The original languages are ambiguous in many places. And for example English is also quite ambiguous language. So, it is imprecise data to another imprecise data, which results in, well... a lot of misunderstanding and speculation.
Can the Bible contain mistakes?
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That is not the clear rule.
HOW to know if something is inspired by God?
Muslims believe the Quran is inspired by God.
This is from my post no. 23:
The following criteria had to be met:
1. Church leaders often appealed to the agreement of the book with what they called “the rule of faith.” This meant that the teaching of the book followed the beliefs the church regarded as acceptable and correct.
2. The book had to demonstrate apostolicity. This criterion required authorship by an apostle or by the associate of an apostle (as in the instance of Mark and Luke).
3. The church applied the test of universality. This required that the book be accepted by a broad geographical segment of the church.
These three criteria can be described as orthodoxy, apostolicity, and universality.
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Scholars, by using textual criticism generally estimate the accuracy to be around 99.5% to 99.9%, stating that variations are minor spelling, word order, or other trivial errors, not affecting core theology. Ruth Graham once said she had about 20 versions of the Bible and they all said the same thing.
All major denominations agree on core principles, the fundamentals. There are essential doctrines and beliefs and then non-essential doctrines and beliefs that we usually find disagreement with.
The main purpose in life for God's elect is for us _ at some point in our lives _ to reconcile with God through Christ.
Jesus died for our sins, was buried and rose on the third day according to the scriptures. Knowing Christ requires reading His story and you can pick up any of nearly 60 English versions of the Bible that will familiarize you with Him. There are a dozen more popular ones favored. Then somewhere along that journey, He removes the veil of blindness so you can see. Then you put your faith in Him, do what He says and live with a different perspective of life - it changes. This is a relationship, daily and we are given a Helper / Counselor, the Holy Spirit, to guide us through to the end of this life and into the next.
When you see Christians arguing about doctrinal differences, usually these issues do not invalidate our faith in Christ. The only prerequisite for salvation is believing that He died for our sins, was buried and rose from the dead.
If we had to pass a doctrinal test and God required that we needed a perfect score to get into heaven,, not many would pass.
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The very first question ever asked in Scripture came from the serpent’s mouth in Genesis 3:1, “Yea, hath God said…?” That question still echoes in our day. Every challenge to the authority, truth or perfection of God’s Word traces back to that same satanic seed of doubt. Scripture declares plainly that “All Scripture is given by inspiration of God” (2 Timothy 3:16). The Greek word theopneustos means “God-breathed.” If it comes from the mouth of God, then by His very nature it cannot contain error, for “God is not a man, that He should lie” (Numbers 23:19). To say the Bible contains mistakes is to accuse God Himself of imperfection, which is impossible.
Psalm 19: 7 says, “The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.” Psalm 12:6 adds, “The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.” Jesus confirmed this when He said, “Thy word is truth” (John 17:17) and “the Scripture cannot be broken” (John 10:35). So yes, men physically wrote the Bible, but they were “moved by the Holy Spirit” (2 Peter 1:21). The Spirit did not merely influence them; He carried them along, ensuring that every word written was precisely what God intended.
The reason there are so many denominations is not because Scripture is unclear, but because men are. The Bible interprets itself when read honestly and in context. Division arises when people twist or ignore verses to fit human opinion or tradition. Paul warned of this in 2 Timothy 4:3–4, saying that many will not endure sound doctrine but will turn away from truth. God’s Word is not contradictory; it is people who contradict it by leaning on their own understanding (Proverbs 3:5–6).
The Holy Spirit’s role is not to give each believer a private version of truth, but to “guide you into all truth” (John 16:13) the same truth revealed in Scripture. When two people claim the Spirit led them to opposite conclusions, at least one of them is not yielding to the Spirit but to their flesh or bias. The Spirit never contradicts Himself, and He never says anything contrary to the written Word He inspired.
