Christ’s 1000 year reign

[ewq1938]

Matthew 25:31-46 shows people being judged at His second coming and the goats clearly do not refer to those who are in Christ.

The sheep are judged first, before the goats are judged. That supports Revelation 20 where the saints are resurrected and judged FIRST, and at a later time the unsaved (goats) are resurrected and judged. That is Premillennialism!

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The sheep are judged first, before the goats are judged.

Not 1000+ years before. We know that because the sheep and goats are all gathered before the throne AT THE SAME TIME, which you ignore.

Matthew 25:31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

You can't separate the sheep from the goats if they are not all there at the same time. And this makes it clear that all of the sheep and all of the goats are gathered before the throne at the same time and are then separated.

 

[ewq1938]

Not 1000+ years before. We know that because the sheep and goats are all gathered before the throne AT THE SAME TIME, which you ignore.

They aren't judged at the same time though which, again, is what Revelation also shows us which you ignore. Keep ignoring "the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished". That isn't going away. Two days of resurrection and judgment is what scripture presents while Amillennialism denies that and turns it all into one day of resurrection and judgment.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

They aren't judged at the same time though which, again, is what Revelation also shows us which you ignore. Keep ignoring "the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished". That isn't going away. Two days of resurrection and judgment is what scripture presents while Amillennialism denies that and turns it all into one day of resurrection and judgment.

You want me to believe that the goats are left standing there for 1000+ years waiting to be judged? Can't you see how ridiculous that notion is? The judgment will happen within the realm of eternity, so time won't be a factor. Imagine Him having to judge billions of people within the realm of time as we know it. That would be insane. But, it's not going to happen that way.

You're not even thinking this through. You're not being objective about this at all. It clearly would make no sense to gather the sheep (saved) and goats (lost) at the same time if one group wasn't even judged until 1000+ years later. Also, it doesn't even say that the sheep are judged first. It only shows Jesus telling them to inherit the kingdom just before He tells the goats to depart from Him. He won't say those things until all the judging is over first (that includes each person giving an account of themselves - Romans 14:10-12).

 

[ewq1938]

You want me to believe that the goats are left standing there for 1000+ years waiting to be judged?

The goats are separated from the sheep, so they are not "standing there". They will live all over the Earth as Revelation 20 shows and will be judged after being killed.

Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The goats are separated from the sheep, so they are not "standing there". They will live all over the Earth as Revelation 20 shows and will be judged after being killed.

Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

This is incredibly farfetched. Where is this found in Matthew 25:31-46? Nowhere. That passage shows them being gathered before the throne of judgment. Why would they be gathered before the throne of judgment only to be allowed to live for a thousand plus more years until actually being judged? That is complete nonsense.

When do you think the end of the age will occur? Do you believe it will occur when Jesus returns, which I believe is implied in the disciples question in Matthew 24:3? If you agree that the end of the age will occur when Jesus returns then what do you make of this passage:

Matthew 13:47 “Once again, the kingdom of heaven is like a net that was let down into the lake and caught all kinds of fish. 48 When it was full, the fishermen pulled it up on the shore. Then they sat down and collected the good fish in baskets, but threw the bad away. 49 This is how it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come and separate the wicked from the righteous 50 and throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Just like is the case in Matthew 25:31-46, this passage indicates that everyone will be gathered to be judged at the same time. Premil can't possibly make passages like these line up with their view. When they try, they just embarrass themselves like what you're doing in this thread.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The dead in verse 18 are the lost.

Right. That's what I'm saying. Are they not the same as the dead referenced in Revelation 20:11-15? I believe they are. In contrast to that are those who will be rewarded at that time, which are God's people. Rewarded with what? Just read what directly follows Revelation 20:11-15. The new heavens and new earth. So, the timing of Revelation 11:15-18 is the same as the timing of Revelation 20:11 to 21:5.

 

[ewq1938]

This is incredibly farfetched.

That's because you exclude Revelation 20 from your exegesis of Matthew 25. Using both means we have two groups resurrected and judged at two different times.

 

[ewq1938]

So, the timing of Revelation 11:15-18 is the same as the timing of Revelation 20:11 to 21:5.

