Christian Identity movement.

[Danube]

Here is a quote from a Christian Identist:


Christian Identity is suppressed by the jew because it is feared. It reprisents truths that hit home hard when a jew comes accross them.
Christian Identity unveils and exposes the charades of the jews.
Jews dont seem to mind asatru, odinism or any Germanic paganism. These are no threat to the jew. 1600 years ago the jew lived happily alongside the pagan.The jew even lived peaceably with the Arian Christian Goths, Lombards & Vandals. The jew cannot tolerate traditional Christianity and traditional Christianity cannot tolerate the jew. Christian Identity is the only true counter to the jewish lies and propaganda that pollute the world today.
William Fink

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

I am only interested in the truth of the content of CI and thanks to heavily influenced jewish paranoia I have to try to find out about this Christian concept here and a only a few other places because strangely it makes "jews" come out from behind their curtain and set up quick-stall victim hood epistles, which has to include the staples of their diet (hitler this..anti semetism that..) I am not interested in that because its a tired set menu of conversation derailment. So I will only ever go as far as showing my frustration for people avoiding the glaring facts contained within the topic or substance and material. Especially when someone makes you out to be a liar but when asked and you to prove something to them and show the truth someone else turns up for their little stab at it.
Why all the negativity. Truth is Truth!

'Let go of your complaints, forgive those who loved you poorly, step over your feelings of being rejected, and have the courage to trust that you won't fall into an abyss of nothingness but into the safe embrace of a God whose love will heal all your wounds.”

2000 years ago many Jews left and went out and spread all over the world, mainly from 2000 years ago, they went to what's now called Germany, so the most populated country on earth with Jewish blood was Germany, but they simulated into the majority of Germans over that time and became Christians.
The majority of Nazi Germanys top ranking military was full of Jews in fact and Hitler was a Jew as well, if you ever bother to look into it all you will find that out to be true. the thing is that the Nazis are a Socialist party and they are united with the Jewish Zionist, not to mention that the Zionist not only controlled the Nazi Party but they created it. not to mention that the same Zionist Jews also created Communism and controlled it, 80% of Communist Russia political leaders were Jews in fact.
No Nazi was a true Christian, just as no Communist was ever a Christian and that's a fact.
You can not even be a Socialist and be a true Christian, it just does not add up, you can not mix the two because they are a works of man and that does not cut it with God and the Zionist Jews are not true Jews at all, they are a Talmud Whore, as I said before Socialism does not cut the mustard with God, it never will and never ever did.
The Talmud Jew is just like the Golden Calf mob who wanted to kill Holy Moses, they are from there Father of Lies and murders from the beginning, Jesus said so ! it is this mob who worked to destroyed Israel and Judah 2000 years ago and they are back in vengeance peddling lie after lie leading all astray, turning people into mushrooms and feeding you ? and keeping you in the dark, they are fantastic at mastering over people, hell they even destroyed the Tribe of Israel, so what hope do people have nowadays if they do not understand who Jesus truly is, so Atheist and 3rd rate Christians will be just like lambs to the slaughter, they don't have a hope in hell of dealing with what they are up against, the tribe of Israel were a lot more wise than most Christian people are today by far.

One must come to Jesus Christ or you are lost, outside of that no denomination or identity group will be anyone's salvation.

 

[Danube]

Thing is... I'm not a NAZI
I have Jesus.
Thank you Lord.

Both sides of every war is funded by jews who obtain their income by stealing from the productive nations (see parable of the Wheat and Tares).
Most miss the fact that the land will not yield for the descendants of Cain (Gods curse for fratricide).
Israel (the landmass) is the richest nation with the least amount of farmers or labourers...that little clue misses so many bible students as does the fact Israel is now the worlds capital for sexual slavery and forced prostitution and child kidnap. So that house is definately NOT in order.
Add to that the marks of the true ISRAEL you can see who the Wheat are and who the tares are.

The English and Germans are kindred people which is why the jew loves to get brother killing brother or cousin. More White Christians died in the wars than jews.
You seem to know your history....
How many Christians died in Russia at the hands of jews (communist bolsheviks)???

Jews HATE racially aware Israelites, they are par excellence enemy number 1 to the jew.


Fratricide is polar opposite to "love thy neighbor" and the animosity is still felt.

All jews had rejected Christ at his trial.
That curse is on their children (blood curse) not even Pauls "grace" will save them.

