecy of Isaiah 53:12: By carrying weapons, the disciples would be classified by others as transgressors or criminals. In this instance also, the spiritual application far outweighs the physical.

The disciples' reaction shows that they did not really grasp His intent. Their response is, "Lord, look, here are two swords," to which He replies, "It is enough." He is not saying that two swords would be enough to defend twelve men. If that were His intent, He would have said, "They are enough." Instead, He is showing that the discussion was over. It was a mild rebuke showing that the matter was closed, as in "Enough of this!"

Through His capture and trial, Jesus Christ demonstrates that neither He, nor the disciples, nor anyone following Him, needs to take up a weapon:

But Jesus said to [Judas], "Friend, why have you come?" Then they came and laid hands on Jesus and took Him. And suddenly, one of those who were with Jesus [Peter (John 18:10)] stretched out his hand and drew his sword, struck the servant of the high priest, and cut off his ear. Then Jesus said to him, "Put your sword in its place, for all who take the sword will perish by the sword. Or do you think that I cannot now pray to My Father, and He will provide Me with more than twelve legions of angels?" (Matthew 26:50-53)

The parallel account in Luke 22:49-51 shows that Christ was so opposed to this sort of violent reaction by Peter that He miraculously undid what Peter had done!
 
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Big difference in your trusting yourself vs who Jesus says to trust.

Lke 22:35 And he said to them, “When I sent you out with no purse or bag or sandals, did you lack anything?” They said, “Nothing.” 36 He said to them, “But now, let him who has a purse take it, and likewise a bag. And let him who has no sword sell his mantle and buy one.


Yep, I jumped in my DeLorean, got it up to 88mph and went back in time, so that I could write the Book of Luke under the pseudonym of "Luke", -- to convince you that Jesus said something HE really didn't say.

Whew,
Bobby Jo
 

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Here is what Luke 22:36 is all about...

..Christ's instruction to buy a sword had an immediate application in that it would fulfill in part the prophecy of Isaiah 53:12: By carrying weapons, the disciples would be classified by others as transgressors or criminals. ...

... and the "PURSE" and "BAG" were included in the equipping of the "criminals" so that when they were arrested they might either bribe (PURSE) their way out of jail, or have sufficient resources (BAG) to at least be comfortable.


Oh, wait. The Disciples weren't arrested, ONLY JESUS was arrested. So maybe Jesus was speaking to himself in the "third person".
Bobby Jo
 

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Coronavirus is obviously bad, but can it be a bad situation turned to good?

And amongst this, megachurches have been closing their doors, as I mentioned in another thread. Will they have to start relying on God for their needs totally and maybe even start downsizing?

The point I am getting at, is even though Coronavirus is bad, even though I believe God did not cause it to happen, God could be allowing it to happen to turn people back to Him.
He says "let the righteous be becoming more righteous; the wicked are becoming more wicked"
Yep, I jumped in my DeLorean, got it up to 88mph and went back in time, so that I could write the Book of Luke under the pseudonym of "Luke", -- to convince you that Jesus said something HE really didn't say.

Whew,
Bobby Jo
COOL! :)



... ... um, hey, wait, just a minute.... are you joshing me ?


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at least be comfortable.
No. Strange ideas btw.

They did not seek comfort.

They followed Jesus wherever He led them, as directed by Him, as written.

They know what Jesus says: WOE (not good) to you who are comfortable (or worse who seek comfort?) ... now, for you have received your comfort (and torment is in your future (thus "WOE") ) ....
 

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... and the "PURSE" and "BAG" were included in the equipping of the "criminals" so that when they were arrested they might either bribe (PURSE) their way out of jail, or have sufficient resources (BAG) to at least be comfortable.


Oh, wait. The Disciples weren't arrested, ONLY JESUS was arrested. So maybe Jesus was speaking to himself in the "third person".
Bobby Jo
The focus wasn't on the disciples at that moment....it was all about Jesus....the disciples were martyred later for preaching the Gospel of Christ.
The scripture you keep quoting is a metaphor....it is intended to prepare the minds of His Disciples that after He is gone things were going to get a little tough....no more life on the easy street.
 

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revival has to come from with in.. i do not see a big revival it can happen/ what will happen you will have those who turn to God and those who turn towards God one cries out from the mouth.the other from the heart
 

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revival has to come from with in.. i do not see a big revival it can happen/ what will happen you will have those who turn to God and those who turn towards God one cries out from the mouth.the other from the heart
And or perhaps better: from God. Society does not look like it wants anything at all to do with God, does it ?
 