Wrong. Revelation 11 is the 7th trump while Revelation 20:11 is over a thousand years after the 7th trump. There is no reward there either. Only the unsaved are judged and punished in 20:11.

 

[Timtofly]

That is clearly not what I was doing. You have nothing to offer besides false accusations. Goodbye. It's not worth my time talking to someone who can do nothing but make false accusations.

Ironic coming from a poster whose majority of replies are: "LOL, that is just nonsense."

Sounds like a master at false accusations.

Or: "Premil have nothing. All they can do is misquote and falsely accuse us."

Sounds like a poster tired of having a decent conversation, and can only hurl back pointless complaints.

 

[Timtofly]

Right. That's what I'm saying. Are they not the same as the dead referenced in Revelation 20:11-15? I believe they are. In contrast to that are those who will be rewarded at that time, which are God's people. Rewarded with what? Just read what directly follows Revelation 20:11-15. The new heavens and new earth. So, the timing of Revelation 11:15-18 is the same as the timing of Revelation 20:11 to 21:5.

No, not those lost in sheol. Those lost humans walking around on earth at the Second Coming.

The two witnesses start their 1260 days the week of the 7th Trumpet. They torment the lost. They convince the lost to get their heads chopped off to avoid the mark. Satan is 100% in control of the whole earth, per Revelation 13. The same 42 months as the 2 witnesses. The temple and throne in Jerusalem, where Jesus just judged the sheep and the goats, has now been given over to the AoD of Daniel 9:27. Those lost people who will continue to die over the next 3.5 years. The lost who are killed at Armageddon 42 months later, then 3.5 days after the 2 witnesses are killed. The lost are killed and not resurrected in Revelation 20:4. They have to wait and stand before the GWT, 1,000 years after Satan's 42 months.

The dead of Adam's flesh are judged by living through Satan's 42 months or killed in the winepress of God's wrath. Revelation 14.

This is not a resurrection. Those already in sheol still stay in sheol. John is seeing those dead walking around on earth, because the church was taken away before the final harvest. Then the sheep and goats were taken away. Then in the 7 Thunders, the wheat and tares are collected and sent to their final destination. Yet there are still Adam's dead flesh walking around on earth. Jesus confirms the Atonement Covenant with those dead people. In God's foreknowledge, if any left will be beheaded in the next 42 months, then Satan is allowed control. If there are no gleanings after the final harvest, then at the 7th Trumpet all those left are dead, and go through the winepress. None of them would have chosen to be beheaded.

No 42 months, no Armageddon. No FP nor image and beast. Satan is immediately bound at the end of the week, when the 7th Trumpet stops sounding. The Millennium starts with the sheep and wheat gathered during the Trumpets and Thunders. There will be no resurrection, because no one was beheaded. The sheep and wheat were changed and given permanent incorruptible physical bodies to live on earth, have offspring, and reign over their offspring like Adam would have, if he and Eve had remained in the Garden and never disobeyed God. I think the Garden could have housed billions over the years. Certainly the restored earth for 1,000 years will contain more than we have now, because all we know is sin and transgression followed by death and decay. There will be way more sheep and wheat than the 8 souls in Noah's ark. The literal fulfillment of Daniel 9:24. Not some spiritual imaginative opinions of what some claim is the here and now. Daniel's 70 weeks cannot finish until the Prince to come sets up His throne in Jerusalem per Matthew 25:31.

After the 1,000 years Jesus as Prince hands back a kingdom as Adam should have, but could not. The reason Christ cannot hand back the here and now, is because it is still Adam's messed up sin cursed earth. God set it as 6 days in the setting of Hagar which is Mt. Sinai. Mt. Sinai is not redemption. It is still the curse of Adam's punishment, under a new economy. Nor did the Cross remove Adam's transgression per Daniel 9:24. It was the point of Messiah being cut off, so the rest of Adam's family, the Gentiles, could operate like Israel had for 1400 years. Israel had about as close of a relationship as has the church. Neither one did a decent job.

