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Big difference between a sin (which be repented of) and the Holy Spirit!
See how you confuse the two AND deny the marks God gave to his Children ISRAEL!

(I have included these marks in this very thread for you and anyone else to look at and leave it YOU to see who or which "race" they apply too!)
When it comes to race and the Holy Spirit, race does not cut it and it never did.
You have the Holy Spirit or you don't.
 

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As far as God is concerned there is only ONE RACE -- the human race. Since all mankind has descended from Adam, ethnicity means nothing. Therefore we have these words of Scripture:

ACTS 17
24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;
26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

What does this tell you? If you were in a hospital and needed a blood transfusion, it would not matter whether the donor was Caucasian, Black, Chinese, Japanese, Indian, or Mongolian. Only the blood type would be significant, and all *races* have all the blood types.

That is because after the flood, all *races* and nations came from the three sons of Noah -- Ham (Hamitic or African), Shem (Semitic or Middle Eastern), and Japheth (Japhetic or Indo-Aryan). But Noah's ancestry went all the way back to Adam, and therefore all are sinners, all die, and all need to be saved by grace.
God made all the different races and one should respect that, but the Holy Spirit is above all.
 

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God made all the different races and one should respect that, but the Holy Spirit is above all.
There is no question that God created ethnic diversity, which is also related to the environments in which various ethnic groups live. But when God says (through Paul) that He has made "of one blood all nations of men", you have to sit up and take notice.

It means that regardless of ethnic diversity, the HUMAN RACE is one race descended from Adam. That is why Christ died for the sins of the whole world. For Christians this also means that there are no racial divisions within the Church. And that is why the Church is called *the Body of Christ*.
 
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There is no question that God created ethnic diversity, which is also related to the environments in which various ethnic groups live. But when God says (through Paul) that He has made "of one blood all nations of men", you have to sit up and take notice.

It means that regardless of ethnic diversity, the HUMAN RACE is one race descended from Adam. That is why Christ died for the sins of the whole world. For Christians this also means that there are no racial divisions within the Church. And that is why the Church is called *the Body of Christ*.
Does not prove a thing.
The Israelites are scattered accross the earth without there identity as it has been lost (which is what scripture explains would happen)..

Your now saying that because an African man can be placed in a white nation, take a white wife, have mixed race children it is Gods plan? Why did God keep races separated by land and sea? Or why did God not just make all men and women a mocha-choca-latte colour or of identical skin color if this was his plan all along?
I don't see certain races in their homelands with institutions of fair government? Do you?
Look at China (adopted Communism) Africa...Lawless ...
Nations come and go... Your blood (your life) you carry with you everywhere, given to you by your past generations...it is your IDENTITY.
 
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When it comes to race and the Holy Spirit, race does not cut it and it never did.
You have the Holy Spirit or you don't.
I agree with your second premise. Your first premise overlooks who in the bible God "breathed" his spirit into. Not all of Gods creations have his spirit though do they.
 
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There is no question that God created ethnic diversity, which is also related to the environments in which various ethnic groups live. But when God says (through Paul) that He has made "of one blood all nations of men", you have to sit up and take notice.

It means that regardless of ethnic diversity, the HUMAN RACE is one race descended from Adam. That is why Christ died for the sins of the whole world. For Christians this also means that there are no racial divisions within the Church. And that is why the Church is called *the Body of Christ*.
I agree with that.

But you still have to respect the racial divide some what and cultures. such has cause much trouble in not respecting that point.

What has been peddled is crap like, 'White man did this and that', I remember from my school days that pathetic line sprouted over and over and this lie (Brainwashing) has been spreading ever since by simple minded fools, when the fact of the problems come from Sin - end of Story ! as any true Christian knows is the fact of the matter is just that.