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The focus wasn't on the disciples at that moment....it was all about Jesus.... .

That's what I said, -- that Jesus was speaking to Himself in the "third person", and NEVER intended that his DISCIPLES lacked nothing when HE sent them out, -- because Jesus was speaking of sending HIMSELF out. And when Jesus was giving HIMSELF new instructions, HE again was speaking to HIMSELF when HE would have to either bribe HIMSELF out of Jail, or be comfortable while in jail.

So we AGREE! :)
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and NEVER intended that his DISCIPLES lacked nothing
Clarify?

Hebrews 13:5 Keep your lives free from the love of money and ...

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Let your conduct be without covetousness; be content with such things as you have. For He Himself has said, “I will never leave you nor forsake you.” King James ...


The Expanded Translation of the New Testament translates Hebrews 13:5 in precisely that way: “For He Himself has said, and the statement is on record, I will not, I will not cease to sustain and uphold you. I will not, I will not, I will not let you down.”
 

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Re:
Lke 22:35 And he said to them, “When I sent you out with no purse or bag or sandals, did you lack anything?” They said, “Nothing.” 36 He said to them, “But now, let him who has a purse take it, and likewise a bag. And let him who has no sword sell his mantle and buy one.

Heart2Soul seems correct.
You don't seem to be correct.

What are you talking about, -- WE JUST AGREED WITH EACH OTHER:

Heart2Soul said:
The focus wasn't on the disciples at that moment....it was all about Jesus.... .

Bobby Jo said:
That's what I said, -- that Jesus was speaking to Himself in the "third person", and NEVER intended that his DISCIPLES lacked nothing when HE sent them out, -- because Jesus was speaking of sending HIMSELF out. And when Jesus was giving HIMSELF new instructions, HE again was speaking to HIMSELF when HE would have to either bribe HIMSELF out of Jail, or be comfortable while in jail.


So if we're both CORRECT, then that means YOU'RE WRONG! -- I wonder how many times a person can be WRONG is the SAME DAY. :)
Bobby Jo
 

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The focus wasn't on the disciples at that moment....it was all about Jesus.... .
This makes sense, even if Jesus concern for the disciples was still in agreement with His Father's Plan (i.e. Jesus never forgot them).
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This , however, makes no sense at all:
Bobby Jo said:
That's what I said, -- that Jesus was speaking to Himself in the "third person", and NEVER intended that his DISCIPLES lacked nothing when HE sent them out, -- because Jesus was speaking of sending HIMSELF out. And when Jesus was giving HIMSELF new instructions, HE again was speaking to HIMSELF when HE would have to either bribe HIMSELF out of Jail, or be comfortable while in jail.
 

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Bobby Jo said:
The focus wasn't on the disciples at that moment....it was all about Jesus.... .

@Joseph77
This makes sense, even if Jesus concern for the disciples was still in agreement with His Father's Plan (i.e. Jesus never forgot them).
This , however, makes no sense at all:

Bobby Jo said:
That's what I said, -- that Jesus was speaking to Himself in the "third person", and NEVER intended that his DISCIPLES lacked nothing when HE sent them out, -- because Jesus was speaking of sending HIMSELF out. And when Jesus was giving HIMSELF new instructions, HE again was speaking to HIMSELF when HE would have to either bribe HIMSELF out of Jail, or be comfortable while in jail.


-- So what I said makes sense, but what I said makes no sense?


Are there two of you, and YOU can't agree between yourselves?
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Bobby Jo said:
The focus wasn't on the disciples at that moment....it was all about Jesus.... .
This makes sense, even if Jesus concern for the disciples was still in agreement with His Father's Plan (i.e. Jesus never forgot them).
 

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This , however, makes no sense at all:

That's what I said, -- that Jesus was speaking to Himself in the "third person", and NEVER intended that his DISCIPLES lacked nothing when HE sent them out, -- because Jesus was speaking of sending HIMSELF out. And when Jesus was giving HIMSELF new instructions, HE again was speaking to HIMSELF when HE would have to either bribe HIMSELF out of Jail, or be comfortable while in jail.
 

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Bobby Jo said:
The focus wasn't on the disciples at that moment....it was all about Jesus.... .
This makes sense, even if Jesus concern for the disciples was still in agreement with His Father's Plan (i.e. Jesus never forgot them).

See? I am CORRECT. So PLEASE retract all the FALSE claims you've made against my POSTS! ;)

Bobby Jo