Considering how well the sons of God did disobeying God and mixing it up with Adam's dead corruptible flesh, not one of God's relationships with humans ended that spectacularly. God even let those humans under 1,000 years of God Himself in control without sin and death, be one last time allowed access to Satan and still probably billions will chose to turn their back on God. So even God does not force humans against their will to follow Him. Even when under God's direct leadership, where disobedience is dealt with, with removal from society, so sin does not fester and grow, there are still some who would rather follow Satan, to damnation, than stick with God and His perfect will.

 

[Davy]

During the 1000 year reign, where Jesus reigns with a rod of iron, will his rule be Old Testament decrees? Like death by stoning etc.?

Look at Ezekiel 44, a future Millennial chapter.

 

[Taken]

Christ’s 1000 year reign
OP^

During the 1000 year reign, where Jesus reigns with a rod of iron, will his rule be Old Testament decrees? Like death by stoning etc.?

Hi Mantis-
Interesting question.

Seems if there are rules to be obeyed, there are consequences for not obeying, and consequences for obeying.

* The millennial reign by all appearances seems to be a type of New Beginning.
Meaning; One God Ruling being, King of kings, Lord of lord, ON Earth.
Meaning; A Kingdom of God, Land boundary, Throne, ON Earth.
Meaning; Mortals/Tribesmen/Gentiles no longer divided, ON Earth.
Meaning; ** No presence of Evil spirits, ON Earth, to influence.
Meaning; Nations established, thus mortal kings, mortal lords.

* The Intent ...
Meaning; ONLY ONE God, reigning Supreme.
Meaning; kings all rule their Nations, according to ONLY ONE God.

* Perspective;
Jesus’ Stand out Teaching: Which seems to me shall be the “RULE” of His Kingdom, forward to the Nations “kings”, forward to the People Thereof:
1) Love the Lord thy God Above all other things.
2) Love thy neighbor as thyself.

So, HOW to KNOW, which “mortal” Nations shall “DO”, Will NOT “DO”,
1 & 2?

2) * Likely the Obvious, of Friendliness or Discontentment Between the Mortal Nations> AND HOW TO Resolve Discontentment.
^ That Meaning; the relationships between and among men)...Historically Established in the OT, CALLED PRECEPTS.
(Neh (9:14)
^ The HOW TO Resolve peaceably, Taught and Reiterated BY Jesus in the NT.
^ Unresolved Issues, Taken to the High Priest...King of kings; Lord of lords.

1) * A Type of YEARLY PILGRIMAGE ?
WHO? Every nation participation observed. (kings/lords particularly ?)
WHERE? Kings Kingdom, Place of Kings Throne; Jerusalem
WHY? Reveals Nations “kings/lords” ruling their Nations, according to: .........ONE Lord God, King of kings, Lord of lords.
WHAT? Gathering of LIKE minded Nations.

Foreshadow/Prophecy (For these days/times ?)
* Be with the Lord, He shall Be with you.
Zech 1:
[3] Therefore say thou unto them, Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Turn ye unto me, saith the LORD of hosts, and I will turn unto you, saith the LORD of hosts.

* Zech continues with things that already occurred...(while Satan was still ON EARTH)....kings coming Against Jerusalem....Results.

* We already KNOW, What was SHALL BE AGAIN.
* Men WITH God prosper. Men influenced by and WITH Satan, fail.
* During the millennial reign, Satan is not Present ON Earth.

Zech 14: Forshadowing/Prophecy Millennial Reign?
Zech 14:
[16] And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of the tabernacles.

* Will it BE, during the Millennial Reign, Nations will reveal their obedience to the King of kings, Lord of lords, by the Nations, kings, lords, participation in:
A YEARLY Feast of the Tabernacles?

* And what IF they do NOT participate and observe? What is their Consequence? Death? Stoning?

Zech 14:
[17] And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
[18] And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
[19] This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

...will his rule be Old Testament decrees? Like death by stoning etc.?

Appears a possible answer is:
* The Feast of Tabernacles WILL BE a Yearly Pilgrimage TO Jerusalem, Established for the “kings/lords” of the Nations to participate therein.
* And “kings/lords”, who fail to participate, shall experience the consequence of the PLAGUE OF NO RAIN in their respective Nation, seemingly for One Year, less they also do not Participate in the Feast of Tabernacles the Following year.