A true Christian cannot “reinterpret” or deny verses that are clear in meaning. Revelation 22:18–19 gives a solemn warning to anyone who adds to or takes away from the words of God. To do so is to sit in judgment over Scripture rather than submit to it. The Bible is not open for revision; it is God’s final authority. “Forever, O Lord, Thy word is settled in heaven” (Psalm 119:89).
So when Satan whispers, “Has God really said?” the answer of faith must always be, Yes, He has said it, and it is true.
I love the book and article you just referenced. It has footnotes of cited sources and documentation. And I just bought the book on Amazon to add to my library.ANY theological belief.
Wes Huff and even Bart Ehrmann have stated that the differences/errors have no bearing on any theology...they change nothing...the are irrelevant.
It would be interesting, if you could, to show some scripture re the trinity that is different from another...or something that is added on or deleted.
I've just never heard of this before.
Ok.
These do exist but eyewitnesses do see events differently and some timing is even different.
No Apostles at the time of the OT.
The following criteria had to be met:
1. Church leaders often appealed to the agreement of the book with what they called “the rule of faith.” This meant that the teaching of the book followed the beliefs the church regarded as acceptable and correct.
2. The book had to demonstrate apostolicity. This criterion required authorship by an apostle or by the associate of an apostle (as in the instance of Mark and Luke).
3. The church applied the test of universality. This required that the book be accepted by a broad geographical segment of the church.
These three criteria can be described as orthodoxy, apostolicity, and universality.
A Criteria for the Canon
The Operation of Bishops in the Early Christian Eraepiscopalschool.teachable.com
I used the above article for support,,,however these 3 are accepted by all mainline denominations.
The Chicago statement on biblical inerrancy
Preface The authority of Scripture is a key issue for the Christian Church in this and every age. Those who profess faith in Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour are called to show the reality of their discipleship by humbly and faithfully obeying God’s written Word. To stray from Scripture in faith...
Here's another link that gives a good summary.
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You’re building your entire argument on ideas the Bible never teaches. Let’s call them what they are.
Error 1: Treating God’s Word like a human document.
You talk about the Bible being “99 percent accurate” as if God makes technical errors. Scripture does not speak that way. “All Scripture is God breathed” ~2 Timothy 3:16. “The words of the Lord are pure words” ~Psalm 12:6. God does not produce “mostly right” revelation.
Error 2: Blaming denominations for supposed confusion in the Bible.
Disagreement among Christians does not mean Scripture is unclear. Scripture says the opposite. People twist it because of their own hardness and instability ~2 Peter 3:16 and ~Matthew 13:15. The problem is with man, not with the Word of God.
Error 3: Claiming the Holy Spirit gives contradictory interpretations.
That is impossible. Jesus said the Spirit “will guide you into all truth” ~John 16:13. Truth does not contradict itself. When people claim the Spirit while denying the Word He breathed, that is not the Spirit speaking. That is the flesh.
Error 4: Suggesting Christians can reinterpret or deny verses.
You asked if we can “reinterpret or deny” parts of the Bible. Jesus already answered that. “The Scripture cannot be broken” ~John 10:35. If Christ says it cannot be broken, then no one has permission to bend it.
Error 5: Reducing salvation to the smallest possible formula.
You treat doctrine like a non-issue, but Scripture says doctrine is how God guards truth. “Watch your life and doctrine closely” ~1 Timothy 4:16. Saving faith is never bare intellectual assent. Scripture says obedience and repentance show that the faith is real ~1 John 2:3-4.
Error 6: Acting like getting truth wrong doesn’t affect salvation.
Jesus said the opposite. “He who does not believe is condemned already” ~John 3:18. If you reject the truth God revealed, you are not walking in saving faith. God does not honor unbelief.
The Bible is perfect. People are not. Only one of those is allowed to define truth. And it isn’t us.
If you want clarity, trust what God actually said instead of trying to adjust Scripture to fit human comfort. The Spirit never contradicts the Word. The Word never contradicts itself. And the people who belong to Christ submit to both.
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You might want to realize the Bible is a man made document.
John 1 gives us insight into what is the word of God.