 

[brakelite]

I am not looking for an argument nor do I follow this teaching, however I am very curious to seek others opinions on this very mysterious and yet facinating new branch of Christianity.
Does anyone agree with their reasoning on the "unpardonable sin" being linked to racial segragation? (please bare in mind I am only asking for opinions so not out to offend anyone who finds this offensive)

Why is it that I get the impression you are "more into this" than you indicate with this first post?

 

[mjrhealth]

That curse is on their children (blood curse) not even Pauls "grace" will save them.

It isnt Pauls grace that will save them its Gods promise, and it isnt Pauls grace it is Christs grace so reject it if you must.

 

[Danube]

Because I am studying it.

I have gained alot of insight that my worldy church failed to provide so where I come by facts about race is proving to hold a lot of truth. I do not know enough yet so I may carry on a while longer....is that ok with you?
Jesus is my Lord and saviour.
I believe there is more to "racial" discussions than we are being allowed to know (or more importantly discuss and diseminate).
If it conradicts what the bible says on the subject of racial purity then I can and will throw it out! Hows that for you! Simple.
That is why Pauls Roman governments are all about "race" law and race- discussion censorship with a fetish for promotion of race-mixing. Which is being pushed like mad!!! But NEVER allowed to be discussed at length....wow! I do not fear satan. Do you? I have the armour of God & his truth to be abel to walk where ever his Holy Spirit leads me!

You can call me a racist if you want...if you cannot debate the subject material I guess you are left to ad-hominem the thread starter...isn't that how censorship works?

I was just wondering if race is just a social construct then why was White Europe the centre of Jesus' message and GOOD NEWS!
Have you not read the migration of the Tender twig in Jeremiah?

 

[Danube]

How does Pauls "grace" account for the biblical curses? Can you explain that to me please.
Does Paul have the authority to change what God has set in motion?

You need to check.

 

[mjrhealth]

How does Pauls "grace" account for the biblical curses? Can you explain that to me please.
Does Paul have the authority to change what God has set in motion?

You need to check.

No Paul was sen to preach it to the gentiles, it isnt Pauls grace it is Christs grace, as I said reject it if you must, you say you are saved by Christ but here yo sit rejecting His grace now how can that be?? So angry for a christian....

 

[mjrhealth]

@Danube

Question: "How many books of the Bible did Paul write?"

Answer: The man known to us as the apostle Paul began life as Saul of Tarsus (Acts 9:11). The account of his radical conversion to Christ is found in several places in the New Testament: Acts 9:1–19; 22:3–13; 26:12–18; and 1 Corinthians 15:9. From the moment he was saved, he began preaching about Jesus (Acts 9:20–21). Over the next several years, Paul traveled extensively, planting churches wherever he went. When not with those churches, he still carried the responsibility for them in his heart, like a father for his children (1 Corinthians 4:14; 1 Thessalonians 2:11). Much of the New Testament is made up of his letters to some of those churches. We know for certain that Paul wrote at least thirteen letters that are included in the New Testament. Scholars have debated whether or not Hebrews was written by Paul; if Paul wrote Hebrews, that would make his total contribution to the Bible fourteen books.

The following is a breakdown of the letters Paul wrote and the possible timeframes in which he wrote them:

Galatians (AD 47)
1 and 2 Thessalonians (AD 49—51)
1 and 2 Corinthians and Romans (AD 52—56)
Ephesians, Philemon, Colossians, and Philippians (AD 60—62, during Paul’s first Roman imprisonment)
1 Timothy and Titus (AD 62)
2 Timothy (AD 63—64, during Paul’s second Roman imprisonment)

Although Paul penned or dictated these letters, he makes it clear that he is speaking under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. The other apostles, as well as the early church, accepted these letters as words from God (2 Peter 1:20–21; 3:15–16). Jesus Himself told Paul that he was sending him as a witness of all God would teach him (Acts 26:16–18). Therefore, we can rest assured that Paul’s words to the churches are inspired by the Holy Spirit and relevant for us today.

throw out Paul you may as well throw teh whole bible away.

 

[Danube]

It isnt Pauls grace that will save them its Gods promise, and it isnt Pauls grace it is Christs grace so reject it if you must.

No Paul was sen to preach it to the gentiles, it isnt Pauls grace it is Christs grace, as I said reject it if you must, you say you are saved by Christ but here yo sit rejecting His grace now how can that be?? So angry for a christian....