Blacks did slavery and all the rest as well, if you know your history and all the other races did as well.
Negroes can not talk at all because they were into it as well even in the USA, let alone Africa was nothing to look up to for how they treated there own, not to mention even nowadays, it's still a total disgrace that no one can look up to, not even the blacks themselves are proud of the conditions that they have created. not to mention that they will get no where with the temptations of the Devils works, just as it is with all the stupid white people nowadays who have turned their backs on Jesus Christ, due to the temptations of Satan's works leading them astray and into a self righteous Political Correct insane Socialist deranged Marxist madness that will only destroy people body and Soul and only create a Enslaved people where all are worthless equal nothings where the lowest denominator rules and there is no hope and no Jesus Christ that raise people up out of such slavery.
These school and uni teachers have never worked in the real world or worked for themselves long enough to get a handle on reality's of the world, so they live in a deluded fantasy land, sprouting simple minded Marxist trash, as if such was a practical subject that has solid foundations, when it just doesn't and will never cut it in the real world ever, because it is the position of mad men degenerates, who don't have the brain power to understand that Jesus Christ is the only way for a Healthy Nations people with a fine future. Socialism will crash and burn !

The Satanist are and have been working hard for years to cause a divide among people in all nations and now they are working to try too add fuel to the fire with all the trash sponging off society within and importing the trouble as much as they can, it's a war tactic to undermine and destroy Nations, it's divide and conquer Marxist style. power to the degenerates ! and morons.
 

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I agree with your second premise. Your first premise overlooks who in the bible God "breathed" his spirit into. Not all of Gods creations have his spirit.
Who God Breathed his Spirit into ?
But fact is that not all of them did, now that's a fact, is it not.

It was never a race and only some who got it, the majority did not in fact. or you would of seen, like Holy Moses said, that they would know who Jesus was, just like Nathaniel did ! who was a True Israelite in fact, Jesus said that about Nathaniel you know and it's a point that many Christians nowadays run away from, understanding of the gravity of that fact and it hits you in the face, when one understands that. fact is that Jesus is not calling them all Israelites, they are only Israel when they know who Jesus is in fact, other than that they are lost and always will be lost regardless of race. remember Jesus said to his apostles to go to the Israelites and if they reject you, what is it that they were told to do, hey ? that's right to reject them because they truly are not worthy to be called Israel.

No one could hold up a candle to say nowadays that they are pure blood related to the Tribe of Israel 100% and if they could I would not mean a cracker. you have the Holy Spirit of you don't end of story.
 

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Who God Breathed his Spirit into ?
But fact is that not all of them did, now that's a fact, is it not.

It was never a race and only some who got it, the majority did not in fact. or you would of seen, like Holy Moses said, that they would know who Jesus was, just like Nathaniel did ! who was a True Israelite in fact, Jesus said that about Nathaniel you know and it's a point that many Christians nowadays run away from, understanding of the gravity of that fact and it hits you in the face, when one understands that. fact is that Jesus is not calling them all Israelites, they are only Israel when they know who Jesus is in fact, other than that they are lost and always will be lost regardless of race. remember Jesus said to his apostles to go to the Israelites and if they reject you, what is it that they were told to do, hey ? that's right to reject them because they truly are not worthy to be called Israel.

No one could hold up a candle to say nowadays that they are pure blood related to the Tribe of Israel 100% and if they could I would not mean a cracker. you have the Holy Spirit of you don't end of story.

Adam.

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There is said to be currently over 2 billion inhabitants living on earth.
 

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Nope.
Ruth was called a Moabite by nation yes. She was also an Israelite (so to speak) by blood because she knew the ordinances that belong to: ISRAELITES (so to speak). This identifying detail you seem to casually brush over.

I have already explained to you that nations are not regarded as racial pedigree or reasons for taking a wife as already stated.
I cannot be any clearer on this specific point.

To repeat..

There were, until recent times very few Africans (by racial identification as black skinned humans) in Ireland until the invention of air travel or a little earlier by sea, the point being the bible uses national boundaries same as we do today and shows migration through nations. To say an African by racial pedigree is Irish is on account of him either living there, being born there OR has a STATE passport to SAY he is Irish.
He will still have the identifying markers of being African but be known as Irish. If some woman takes a husband from Ireland would you take that to mean a black skinned human? If not why not?
You can either acknowledge this point or either push on with the Moabitess (racial pedigree) claim regardless.

