You wouldn't be calling me a crash-test dummy now, would you?LoL!
Yes. But not everyone has passed their spiritual driver's test yet.
While accurate, it still wouldn't be nice!
Can salvation be lost
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While accurate, it still wouldn't be nice!
Hidden In Him
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Do you have a wife? Maybe it's time to let her brush your hair. Or maybe your mom?
mailmandan
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Amen! Those who depart from "the faith" (Greek tês pisteôs) means the apostolic faith, the New Testament apostolic body of doctrines. Some who are in a state of professing adherence to the apostolic faith, nevertheless will in both doctrine and practice depart from it, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, as we read in 1 Timothy 4:1, demonstrating they are not saints who are preserved forever.
You can't depart from the Faith unless you were of the Faith. They WERE Christians.
Hidden In Him
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You wouldn't be calling me a crash-test dummy now, would you?
While accurate, it still wouldn't be nice!
I may have just found your hairbrush. It's at the end of this GIF, LoL.
funny crash test dummy GIF - Bing
Like my hairbrush, I also lost her...I hope I can get them both back. With God, all things are possible.
However, my mom passed back in 2004. Her name is Beulah Harper. When she was young, she led song in church. No one was ever kinder to me.
However, my mom passed back in 2004. Her name is Beulah Harper. When she was young, she led song in church. No one was ever kinder to me.
Hidden In Him
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Like my hairbrush, I also lost her...I hope I can get them both back. With God, all things are possible.
That's what will make it all worth while. Going home.
Amen!
That's what will make it all worth while. Going home.
mailmandan
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Typical flawed argument. You can depart from a state of professing adherence to the faith, which was the case. Christians/saints are preserved forever. (Psalm 37:28) Your argument is not in harmony with being preserved forever. There are genuine Christians and there are "nominal" Christians. There are genuine believers and there are make believers throughout scripture mixed together. (Matthew 7:22-23; Matthew 13:24-30; 2 Corinthians 11:26; Galatians 2:4; 2 Corinthians 11:13-14; 2 Peter 2:1-3; 1 John 2:19; Jude 1:4)
I hope you're right! I can't lose! I hope you don't have blood on your hands on Judgment Day.
mailmandan
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Why would I have blood on my hands? I don't teach a license to sin or that unbelievers will be saved. I teach that genuine believers will be saved and God preserves His saints and they are sealed with the Holy Spirit until the redemption of the purchased possession/unto the day of redemption (Psalm 37:28; Ephesians 1:13-14; 4:30) just like scripture says.
Why preach OSAS? What does it accomplish? You tell baby Christians they can do anything and NEVER be lost?
mailmandan
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You keep saying, "you can't lose" yet are you trusting in Jesus Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of your salvation from beginning to end? I often hear people in the NOSAS camp teach that Jesus initially saves us by grace through faith, then after that it's "our performance" (works) that keep us saved. That's what I call "type 2 works salvation" yet not everyone in the NOSAS camp teaches that.
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Translation: If you don't believe OSAS you're not saved!
OSASers are the most judgmental people I have ever conversed with!
mailmandan
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I don't tell them they can do anything and encourage a license to sin. Those who are truly born of God have become "partakers of the divine nature" (2 Peter 1:4) and have new appetites and desires.
mailmandan
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OSASers nearly always imply that anyone who doesn't swallow OSAS is not saved!
