Christ’s 1000 year reign

[GerhardEbersoehn]

 

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Same thing.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

n2thelight is correct, ALL still alive on earth on the day of Christ's future return are 'changed' at that "last trump" of 1 Corinthians 15. The Isaiah 25 Scripture points to that future event happening for all nations and peoples and that is where Apostle Paul was pulling from about the idea of death swallowed up in victory.

This is the reality of what The Bible teaches on this matter, as written. It is in opposition to the idea of only those in Christ being changed simply because men's traditions have also crept into Christ's Church that oppose God's Word.

One of man's traditions which has crept in that opposes Bible scripture on this is the Jew's theory that "the dead" of Revelation 20:5 represent dead that are still in the graves, and only resurrected at the GWT Judgment after the thousand years, yet that idea is a tradition of men simply because Jesus showed in John 5:28-29 that on the day of His future coming 'all' in the graves come forth, either to the resurrection of life, or to the resurrection of damnation. In reality then, The Bible teaches that all the dead are raised on the day of Christ's future return.

And that points to the need to understand the idea of 'the dead' in that future world, which is where many brethren fail in understanding God's Word about it. Like n2thelight said, all peoples are 'changed' to the "spiritual body" on that day of Christ's return, but not all will put on immortality in Christ Jesus. Apostle Paul showed this plainly in 1 Corinthians 15:49-54, it's just that those verses are merely skimmed through, and not fully understood. Paul showed to have eternal life in Christ Jesus, one must go through TWO changes on that day, the corruptible body (flesh) must put on incorruption (spiritual body), AND this mortal (soul) must put on immortality. Those still liable to die at the "second death" of Revelation 20 will still have mortal souls, not having put on immortality in Christ. It's that simple. That's the idea Apostle Paul was teaching in those later 1 Corinthians 15:49-54 verses.

This means "the dead" in that time of the thousand years means those who are still 'spiritually dead', with liable to die mortal souls at the "second death". No more flesh death in that world to come.

Stop your nonsense, Davy. You come across like you know it all about this topic and you know nothing. You are clearly not reading 1 Corinthians 15:49-54 carefully at all. You are apparently the one skimming through it and not understanding it. The context is that those who are changed also put on immortality. But, here you are saying that literally all, including unbelievers, will be changed, but only the believers put on immortality. That is NOT what Paul said! He said we will all be changed and put on immortality. Since believers are the only ones putting on immortality, then we are the only ones that will be changed to have immortal spiritual bodies. He clearly indicated that all who are changed also put on immortality and you are completely missing that. Try to read the passage objectively for once and see what you discover.

Right there Apostle Paul included ALL.

All believers. When he said "we" will all be changed, he was referring to himself and all of his fellow believers, including us. That is the context. You are taking the passage completely out of context to make it fit your false doctrine.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Ironic coming from a poster whose majority of replies are: "LOL, that is just nonsense."

Stop posting nonsense and I'll stop posting replies like that. Deal? I have a feeling that you're not up to the challenge, though.

 

[Timtofly]

Stop posting nonsense and I'll stop posting replies like that. Deal? I have a feeling that you're not up to the challenge, though.

Some are not as outgoing as you are calling every thing they don't agree with, nonsense.

I respond to your nonsense, does that now make me condescending as well?

I post God's Word. You keep calling God's Word nonsense. Then you hide behind your opinion of God's Word.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Some are not as outgoing as you are calling every thing they don't agree with, nonsense.

I respond to your nonsense, does that now make me condescending as well?

I post God's Word. You keep calling God's Word nonsense. Then you hide behind your opinion of God's Word.

I would never call God's Word nonsense and you know it. It's your interpretations of His Word at times that I find to be nonsense. You have some beliefs that are all your own. I believe the fact that no one agrees with you on those things is evidence that your beliefs are nonsensical.

 

[Desire Of All Nations]

Right there Apostle Paul included ALL. And so does the Isaiah 25 chapter where he was pulling this from. If you read my post, didn't you bother to go read that Isaiah 25 scripture where Paul was pulling from?

Isa 25:5-9
5 Thou shalt bring down the noise of strangers, as the heat in a dry place; even the heat with the shadow of a cloud: the branch of the terrible ones shall be brought low.