You say no, but Scripture says yes. Yes, your point is clear. It is just clearly wrong. You take away the letters of Paul out of the Bible, thus there is no end to the Scripture you will not believe. So, now you disbelieve the Bible concerning Ruth.

To repeat, you are mistaken. But, not only mistaken, but you are tampering with the Bible, adding and taking away.

I will push on with the Bible.

Stranger
 

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You say no, but Scripture says yes. Yes, your point is clear. It is just clearly wrong. You take away the letters of Paul out of the Bible, thus there is no end to the Scripture you will not believe. So, now you disbelieve the Bible concerning Ruth.

To repeat, you are mistaken. But, not only mistaken, but you are tampering with the Bible, adding and taking away.

I will push on with the Bible.

Stranger

As you will.
It is a fascinating coillection of books.
 

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It is the Word of God.

Stranger

Not all of the bible is inspired by the Holy Spirit.
If your saying it is then you clearly reject the warnings given by the prophets AND the Apostles (even the false apostle had access to the scriptures before writing his own epistle)...not that any discerning bible reader wants to commit to finding out who!

If you read your bible will see there are clear warnings, given to the reader with instructions on how to read it.
You accuse me of tampering with the bible in place of where discernment is needed (again under discernment to understand and question where you need to).
Christians have a duty to question everything and it is not a sin to ask using prayer, asking God to reveal the truth to you is clearly a big part of the biblical journey, some dont like others who have an opposing view they do not like and are quick to make this known (especially if it involves questions they cannot answer or questions that threaten their status quo).
I haven't changed anything nor is "tampering" with any bible because I have not " rewrote" any of the books. I have to discern the message myself because I simply do not trust those put in charge by the Government to read it to me. The Government is not a moral guide (Paul disagrees though).

I do however READ it often and I have been given the instructions to read it carefully and also instructed by the very writers who would have me use my God given Spirit and prayer to discern the truth because they warn me to do so, God speaks of "adding and taking" to effectively show the possibility of both exists that writers (scribes) would do just that. In the begining there was the word and the word was God.

What came after? How many different bibles can you name? All different... Which one has and which one has not been "tampered" with? Do tell us.

Are you a KJV man? A Good News paraphrase man? A Geneva/old English man? Do you speak Aramaic, Greek AND Hebrew? Have 3 Lexicons and 60 bible Apps on call....?

I raised a perfectly good question that you interpret as tampering, happens often, your not the first to accuse me of all sorts. Par of the course (Apostle John tells me to expect it...).

How did Ruth the Moabitess know the laws of inheritence contained in the ordinances?
Moabites did not recieve the Law, that would make Moses unevenly yoked with an enemy tribe or worse, the warnings of which came with the Law.
Do I need a government endorsed permit or license to ask? The bible says not.
 
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Was Ruth a Moabite?


Ruth could not be a Moabite because she was the great grandmother of King David. King David was the third generation from Ruth and Boaz.

Moabites were not allowed in the temple. If you married a Moab, your descendants would not be allowed in the Temple for ten generations! Read below:

Deu 23:3 An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to their tenth generation shall they not enter into the congregation of the LORD for ever:

King David was the 3rd Generation from Ruth and Boaz. If Ruth had been a Moabite, she would not have BEEN allowed in the temple and her descendants could not go in the temple until the tenth Generation. David was the third generation from Ruth and Boaz. His father was Jesse, his grandfather was Obed and his great grandfather was Boaz. If Ruth was a Moabite, KING DAVID WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED IN THE TEMPLE.

1Ch_2:11 And Nahshon begat Salma, and Salma begat Boaz,
1Ch_2:12 And Boaz begat Obed, and Obed begat Jesse,

David went into the temple. We see him in I Sam 21 going to get the temple Shewbread. Also his descendants until the ten generation would not be allowd in the temple also. We know that Solomon was in the temple. HE DEDICATED THE TEMPLE!

The Bible records historical proof that the Amorites and Moabites were pushed out of the land of Moab. So the people who lived in Moab were THE ISRAELITES. This means Ruth was from an Israelite tribe. Below is the proof:

Ruth 1:2 reads,

“In the days when the Judges ruled in Israel, a severe famine came upon the land. So a man from Bethlehem in Judah left his home and went to live in the country of Moab, taking his wife and two sons with him.