I wonder who wrote Acts 26....hmmmmm

Angry Christian? How I would kindle the fires for the harvest right now if I could find a single gatherer!!

Eccl 3:1-8
To every thing there is a season,
and a time to every purpose under the heaven:
A time to be born, a time to die;
a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;
A time to kill, and a time to heal;
a time to break down, and a time to build up;
A time to weep, and a time to laugh;
a time to mourn, and a time to dance;
A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together;
a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;
A time to get, and a time to lose;
a time to keep, and a time to cast away;
A time to rend, and a time to sew;
a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;
A time to love, and a time to hate;
A time of war, and a time of peace.

 

[mjrhealth]

I wonder who wrote Acts 26....hmmmmm

Angry Christian? How I would kindle the fires for the harvest right now if I could find a single gatherer!!

;
A time of war, and a time of peace.

Plenty around you just looking in all the wrong places, and I hope you are not kindling fires they tend to burn.

 

[Danube]

Plenty around you just looking in all the wrong places, and I hope you are not kindling fires they tend to burn.

I have Jesus, and everyone thinks I am incomplete for not having Paul...hahahaha
So...
Christian Identity...
What is it's major error in scripture

 

[Stranger]

How does Pauls "grace" account for the biblical curses? Can you explain that to me please.
Does Paul have the authority to change what God has set in motion?

You need to check.

I am curious as to what Biblical curses you are speaking of?

And, are you indicating that Paul has changed something that God set in motion?

Stranger

 

[Stranger]

I have Jesus, and everyone thinks I am incomplete for not having Paul...hahahaha
So...
Christian Identity...
What is it's major error in scripture

There hasn't been given any clear doctrine of the Christian Identity movement. All I saw in post #(2) was several different beliefs described. List their beliefs and then if there is major error there, it can be discussed.

Stranger

 

[Danube]

Matthew 27:24-25

Is the specific curse I refer, being a blood curse, on the children of those who accepted responsibility for the choice to set Barnabas free and to crucify Jesus.

Paulanists refer to grace, so I ask how that comes into play on those who accepted the blood curse but might now be seeking Pauls "grace". ?

Does grace trump curses?
We all know "The truth will set you free"
So I ask what are the limitations of or extent of his authority over this specific curse.

ie its silly to suggest Paul can lift the curse of say pain of child birth that was given to Eve.

 

[Danube]

The MAJOR premise here is already in the title.
Christian "IDENTITY"

Who are ISRAEL (sons of Isaac)?
It is the study of primarily, wherw have they settled, clues found regarding the Tender twig in Jeremiah raised the question in the 30s or 40s "which peoples show ALL the marks of ISRAEL" ?
It has many different names critics attach to it like british-israelism etc..or "hate group" " " existentialist christian fundamentalism" etc etc ad nauseum...
But the question remains..
Where are they now (the lost sheep), where did they settle, what route did they take, did they leave any clues during the migration?

All the Hitler rubbish attached to it is in my opinion an attempt to obfuscate peoples findings and genuine study because it is a facinating subject that will have to be faced if you believe endtime scriptures.
It involuntarily attacks the hegemony of common belief that Israel (the place) are the inheritors! Hence its a massive bane to the jew (but only the jew!).

 

[Stranger]

Matthew 27:24-25

Is the specific curse I refer, being a blood curse, on the children of those who accepted responsibility for the choice to set Barnabas free and to crucify Jesus.

Paulanists refer to grace, so I ask how that comes into play on those who accepted the blood curse but seek might now seek Pauls "grace". ?

Does grace trump curses?
We all know "The truth will set you free"
So I ask what are the limitations of or extent of his authority over this specific curse.

ie its silly to suggest Paul can lift the curse of say pain of child birth that was given to Eve.

Concerning (Matt. 27:24-25) this curse was pronounced by the Jews themselves, not God. Without a doubt, the Jews are guilty and Christ's blood is seen as their responsibility and as a result they have ever since been under the judgement from God.

Due to their rejection of Jesus Christ, they have been blinded as a nation of people against Christ. But some have believed the truth, have come to Christ, and are born-again just as Gentiles are born-again.

Paul can no more remove the blindness given to Israel as a nation then he could remove the curse and lack of blessing against Ham as a people. They still exist. But individuals can come out from these curses, come to Christ as Lord and Saviour, be born-again, and are thus part of the Church the Body of Christ.

Stranger

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Thing is... I'm not a NAZI
I have Jesus.
Thank you Lord.