If God wrote the Bible, man would have never changed a word of it. But they did.
In fact,they presume to judge what qualified to be included in what they said was the "Canonical" version.
The actual Word of God is God.
The Bible is man seeking control of man in the name of God.
Even so,God still tells us His truth in that document. But,as Jesus said, you must have the eyes to see. Because the truth shall set you free.
God is a Spirit. You must worship God in Spirit.
But,you can only believe in Him by first believing in what is written on Paper?
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Hello ProverbsInPink, why do you say that/what do you mean, specifically
Thanks 
I think John 1 certainly gives us insight into "Who" is the "Word" of God (who and what He truly is). However, I don't believe that John 1 is attempting to say that Jesus in the Word of God in the same way that the Bible is the word of God.
Whenever/wherever the Lord Jesus taught when He walked among us as a man, the "Word of God" (IOW, the Lord Jesus Christ) quoted the "word of God" (the Bible), in great part as evidence to the people that what He was saying to them (& now to us) was true (saying, for instance, "it is written", again and again and again, yes?).
What evidence do we have that that's true (that we "changed" what the Bible said)? The evidence that I know of seems to prove that it was never changed (at least not in any sort of signifigant/important way).
Who is the "they" of whom you speak above? BTW, we know that the human "authors" knew (as they were writing the Bible) that what they were writing was Holy Scripture (e.g. 2 Peter 3:15-17), just FYI.
Please elaborate. What do you mean when you say that, specifically
Thanks again Yes, the "Gospel" is for unbelievers (who cannot "see" .. e.g. 1 Corinthians 2:14), the rest of the Bible is for believers who can (see, understand, except and believe the Bible for what it really is, the "breathed" word of God .. e.g. 1 Corinthians 2:12-13, 15-16 .. I included v14 here as well so that the passage can be read as a whole).
Finally, if what you say is true about the Bible, that God's truth is 'somewhere in there', how do we decide which parts are God-breathed and, therefore, binding upon our hearts, and which parts of it are not
God bless you!!
--Papa Smurf
p.s. - I looked at your church's website and its SoF, and it seems to regard the Bible in pretty much the same way that the rest of the Christian church does (e.g. that the "whole" of the Bible is the inspired word of God). Is that how you would assess it too, or am I missing something important in your church's teaching that I am not seeing in the SoF? .. scroll down to #2 here: Our Mission and Beliefs — The Church of God International .. Thanks again!
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To be fair, there's really only two types of Christianity: traditional and Protestant.
The Orthodox Church is the oldest. Catholicism branched off from them. The main difference being Catholics believe in a Pope. From there, Protestants sought to fix issues in Catholicism and from Protestantism splintered off thousands of denominations within it. Orthodox and Catholic have stayed largely the same over centuries.
The reason why there's so many different types of Protestantism is because they emphasize that anyone can interpret the Bible for themselves and come to the right conclusions. But interpretation being left up to individuals often leads to churches splitting and splintering under various names. Cults, too.
The main thing Protestants believe are faith alone, by grace alone, for the glory of God alone, and Scripture alone. Catholics and Orthodox dont believe in faith alone. They believe you need faith and works for salvation. They believe Scripture interpretation should be checked by tradition.
Orthodoxy and Catholicism are like the much older brothers with Protestantism being like a wild, rogue, younger one that distrust authority.
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I would think it is clear. Man published,wrote,the Bible.Hello ProverbsInPink, why do you say that/what do you mean, specifically
Did you notice in its history ,The Words of God, were never on the cover.
God spoke to man far before scribes,scrolls or printing presses.
The Bible is a guide. Not an idol or icon.
He rew scrolls,yes. Which his Hebrew audience were familiar with even though most were illiterate.
Look deeper.
See above.
Ten ecumenical councils,as a start.Please elaborate. What you mean when you say that, specifically
If the New Testament parts counter the Old,that's not of God.Yes, the "Gospel" is for unbelievers (who cannot "see" .. e.g. 1 Corinthians 2:14), the rest of the Bible is for believers who can (see, understand, except and believe the Bible for what it really is, the "breathed" word of God .. e.g. 1 Corinthians 2:12-13, 15-16 .. I included v14 here as well so that the passage can be read as a whole).