God promised Judah “The scepter shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh comes…” (Genesis 49:10).

God instructed the Israelites that they could not set a foreigner (non Israelite) King to rule over them. All Kings had to be Israelites from the line of Judah.

Deu 17:15 Thou shalt in any wise set himking over thee, whom the LORD thy God shall choose: one from among thy brethren shalt thou set king over thee: thou mayest not set a stranger over thee, which is not thy brother.

The Messiah was born as King of the Jews and King of Kings. He could NOT be a foreigner.

Ruth was an Israelite living in the land of Moab. She was not of the Moabite lineage. We know that Joshua took control of the plains of Moab and the local residents were removed. This territory north of the Arnon River, and east of the Jordan River, was occupied by the tribes of Israel known as Reuben, Gad, and Manasseh. The three tribes to the east were said to live in the “land of Moab”.

“So the Lord our God also delivered into our hands Og king of Bashan, with all his people, and we attacked him until he has no survivors remaining.”

“And at that time we took the land from the hand of the two kings of the Amorites who were on this side of the Jordan, from the River Arnon to Mount Hermon…” (Deuteronomy 3:3,8).

In another place the Bible records that no racial Moabites were left alive in the land (Deuteronomy 2:34). However, the race of the Moabites were not wiped out they were located in other lands. They would continue to pop up in history.

Deu 2:34 And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain:

The land was now inhabited by the tribes of Reuben, Gad and Manasseh (Deuteronomy 29:8).

NO MOABITES REMAINED IN THE LAND OF MOAB.

Deu 29:1 These are the words of the covenant, which the LORD commandedMoses to make with the children of Israel in the land of Moab, beside the covenant which he made with them in Horeb.

Deu 29:8 And we took their land, and gave it for an inheritance unto the Reubenites, and to the Gadites, and to the half tribe of Manasseh.

Joshua 13:32 :

“These are the areas which Moses had distributed as an inheritance in the PLAINS OF MOAB on the other side of the Jordan, by Jericho eastward.”

Numbers 21:26-31, we read:

‘For Heshbon was the city of Sihon, King of the Amorites, who had fought against the former King of Moab, and taken all his land out of his hand, even unto Arnon … Woe unto thee, Moab! Thou art undone, 0 people of Chemosh: he hath given his sons that escaped, and his daughters, into captivity unto Sihon, King of the Amorites … Thus Israel dwelt in the land of the Amorites’

Deuteronomy 2:32-34:

‘Then Sihon came out against us, he and all his people, to fight at Jahaz. And the Lord our God delivered him before us; we smote him and his sons and all his people. And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men and the women and the little ones of every city, we left NONE to remain’.

Apparently there were still Moabites in other regions because they continue to pop up in the Old Testament history.

Deuteronomy 3:12-16, Moses tells us:

‘And this land which we possessed at that time, from Aroer which is by the River Arnon, and half Mount Gilead, and the cities thereof, gave I unto the Reubenites and to the Gadites. And the rest of Gilead, and all Bashan, being the kingdom of Og, gave I unto the half Tribe of Manasseh …. And unto the Reubenites and unto the Gadites I gave from Gilead even unto the River Arnon half the valley, and the border even unto the River Jabbok, which is the border of the Children of Ammon’.

Ruth 1:2 reads,

In the days when the judges ruled in Israel, a severe famine came upon the land. So a man from Bethlehem in Judah left his home and went to live in the country of Moab, taking his wife and two sons with him.

Here is the explanation:

Ruth never had a son from her husband Naomi’s son. There were no other sons left alive for Ruth to marry and carry on the family line of Naomi.

Deuteronomy 25:5,6:

“If brothers dwell together, and one of them dies and has no son, the widow of the dead man shall not be married to a stranger outside the family; her husband’s brother shall go in to her, take her as his wife, and perform the duty of a husbands brother to her, and it shall be that the firstborn son which she bears will succeed to the name of his dead brother, that his name may not be blotted out of Israel.”