No rain for one year...Yikes, recipe for famine.
Glory to God,
Taken

 

[n2thelight]

During the 1000 year reign, where Jesus reigns with a rod of iron, will his rule be Old Testament decrees? Like death by stoning etc.?

Age of the flesh will be over,so no.During the millennium , those who were not in Christ at His return stand a chance to die the 2nd death , which is the death of the soul.

The millennium is a time of teaching those who didn't overcome .

Nobody will be born during this time ,nor forevermore ,we will be in our spiritual bodies.

Although changed at the return of Christ, some will still have a mortal soul .

 

[ewq1938]

Age of the flesh will be over,so no.During the millennium , those who were not in Christ at His return stand a chance to die the 2nd death , which is the death of the soul.

The millennium is a time of teaching those who didn't overcome .

Nobody will be born during this time ,nor forevermore ,we will be in our spiritual bodies.

Although changed at the return of Christ, some will still have a mortal soul .

No one who was changed will have a mortal soul. Only the unsaved, non-changed, will remain fully mortal.

 

[n2thelight]

No one who was changed will have a mortal soul. Only the unsaved, non-changed, will remain fully mortal.

Those with a mortal soul are called the dead.

Also ALL shall be changed .

Look at the example from the below

Revelation 9:6 "And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them."

When they finally wake up to the fact that they were deceived by Satan, the shame will be great and on them. These are those deceived Christians taken out of season who will pray for the mountains to fall on them. They will seek death, but it will not come. The death of this physical life will be over, and then all will be in the spirit, or soul body.

Paul tells us in I Corinthians 15:50-52 how at Christ's return, at the last trump; all will be changed, in the twinkling [wink] of an eye to a incorruptible body. No friend, you can not die, but must face the Savior in shame.

 

[Davy]

No one who was changed will have a mortal soul. Only the unsaved, non-changed, will remain fully mortal.

n2thelight is correct, ALL still alive on earth on the day of Christ's future return are 'changed' at that "last trump" of 1 Corinthians 15. The Isaiah 25 Scripture points to that future event happening for all nations and peoples and that is where Apostle Paul was pulling from about the idea of death swallowed up in victory.

This is the reality of what The Bible teaches on this matter, as written. It is in opposition to the idea of only those in Christ being changed simply because men's traditions have also crept into Christ's Church that oppose God's Word.

One of man's traditions which has crept in that opposes Bible scripture on this is the Jew's theory that "the dead" of Revelation 20:5 represent dead that are still in the graves, and only resurrected at the GWT Judgment after the thousand years, yet that idea is a tradition of men simply because Jesus showed in John 5:28-29 that on the day of His future coming 'all' in the graves come forth, either to the resurrection of life, or to the resurrection of damnation. In reality then, The Bible teaches that all the dead are raised on the day of Christ's future return.

And that points to the need to understand the idea of 'the dead' in that future world, which is where many brethren fail in understanding God's Word about it. Like n2thelight said, all peoples are 'changed' to the "spiritual body" on that day of Christ's return, but not all will put on immortality in Christ Jesus. Apostle Paul showed this plainly in 1 Corinthians 15:49-54, it's just that those verses are merely skimmed through, and not fully understood. Paul showed to have eternal life in Christ Jesus, one must go through TWO changes on that day, the corruptible body (flesh) must put on incorruption (spiritual body), AND this mortal (soul) must put on immortality. Those still liable to die at the "second death" of Revelation 20 will still have mortal souls, not having put on immortality in Christ. It's that simple. That's the idea Apostle Paul was teaching in those later 1 Corinthians 15:49-54 verses.

This means "the dead" in that time of the thousand years means those who are still 'spiritually dead', with liable to die mortal souls at the "second death". No more flesh death in that world to come.

 

[ewq1938]

Those with a mortal soul are called the dead.

Also ALL shall be changed .

And the context was the dead and living in Christ, not unbelievers.

1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
1Co 15:55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
1Co 15:56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
1Co 15:57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Look at the example from the below

Revelation 9:6 "And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them."

It doesn't say they are immortal, just that they will want to die but won't be allowed to. They will die eventually.