Finally, if what you say is true about the Bible, that God's truth is 'somewhere in there', how do we decide which parts are God-breathed and, therefore, binding upon our hearts, and which parts of it are not
God bless you!!
--Papa Smurf
p.s. - I looked at your church's website and its SoF, and it seems to regard the Bible in pretty much the same way that the rest of the Christian church does (e.g. that the "whole" of the Bible is the inspired word of God). Is that how you would assess it too, or am I missing something important in your church's teaching that I am not seeing in the SoF? .. scroll down to #2 here: Our Mission and Beliefs — The Church of God International .. Thanks again!
If any part of the NT,majority is authored,allegedly,by Paul,counter the teachings of Jesus Gospel,that is falsehood.
Remember what Jesus told his Disciples? And how we seek him?
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Do not distort what I said and communicated. The Word that came from GOD is pure. In translating the original Greek, errors were made. My argument was, that you did not understand, was in support of its reliabliity. Tha even the occasional misspelled words or flip flop phrases that occur, doctrines are not effected.
Ir means certain scriptures are unclear to each and every individual across the board. Ww start out ignorant and grow spiritually, like a child starts kindergarten and eventually learns the knowledge of God over time, a lifetime.
Never said that! He is the Spirit of Truth and ALL His counsel is for each person, perfectly and gradually taught. He sometimes is silent for a purpose. An example would be the Book of Revelation. The Body is not in unity concerning this book. The are many interpretations. Is the Holy Spirit teaching us differently? No. If all the different views exist among Christians who all supposed to be the Temple of the Holy Spirit, why are there so many views? Maybe He is silent, and has left it a mystery? He told Daniel to seal it up. It wasn't for him to know and evidently wasn't for Christians throughout the ages to discipher these mysteries until the last generation when He would reveal more.
Get real. Christians err in interpreting the Bible. It is a fact. Haven't you noticed? And they distort the Bible just like you distorted everything I said!
Your post is an obscene attack, slanderous. Are you trying to assassinate my character? This tactic is commonly used by liberals, wicked unbelievers - right out of the Democrat Playbook! Nice.
I am wondering if you actually posses the Holy Spirit, because the fruit of the Holy Spirit is love, peace, joy, kindness, gentleness, self control, patience, goodness and faith. I do not see any of these qualities in your post.
What? Belief that Jesus died for our sins, was buried and rose on the third day is the Gospel. (1 COR. 15:1-4)
The Word of God is perfect, but all the Greek manuscripts, over 5000, are not exactly the same. As I said minors variations exist that do not effect the message. My point was to counter the OP. I was lifting up the Word not tearing it down.
Here is a scripture for you, you need some work in these areas:
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. Gal. 5:22-23
"All Scripture is breathed out by God (theopneustos) and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work." (2 Tim 3,16-17)
No ones argues that God didn't use men in writing down the very Scriptures, or that He didn't use men when He published His word orally. But He used them in such a way that as they were writing, and as they were preaching (prophesying), they were under such an influence of the Holy Ghost that the very words they wrote or preached were immediately from Him, they emanted from Him as the ultimate source and origin.
That's why you see the ultimate reverence the authors of, and the holy people in the Bible give to both His written and spoken word. That's their highest court of appeal in any theological debate. As they were prophesying, they were carried along by the Holy Ghost (2. Peter Chapter 1, Verses 19-21), and the result of what they wrote is the very breath of God (theopneustos, 2 Tim 3,16-17).
"But one of them, Caiaphas, who was high priest that year, said to them, “You know nothing at all. Nor do you understand that it is better for you that one man should die for the people, not that the whole nation should perish.” He did not say this of his own accord, but being high priest that year he prophesied that Jesus would die for the nation, and not for the nation only, but also to gather into one the children of God who are scattered abroad." (Joh 11,49-51)
Caiaphas prophesied, because at that very moment he was being carried along by the Holy Ghost. That's why the text says (the phenomena described in 2. Peter 1) that he didn't say this of his own accord.