Ruth 4:13-17: “So Boaz took Ruth and she became his wife; and when he went in to her, the Lord gave her conception, and she bore a son.”

“Then the women said to Naomi, ‘Blessed be the Lord, who has not left you this day without a NEAR KINSMAN ; and may his name be famous in Israel! And may he be to you a RESTORER OF LIFE…’. “Also the neighbor women gave him a name, saying, ‘There is a son BORN TO Naomi.’

Ruth 4:11,12:

“And all the people who were at the gate, and the elders, said, ‘We are witnesses. The Lord make the woman who is coming to your house like Rachel and Leah, the two WHO BUILT the house of Israel; and may you prosper in Ephrathah and be famous in Bethlehem.

May your house be like the house of Perez, whom TAMAR bore to Judah, because of the offspring which the Lord will give to you from this young woman.’”

The people understood that Ruth’s blood line came from Tamar is the mother of both Zarah and Pharez – the royal blood line of Judah. They understood that it was this bloodline that was father the Kings of Israel. They also understood that the Messiah would come through that lineage. Notice the reference to Bethelem.

The Messiah was a descendant of Pharez from the line of Judah. He was not a Moabite.
 

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Not all of the bible is inspired by the Holy Spirit.
If your saying it is then you clearly reject the warnings given by the prophets AND the Apostles (even the false apostle had access to the scriptures before writing his own epistle)...not that any discerning bible reader wants to commit to finding out who!

If you read your bible will see there are clear warnings, given to the reader with instructions on how to read it.
You accuse me of tampering with the bible in place of where discernment is needed (again under discernment to understand and question where you need to).
Christians have a duty to question everything and it is not a sin to ask using prayer, asking God to reveal the truth to you is clearly a big part of the biblical journey, some dont like others who have an opposing view they do not like and are quick to make this known (especially if it involves questions they cannot answer or questions that threaten their status quo).
I haven't changed anything nor is "tampering" with any bible because I have not " rewrote" any of the books. I have to discern the message myself because I simply do not trust those put in charge by the Government to read it to me. The Government is not a moral guide (Paul disagrees though).

I do however READ it often and I have been given the instructions to read it carefully and also instructed by the very writers who would have me use my God given Spirit and prayer to discern the truth because they warn me to do so, God speaks of "adding and taking" to effectively show the possibility of both exists that writers (scribes) would do just that. In the begining there was the word and the word was God.

What came after? How many different bibles can you name? All different... Which one has and which one has not been "tampered" with? Do tell us.

Are you a KJV man? A Good News paraphrase man? A Geneva/old English man? Do you speak Aramaic, Greek AND Hebrew? Have 3 Lexicons and 60 bible Apps on call....?

I raised a perfectly good question that you interpret as tampering, happens often, your not the first to accuse me of all sorts. Par of the course (Apostle John tells me to expect it...).

How did Ruth the Moabitess know the laws of inheritence contained in the ordinances?
Moabites did not recieve the Law, that would make Moses unevenly yoked with an enemy tribe or worse, the warnings of which came with the Law.
Do I need a government endorsed permit or license to ask? The bible says not.

Christians do not question whether or not the Bible is the Word of God, inspired by God. We believe and know that it is the Word of God.

You reject the writings of Paul as part of the Bible. Who knows what else you reject? You are not asking questions seeking for answers. You are wanting to create doubt in Christians minds as to whether or not the Bible is the Word of God. Thus you are tampering with the Bible.

You say not all of the Bible is inspired by God. Which part are you saying is inspired by God?

Yes, I believe the KJV is the best.

Ruth did not need to know any laws of ineritiance.

Stranger
 

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Someone else has asked the same question:



Was Ruth a Moabite?


Ruth could not be a Moabite because she was the great grandmother of King David. King David was the third generation from Ruth and Boaz.