When they finally wake up to the fact that they were deceived by Satan, the shame will be great and on them. These are those deceived Christians taken out of season who will pray for the mountains to fall on them. They will seek death, but it will not come.

Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
Rev 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
Rev 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

You read the 6th seal but forgot what the 5th seal promises. The unsaved will die eventually.

 

[Davy]

And the context was the dead and living in Christ, not unbelievers.
....
1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
....

Right there Apostle Paul included ALL. And so does the Isaiah 25 chapter where he was pulling this from. If you read my post, didn't you bother to go read that Isaiah 25 scripture where Paul was pulling from?

Isa 25:5-9
5 Thou shalt bring down the noise of strangers, as the heat in a dry place; even the heat with the shadow of a cloud: the branch of the terrible ones shall be brought low.

6 And in this mountain shall the LORD of hosts make unto all people a feast of fat things, a feast of wines on the lees, of fat things full of marrow, of wines on the lees well refined.

7 And He will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations.

8 He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of His people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it.

9 And it shall be said in that day, "Lo, This is our God; we have waited for Him, and He will save us: This is the LORD; we have waited for Him, we will be glad and rejoice in His salvation."
KJV

It doesn't say they are immortal, just that they will want to die but won't be allowed to. They will die eventually.

All you are doing is trying to cast doubt against the Scripture just so you can keep your tradition of men.

It appears you don't really understand about the 'soul' condition per God's Word. Immortality is ONLY for those in Christ Jesus. The "spiritual body" is a heavenly type body for BOTH resurrection types, and that's all it is. It is a body for the soul to dwell in. There's TWO dimensions of existence per God's Word, not just this earthly one. And the Heavenly one is actually the more real, since God is a Spirit, and He created this material universe from Spirit of that Heavenly dimension (see Hebrews 11:3).

Don't you remember what Lord Jesus said about the blind Pharisees, comparing them to whited tombs that appear beautiful, clean and white on the outside, but inside are full of dead men's bones? (Matthew 23:27) That was to show their 'mortal' souls being in a spiritually dead condition even while their flesh was alive and walking upon the earth. It is the opposite idea of being "born again" by The Spirit. It is our 'soul' inside that is "born again", not our flesh body. This is why Lord Jesus showed us about the "resurrection of damnation" in John 5:28-29, that they are raised too on the day of His future return. Does that mean only the wicked dead will have the resurrection body, and not the wicked still alive on the last day? No, ALL... will have that body of the resurrection, which is what type of body per Apostle Paul? A "spiritual body". The only difference is that those still alive on that day ("last trump") have to be 'changed' to that spiritual body.

So stop and think in God's Word, quit listening to the hirelings that God didn't call. If none of the wicked are to have that "spiritual body" type, then WHY did Jesus show there will be a "resurrection of damnation" also? (see John 5:28-29; Acts 24:15). The simple idea of 'resurrection' means being raised to a "spiritual body", according to Apostle Paul. So why are you arguing against Paul on that?

 

[n2thelight]

And the context was the dead and living in Christ, not unbelievers.

1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
1Co 15:55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
1Co 15:56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
1Co 15:57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.






It doesn't say they are immortal, just that they will want to die but won't be allowed to. They will die eventually.





Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
Rev 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
Rev 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

You read the 6th seal but forgot what the 5th seal promises. The unsaved will die eventually.

Do you believe the example below is just a parable ?

Luke 16:26 "And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.' "

"Between us that over came, and you that did not overcome, there is a great gulf fixed." That gulf is so fixed that even though one side can see the other side, there is no way to pass between. We can't go your way and you can't come our way. Luke is making the entire clear that you set your course in this life of the flesh, and when your soul passes into the next life, there is no changing what you have done in this life. This gulf or chasm is from the Greek "Chasma"; It means "an impassable interval". The interval is of time and space. This is telling us that if you die hell bound and enter into that other dimension, there is no way that you can reenter back into this dimension again. What ever side of the gulf you are on when you die, that is the side you stay until judgment day.

Yes the dead will die eventually , if they don't overcome during the millennium ,that's the 2nd death .

Those who are in Christ at His return or died in Him have no worries about that

Revelation 20:6 "Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years."

This is the resurrection to eternal life not just being raised from the dead as many think.