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The Bible also states that even if the entire earth were filled with copies of this book, it still wouldn't be enough to contain all the content. Therefore, it is possible that many things are not solely based on the teachings in the Bible. For instance, the viewpoints of many prophets in the Old Testament may not be entirely accurate. Perhaps someone's perspective is more appropriate than theirs.
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You are not speaking with the voice of Scripture. You are speaking against it. When you claim the Bible is “man made,” you are denying what God Himself has said about His own Word. That is not a small error. That is rejecting the very foundation of truth.
Scripture does not call itself a human book. God says, “All Scripture is God breathed” ~2 Timothy 3:16. Either God breathed it, or He didn’t. There is no middle ground. When you say man “changed it,” you are calling God a weak author who cannot preserve what He breathed out. But Scripture says, “The words of the Lord are pure words” ~Psalm 12:6 and that He “preserves them forever” ~Psalm 12:7. God is not powerless. His Word stands because He upholds it.
You also twisted John 1. “The Word was God” ~John 1:1 does not mean the written Word is man-made. It means Jesus is the eternal Word made flesh ~John 1:14. The same Jesus who is the living Word is the One who affirmed the written Word. He said, “Thy word is truth” ~John 17:17. He said, “The Scripture cannot be broken” ~John 10:35. You are contradicting the Christ you claim to follow.
You said the Bible is “man seeking control of man.” That is the language of unbelief, not the Spirit of God. Scripture says, “Holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Ghost” ~2 Peter 1:21. The source is the Spirit, not human control. When someone calls God’s inspired Word a tool of human power, they are speaking against the Spirit who gave it.
You said God is Spirit and must be worshipped in Spirit. Jesus said that too ~John 4:24. But worshipping in Spirit never replaces obedience to the Word God has spoken. In fact, the Spirit and the Word never separate. Jesus said the Spirit “will bring to your remembrance all things that I have said to you” ~John 14:26. The Spirit confirms Scripture. He does not contradict it.
Your question, “Must you believe in Him by first believing what is written on paper?” has a simple answer. Yes. God commands it. “Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God” ~Romans 10:17. You cannot know the true God while rejecting the Word He gave to reveal Himself.
So let’s be clear.
If you deny the inspiration of Scripture, you deny the God who breathed it.
If you call His Word man-made, you set yourself against the truth.
If you claim the Bible is unreliable, you call God a liar, because He said He preserves His Word forever.
You are not defending truth. You are attacking the foundation of truth. The Spirit of God does not lead anyone to reject Scripture. The god of this world does ~2 Corinthians 4:4.
If you want freedom, Jesus said where it comes from.
“You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free” ~John 8:32.
But rejecting the Word that God calls “truth” will never lead you there.
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Your argument contradicts Scripture’s testimony about itself. The Bible never teaches the prophets were presenting “inaccurate viewpoints.” It teaches the opposite. “All Scripture is God breathed” ~2 Timothy 3:16. This means the words they wrote did not come from human opinion. They came from the mouth of God. Peter says the prophets “spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost” ~2 Peter 1:21. The Greek word means carried along. They were not sharing private viewpoints. They were declaring God’s own words.
Your citation of the world not being able to contain all the things Jesus did comes from ~John 21:25. That verse is not speaking of the accuracy of Scripture or veiled doctrines. It simply says Jesus did far more than was recorded. It never says the written Word is incomplete, insufficient, or filled with human error. In fact, Scripture says the opposite. “The testimony of the Lord is sure” ~Psalm 19:7. “The words of the Lord are pure words” ~Psalm 12:6. God does not give defective revelation.
To suggest that a person today may have a “more appropriate” viewpoint than the prophets is to set man’s ideas above God’s Word. Scripture condemns that. “Do not add to His words, lest He rebuke you and you be found a liar” ~Proverbs 30:6. The prophets did not speak for themselves. They spoke for God. Anyone who claims to speak more accurately than them is contradicting the God who spoke through them.