Both sides of every war is funded by jews who obtain their income by stealing from the productive nations (see parable of the Wheat and Tares).
Most miss the fact that the land will not yield for the descendants of Cain (Gods curse for fratricide).
Israel (the landmass) is the richest nation with the least amount of farmers or labourers...that little clue misses so many bible students as does the fact Israel is now the worlds capital for sexual slavery and forced prostitution and child kidnap. So that house is definately NOT in order.
Add to that the marks of the true ISRAEL you can see who the Wheat are and who the tares are.

The English and Germans are kindred people which is why the jew loves to get brother killing brother or cousin. More White Christians died in the wars than jews.
You seem to know your history....
How many Christians died in Russia at the hands of jews (communist bolsheviks)???

Jews HATE racially aware Israelites, they are par excellence enemy number 1 to the jew.


Fratricide is polar opposite to "love thy neighbor" and the animosity is still felt.

All jews had rejected Christ at his trial.
That curse is on their children (blood curse) not even Pauls "grace" will save them.

When I was young I looked up to the Jews and thought that the State of Israel was a good thing, as I like the Jews of the OT who follow Holy Moses, I thought well this is a good thing for the Jews to have their own Land so that they were not persecuted by others. but as time went on the State became nothing to do with the OT or religious and sadly became a den of unreligious un Godly, full of poofters queers Socialist etc that does not resemble that of the OT at all in any way that one could imagine.
No one who has studied the OT could be so stupid to identify with such a creep show.
I am very sad to see it the way that it has become, my dad always wanted the Jews to come to Australia so that this Nation would prosper, he had high regard for the Jews and there ability's, but he also knew about the bad ones who's greed was beyond a joke, that only did more harm to all people.

People reap what they sow regardless of who they are, we see people bring bad traits with them when they immigrate and the people get fed up with them and there rubbish, my mum came to this country and she set out to be come a Aussie back in the 1950's and all types of nationalities were all tossed together, and all went well because they all had a common will to come together and leave the pasts behind mainly for this country for there children. but sadly what we have had for many years is people coming with no regard for our Nation at all, but to bring there own cultural madness that they ran away from and now set it up here and demand that such is there right, but it will clash and there will be hell to pay down the track. it's a Nation divided and such Nations fail badly, but sadly nowadays the Socialist Political Correct dipstick Nazi types that hate freedom of speech and run about trying to come the heavy with anyone who does not conform with there insane madness, so that we must turn a blind eye to all that is not desirable or healthy, because they are so sick and depraved, such does not bother them at all, because such are filthy degenerates themselves, the lowest common denominator is empowered ! and that is like being up a creek without a paddle with only a pack of good for nothing foolish drongos about you.
Oh boo hoo ! cry baby's is what they are, oh someone has more than they do, not fair ! even tho the other worked for it, but the cry baby's want it all for free and will not work if they have to brake a sweat because that's not fair to them, they are that pathetic.

 

[Stranger]

The MAJOR premise here is already in the title.
Christian "IDENTITY"

Who are ISRAEL (sons of Isaac)?
It is the study of primarily, regarding the Tender twig in Jeremiah that raised the question "which peoples show ALL the marks of ISRAEL" ?
Where are they now, where did they settle, what route did they take, did they leave any clues during the migration?
All the Hitler rubbish attached to it is in my opinion an attempt to obfuscate peoples findings and genuine study.
It involuntarily attacks the hegemony of common belief that Israel (the place) are the inheritors!

Israel consists of the physical descendants of Jacob's 12 sons. Their land is that area known as Palestine. Israel is both a place and a people. Out of this Jewish people are the believers in their God, who at this time, have come to Christ. These are always the 'true Israel'.

Stranger

 

[Danube]

So your saying God uses the word in scripture (Israel) to denote a landmass also? Israel as a geographical entity was not concieved by the Rothschild dynasty (jews) until 1948?

The inhabitants of Israel currently call themselves jews (but they are not are they!)

The Pharisees religion called Judaism uses the Talmud as its major authority (not the Torah) which is why they call themselves jews.
They hide within the sophistry of peoples ignorance.

So..is a "jew"

a Judahite (from the tribe of Judah), a Judean (someone from the land of Judea), a Israelite (pure blood descendant of Isaac), a modern jew (adherant of Judaism)...?

I must remind you that a true Israelite is born in Jesus and from Adam! (not an Edomitic mixture of all races because God tells us no mamzer will make it into the congregation).