Moabites were not allowed in the temple. If you married a Moab, your descendants would not be allowed in the Temple for ten generations! Read below:

Deu 23:3 An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to their tenth generation shall they not enter into the congregation of the LORD for ever:

King David was the 3rd Generation from Ruth and Boaz. If Ruth had been a Moabite, she would not have BEEN allowed in the temple and her descendants could not go in the temple until the tenth Generation. David was the third generation from Ruth and Boaz. His father was Jesse, his grandfather was Obed and his great grandfather was Boaz. If Ruth was a Moabite, KING DAVID WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED IN THE TEMPLE.

1Ch_2:11 And Nahshon begat Salma, and Salma begat Boaz,
1Ch_2:12 And Boaz begat Obed, and Obed begat Jesse,

David went into the temple. We see him in I Sam 21 going to get the temple Shewbread. Also his descendants until the ten generation would not be allowd in the temple also. We know that Solomon was in the temple. HE DEDICATED THE TEMPLE!

The Bible records historical proof that the Amorites and Moabites were pushed out of the land of Moab. So the people who lived in Moab were THE ISRAELITES. This means Ruth was from an Israelite tribe. Below is the proof:

Ruth 1:2 reads,

“In the days when the Judges ruled in Israel, a severe famine came upon the land. So a man from Bethlehem in Judah left his home and went to live in the country of Moab, taking his wife and two sons with him.

God promised Judah “The scepter shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh comes…” (Genesis 49:10).

God instructed the Israelites that they could not set a foreigner (non Israelite) King to rule over them. All Kings had to be Israelites from the line of Judah.

Deu 17:15 Thou shalt in any wise set himking over thee, whom the LORD thy God shall choose: one from among thy brethren shalt thou set king over thee: thou mayest not set a stranger over thee, which is not thy brother.

The Messiah was born as King of the Jews and King of Kings. He could NOT be a foreigner.

Ruth was an Israelite living in the land of Moab. She was not of the Moabite lineage. We know that Joshua took control of the plains of Moab and the local residents were removed. This territory north of the Arnon River, and east of the Jordan River, was occupied by the tribes of Israel known as Reuben, Gad, and Manasseh. The three tribes to the east were said to live in the “land of Moab”.

“So the Lord our God also delivered into our hands Og king of Bashan, with all his people, and we attacked him until he has no survivors remaining.”

“And at that time we took the land from the hand of the two kings of the Amorites who were on this side of the Jordan, from the River Arnon to Mount Hermon…” (Deuteronomy 3:3,8).

In another place the Bible records that no racial Moabites were left alive in the land (Deuteronomy 2:34). However, the race of the Moabites were not wiped out they were located in other lands. They would continue to pop up in history.

Deu 2:34 And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain:

The land was now inhabited by the tribes of Reuben, Gad and Manasseh (Deuteronomy 29:8).

NO MOABITES REMAINED IN THE LAND OF MOAB.

Deu 29:1 These are the words of the covenant, which the LORD commandedMoses to make with the children of Israel in the land of Moab, beside the covenant which he made with them in Horeb.

Deu 29:8 And we took their land, and gave it for an inheritance unto the Reubenites, and to the Gadites, and to the half tribe of Manasseh.

Joshua 13:32 :

“These are the areas which Moses had distributed as an inheritance in the PLAINS OF MOAB on the other side of the Jordan, by Jericho eastward.”

Numbers 21:26-31, we read:

‘For Heshbon was the city of Sihon, King of the Amorites, who had fought against the former King of Moab, and taken all his land out of his hand, even unto Arnon … Woe unto thee, Moab! Thou art undone, 0 people of Chemosh: he hath given his sons that escaped, and his daughters, into captivity unto Sihon, King of the Amorites … Thus Israel dwelt in the land of the Amorites’

Deuteronomy 2:32-34:

‘Then Sihon came out against us, he and all his people, to fight at Jahaz. And the Lord our God delivered him before us; we smote him and his sons and all his people. And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men and the women and the little ones of every city, we left NONE to remain’.

Apparently there were still Moabites in other regions because they continue to pop up in the Old Testament history.