If you desire the truth, look to the Word God breathed out, not to ideas that seek to be above it.
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Are you sure the prophet didn't add his personal opinions to it?
Is a villain born evil?
If so, why does the Old Testament contain passages that suggest villains are inherently such?
God said he made all things in,good.
And for good reason. What Catholicism did in Europe with their authority was horrible. And people who wanted to reform the church were jailed, tortured or even burnt at stake. Catholicism was even killing common people for just owning Bible as if it were some kind of serious crime.
That is why we have protestantism today as a different branch that distrusts church authorities and traditions.
There's a reason why the Reformation happened. But it did lay the foundation for thousands of church splits.
Having just one church that is wrong and kills everybody with a different opinion is not better than having free "thousands of churches" (actually, it is like five with different names or minor details differences) splits.
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You keep accusing me of distorting you, but you have not answered a single verse I gave. Scripture, not emotion, not accusations, is the standard. “Let God be true but every man a liar” ~Romans 3:4. So let’s measure your claims by the Word.
First, you say translation variations mean doctrines might look unclear. That is false. Scripture says the words of the Lord are pure ~Psalm 12:6. God breathed out the originals ~2 Timothy 3:16. The minor manuscript differences do not touch doctrine, and nothing in Scripture ever suggests God failed to preserve His message. The confusion is never because God whispered unclearly. It is because man is slow to believe ~Luke 24:25.
Second, you claim certain Scriptures are unclear to all believers. Scripture says the opposite. God gives light to the simple ~Psalm 119:130. Jesus said His sheep hear His voice ~John 10:27. The problem is not that the Word is unclear. The problem is that people approach it with unbelief, pride, or tradition in their heads instead of letting the text speak.
Third, you claim the Spirit might be silent on Revelation. That is not biblical. Scripture says the Spirit guides believers into all truth ~John 16:13. The command is to read, hear, and keep the words of the prophecy ~Revelation 1:3. God never says He is withholding clarity from the church. The issue is that many interpret Revelation through imagination instead of Scripture. That is not God’s silence. That is human speculation.
Fourth, you accuse me of lacking the fruit of the Spirit because I corrected what you wrote. That is misusing Scripture. The same Bible that teaches the fruit of the Spirit also commands believers to “rebuke sharply, that they may be sound in the faith” ~Titus 1:13. Correction is love when error is present. Paul opposed Peter to his face when he was wrong ~Galatians 2:11. That was not a fruit problem. That was obedience.
Fifth, you keep acting as if pointing to Scripture is slander. Slander is saying something false about someone. Repeating your claims back to you and measuring them by the text is not slander. It is exactly what Scripture commands. “Test all things” ~1 Thessalonians 5:21. “Judge with righteous judgment” ~John 7:24.
Sixth, you say Christians err in interpretation. Yes, they do. That is exactly what you are doing and why we must cling to Scripture as the final authority. Not human experience. Not emotion. Not tradition. Not class. Not psychology. Only the Word. The moment you say Scripture is unclear or that the Spirit might leave us in mystery instead of truth, you undermine the very authority you claim to defend.
Lastly, quoting ~Galatians 5:22-23 at someone to avoid correction is not the fruit of the Spirit. The fruit of the Spirit never cancels discernment. The Spirit gave the command to expose error ~Ephesians 5:11. God gives love and truth together. Never one against the other.
Your claims do not line up with Scripture in context. The Word of God is clear, pure, complete, and authoritative. When you move the authority from what God said to how people feel, how slowly they grow, or how many views exist, you are shifting the standard away from Scripture. And Scripture warns against that. “Do not add to His words, lest He rebuke you and you be found a liar” ~Proverbs 30:6.
If you want to defend your position, show the verses. Stop appealing to experience, feelings, or accusations. The Bible settles it. The question is whether you will submit to what God actually said.
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