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How can anyone who calls himself a Christian be in favor of dispossessing millions of Palestinians from their homelands.?

This is what it means to be a Christian Zionist. But things go from bad to worse when you consider that among the Palestinians there exists a large community of Christian Palestinians who have equally suffered at the hands of the sadistic bloodthirsty zionist vermin who are stealing and killing the innocents.
Has the christian community been blinded ,have they swallowed the jewish poison? Are their eyes blind just as the eyes of the Jews who murdered Jesus Christ ? just asking.
 

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Based on your exposition of hatred against Jews, you would have to hate us Christians too, since Christ promised to gather us to Jerusalem where His Kingdom is going to be established on earth.

The holy lands of promise belong to God, and He can give the land to whomever He pleases. Just so happens, except for the portion of Jerusalem where He has promised to dwell forever, the other parts He has already promised to Israel under Christ Jesus, which will include the believing Gentiles (Isaiah 54 says the tent will be enlarged to include believing Gentiles).

So the Palestinians who accept Christ Jesus as their Saviour are pretty smart. They will inherit the land. Those who refuse Christ Jesus will be cut off from it, by their 'own' choice.
 

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A Christian does not subscribe to any "ism" whatsover. God's politics are not represented by those of men.
 
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How can anyone who calls himself a Christian be in favor of dispossessing millions of Palestinians from their homelands.?

-- Are these the same Palestinians who, when the UN granted Israel part of the land that had been the nation of Israel twice before in history, banded with the Jordanians, Lebanese, Syrians, and Egyptians and declared they would kill every Jewish man, woman, and child?

You try to wipe out an entire population and then are man when that population won't bend over backwards to help you? Please.

You have drunk the Kool-Aid and facts will not sway you.

You might want to askm though why the Jordanians, Lebanese, and Syrians still hold their Palesitians "brothers and sisters" in large camps, mostly in squalor, not allowing them to walk freely on the streets of their countries.



Just how many anti-Semitic threads do you feel you need to start on this board?




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I agree with you Foreigner! From what I see from Islam is they will not help their own or each other. We should not have to be over there. They won't help the oppressed. But Gods plans will come to pass! Prophesy is being fulfilled and I want to be ready! I want to have my wedding gown on and I want my lamp to be full. When Christ Jesus comes the Jews and all of Isreal will know him! The whole world will know him! Every knee will bow and confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of the Father! HalleluYAH!
 

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How can anyone who calls himself a Christian be in favor of dispossessing millions of Palestinians from their homelands.?

This is what it means to be a Christian Zionist. But things go from bad to worse when you consider that among the Palestinians there exists a large community of Christian Palestinians who have equally suffered at the hands of the sadistic bloodthirsty zionist vermin who are stealing and killing the innocents.
Has the christian community been blinded ,have they swallowed the jewish poison? Are their eyes blind just as the eyes of the Jews who murdered Jesus Christ ? just asking.
I think some people believe the people that have lived in that land for 2000 years should just walk off and are not interested at all in these people their fate.
So i think that is wrong as it's does not live up to the OT commandments or the NT.

I think it is all the work of the Devil, no wonder their is hostility.

Hitler wanted his land back to and he did not take back any land that they were not entitled to and them borders were theirs only 20 years before hand. and what about Poland being total morons, that land was never theirs at all if you know history.
 

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The heart of Islam is their leadership and religious clerics. And those clerics admitted they aim to destroy all Israelites off the earth. They also have admitted why they want to do that, and it's not just because of their Koran telling them to kill the infidel. It's because they claim Israel stole their birthright.

An Islamic cleric on a PBS show like Face The Nation admitted that very thing. The Arabs are descended from the seed of Ishmael, the firstborn son of Abraham and Hagar (Sarah's handmaid). God had already reserved His Birthright promise to Abraham's seed through his wife Sarah, and not Hagar. This is the real shabby secret of the religion of Islam, showing that it is actually just another form of political Zionism, Arab Zionism.
 

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No proof?

It may have been Face The Nation talk show. But try this...

http://muhammad.net/other-scriptures-mainmenu-43/26-muhammad-in-the-bible/103-the-question-of-the-birthright-and-the-covenant.html


"A virtuous poor Egyptian girl, Hagar by name, is a slave and a maid in the service of Sarah. At the bidding and consent of the mistress the maidservant is duly married by the Prophet, and from this union Ishmael is born, as fore- told by the Angel. When Ishmael is thirteen years old, Allah again sends His Angel with His revelation to Abraham; the same promise is repeated to Abraham; the rite of Circumcision is formally instituted and immediately executed. Abraham, at his ninetieth year of age, Ishmael, and all the male servants, are circumcised; and the "Covenant" between God and Abraham with his only begotten son is made and sealed, as if it were with the blood of circumcision. It is a kind of treaty concluded between Heaven and the Promised Land in the person of Ishmael as the only offspring of the nonagenarian Patriarch. Abraham promises allegiance and fealty to his Creator, and God promises to be forever the Protector and God of the posterity of Ishmael.