Deuteronomy 3:12-16, Moses tells us:

‘And this land which we possessed at that time, from Aroer which is by the River Arnon, and half Mount Gilead, and the cities thereof, gave I unto the Reubenites and to the Gadites. And the rest of Gilead, and all Bashan, being the kingdom of Og, gave I unto the half Tribe of Manasseh …. And unto the Reubenites and unto the Gadites I gave from Gilead even unto the River Arnon half the valley, and the border even unto the River Jabbok, which is the border of the Children of Ammon’.

Ruth 1:2 reads,

In the days when the judges ruled in Israel, a severe famine came upon the land. So a man from Bethlehem in Judah left his home and went to live in the country of Moab, taking his wife and two sons with him.

Here is the explanation:

Ruth never had a son from her husband Naomi’s son. There were no other sons left alive for Ruth to marry and carry on the family line of Naomi.

Deuteronomy 25:5,6:

“If brothers dwell together, and one of them dies and has no son, the widow of the dead man shall not be married to a stranger outside the family; her husband’s brother shall go in to her, take her as his wife, and perform the duty of a husbands brother to her, and it shall be that the firstborn son which she bears will succeed to the name of his dead brother, that his name may not be blotted out of Israel.”

Ruth 4:13-17: “So Boaz took Ruth and she became his wife; and when he went in to her, the Lord gave her conception, and she bore a son.”

“Then the women said to Naomi, ‘Blessed be the Lord, who has not left you this day without a NEAR KINSMAN ; and may his name be famous in Israel! And may he be to you a RESTORER OF LIFE…’. “Also the neighbor women gave him a name, saying, ‘There is a son BORN TO Naomi.’

Ruth 4:11,12:

“And all the people who were at the gate, and the elders, said, ‘We are witnesses. The Lord make the woman who is coming to your house like Rachel and Leah, the two WHO BUILT the house of Israel; and may you prosper in Ephrathah and be famous in Bethlehem.

May your house be like the house of Perez, whom TAMAR bore to Judah, because of the offspring which the Lord will give to you from this young woman.’”

The people understood that Ruth’s blood line came from Tamar is the mother of both Zarah and Pharez – the royal blood line of Judah. They understood that it was this bloodline that was father the Kings of Israel. They also understood that the Messiah would come through that lineage. Notice the reference to Bethelem.

The Messiah was a descendant of Pharez from the line of Judah. He was not a Moabite.

(Ruth 1:4) "And they took them wives of the women of Moab; the name of the one was Orpah, and the name of the other Ruth:..."

(Matt. 1:1) "The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David....."

(Matt. 1:5-6) "And Salmon begat Booz of Rachab; and Booz begat Obed of Ruth; and Obed begat Jesse; And Jesse begat David the king;..."

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Christians do not question whether or not the Bible is the Word of God, inspired by God. We believe and know that it is the Word of God.

You reject the writings of Paul as part of the Bible. Who knows what else you reject? You are not asking questions seeking for answers. You are wanting to create doubt in Christians minds as to whether or not the Bible is the Word of God. Thus you are tampering with the Bible.

You say not all of the Bible is inspired by God. Which part are you saying is inspired by God?

Yes, I believe the KJV is the best.

Ruth did not need to know any laws of ineritiance.

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I doubt Paul because he lied. The bible instructs you NOT to trust a liar. I am honest to point that out. Next you will be interpreting or denying the warnings on liars by saying I reject the bible, where try to throw the baby oit with the bathwater. I beg to differ.
Also Ruth must of known she could not inherit what was promised to ISRAEL if she took a husband that was unlawful (which requires knowledge of the ordinance on inheritence by blood relatives) so explain why you believe I am in error.
My original point still stands up to your scrutiny. By Nation (geography) is not the same as by blood (racial), God had the Moabites killed in Moab prior to the keeping of the geographical area known as Moab. I have explained this very clearly.
 
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No, Paul did not lie. The letters he wrote were under the inspiration of God. You didn't answer my question. What writings are inspired?

Ruth didn't need to know the laws of inheritance. Boaz did and Naomi did.

Care about what?

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We believe and know that it is the Word of God.
I dont and I know it is not, these forums are a testament to that. that doesnt stop me from being a Christian... it is not a requirement for salvation, it is mens ideas of who a christian is and what the believe, the norm and Christs followers never stood for teh norm...