6 And in this mountain shall the LORD of hosts make unto all people a feast of fat things, a feast of wines on the lees, of fat things full of marrow, of wines on the lees well refined.

7 And He will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations.

8 He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of His people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it.

9 And it shall be said in that day, "Lo, This is our God; we have waited for Him, and He will save us: This is the LORD; we have waited for Him, we will be glad and rejoice in His salvation."
KJV




All you are doing is trying to cast doubt against the Scripture just so you can keep your tradition of men.

It appears you don't really understand about the 'soul' condition per God's Word. Immortality is ONLY for those in Christ Jesus. The "spiritual body" is a heavenly type body for BOTH resurrection types, and that's all it is. It is a body for the soul to dwell in. There's TWO dimensions of existence per God's Word, not just this earthly one. And the Heavenly one is actually the more real, since God is a Spirit, and He created this material universe from Spirit of that Heavenly dimension (see Hebrews 11:3).

Don't you remember what Lord Jesus said about the blind Pharisees, comparing them to whited tombs that appear beautiful, clean and white on the outside, but inside are full of dead men's bones? (Matthew 23:27) That was to show their 'mortal' souls being in a spiritually dead condition even while their flesh was alive and walking upon the earth. It is the opposite idea of being "born again" by The Spirit. It is our 'soul' inside that is "born again", not our flesh body. This is why Lord Jesus showed us about the "resurrection of damnation" in John 5:28-29, that they are raised too on the day of His future return. Does that mean only the wicked dead will have the resurrection body, and not the wicked still alive on the last day? No, ALL... will have that body of the resurrection, which is what type of body per Apostle Paul? A "spiritual body". The only difference is that those still alive on that day ("last trump") have to be 'changed' to that spiritual body.

So stop and think in God's Word, quit listening to the hirelings that God didn't call. If none of the wicked are to have that "spiritual body" type, then WHY did Jesus show there will be a "resurrection of damnation" also? (see John 5:28-29; Acts 24:15). The simple idea of 'resurrection' means being raised to a "spiritual body", according to Apostle Paul. So why are you arguing against Paul on that?

The Bible completely disagrees with this position, especially because 1 Cor. 15:23 clearly shows Paul is referring to "those who are Christ's". They are the individuals being described as receiving immortality upon Christ's return. Isa. 25 further destroys your case because it is clearly shows God's people waiting for Christ's return and not the world.

It is completely incorrect to attribute Isa. 25 to the whole world for at least 2 solid reasons:

1. Rev. 11:18 says that the world will be angry when Christ returns:

"The nations were angry, and Your wrath has come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged,
and that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints, and those who fear Your name, small and great, and should destroy those who destroy the earth.”

2. The same passage also says God will reward His servants when Christ returns.

There is literally nothing about that passage that says God is going to reward people who hate Him with immortality. That is a completely illogical position to take.

 

[Davy]

The Bible completely disagrees with this position, especially because 1 Cor. 15:23 clearly shows Paul is referring to "those who are Christ's".
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Sorry but you are simply following a tradition of men, and need to dig deeper in understanding what Paul taught in 1 Corinthians 15 about the body TYPE that is the resurrection, and... the differences in that world to come between the raised wicked that will still be subject to the later "second death".

For example, per men's tradition on this, their wrong belief is that part of the wicked dead will be raised to a "spiritual body", while another part of the wicked still alive when Jesus comes, will still be in their old flesh bodies. Afterall, did you not understand Lord Jesus in John 5:28-29 that BOTH resurrection types occur on the day of His coming? You're simply not understand that the "spiritual body" is just a type body of the heavenly dimension. Jesus is going to open up the heavenly dimension here on earth, on that day of His coming. And that is the type 'change' Apostle Paul is talking about that will happen on that day, on that "last trump".

 

[bbyrd009]

During the 1000 year reign, where Jesus reigns with a rod of iron, will his rule be Old Testament decrees? Like death by stoning etc.?

1 Corinthians 15:24 Lexicon: then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power.
so near as i can tell, “ruling with a rod of iron” becomes a kind of tic way to say “wont allow any fascists to dictate laws” maybe?

when we become like little children, wouldnt we tend to overlook matters, and be forgiving?