Later on - that is to say, when Abraham was ninety- nine years old and Sarah ninety, we find that she also bears a son whom they name Isaac according to the Divine promise.

As no chronological order is observed in the Book of Genesis, we are told that after the birth of Isaac, Ishmael and his mother are turned out and sent away by Abraham in a most cruel manner, simply because Sarah so wished. Ishmael and his mother disappear in the desert, a fountain bursts out when the youth is on the point of death from thirst; he drinks and is saved. Nothing more is heard of Ishmael in the Book of Genesis except that he married an Egyptian woman, and when Abraham died he was present together with Isaac to bury their dead father.

Then the Book of Genesis continues the story of Isaac, his two sons, and the descent of Jacob into Egypt, and ends with the death of Joseph.

The next important event in the history of Abraham as recorded in Genesis (xxii.) is the offering of "his only son" a sacrifice to God, but he was ransomed with a ram which was presented by an angel. As the Qur'an says, "That was indeed a clear trial" for Abraham (Qur'an, Ch. 38:106), but his love for God surpassed every other affection; and for this reason he is called the Friend of Allah, "Allah has taken Abraham for a Friend". (Qur'an)

Thus runs the brief account of Abraham in connection with our subject of the Birthright and the Covenant.

There are three distinct points which every true believer in God must accept as truths. The first point is that Ishmael is the legitimate son of Abraham, his first-born, and therefore his claim to birthright is quite just and legal. The second point is that the Covenant was made between God and Abra- ham as well as his only son Ishmael before Isaac was born. The Covenant and the institution of the Circumcision would have no value or signification unless the repeated promise contained in the Divine words, "Throughout thee all the nations of the earth shall be blessed," and especially the expression, the Seed "that shall come out from the bowels, he will inherit thee" (Gen. xv. 4). This promise was fulfilled when Ishmael was born (Gen. xvi.), and Abraham had the consolation that his chief servant Eliezer would no longer be his heir. Consequently we must admit that Ishmael was the real and legitimate heir of Abraham's spiritual dignity and privileges. The perogative that "by Abraham all the gene- rations of the earth shall be blessed, "so often repeated - though in different forms - was the heritage by birthright, and was the patrimony of Ishmael. The inheritance to which Ishmael was entitled by birthright was not the tent in which Abraham lived or a certain camel upon which he used to ride, but to subjugate and occupy forever all the territories extending from the Nile to the Euphrates, which were inhabited by some ten different nations (xvii. 18-21). These lands have never been subdued by the descendants of Isaac, but by those of Ishmael. This is an actual and literal fulfillment of one of the conditions contained in the Covenent.

The third point is that Isaac was also born miraculously and specially blessed by the Almighty, that for his people the land of Canaan was promised and actually occupied under Joshua. No Muslim ever thinks of disparaging the sacred and prophetical position of Isaac and his son Jacob; for to disparage or to lower a Prophet is an impiety. When we compare Ishmael and Isaac, we cannot but reverence and respect them both as holy Prophets of God. In fact, the people of Israel, with its Law and sacred Scriptures, have had a unique religious history in the Old World. They were indeed the Chosen People of God. Although that people have often rebelled against God, and fallen into idolatry, yet they have given to the world myriads of prophets and righteous men and women.

So far there could be no real point of controversy between the descendants of Ishmael and the people of Israel. For if by "Blessing" and the "Birthright" it meant only some material possessions and power, the dispute would be settled as it has been settled by sword and the accomplished fact of the Arab occupation of the promised lands. Rather, there is a fundamental point of dispute between the two nations now existing for nearly four thousand years; and that point is the question of the Messiah and Prophet Muhammad. The Jews do not see the fulfillment of the so-called Messianic prophecies either in the person of Christ or in that of Prophet Muhammad. The Jews have always been jealous of Ishmael because they know very well that in him the Covenant was made and with his circumcision it was concluded and sealed, and it is out of this rancor that their scribes or doctors of law have corrupted and interpolated many passages in their Scriptures. To efface the name "Ishmael" from the second, sixth, and seventh verses of the twenty-second chapter of the Book of Genesis and to insert in its place "Isaac," and to leave the descriptive epithet "thy only begotten son" is to deny the existence of the former and to violate the Covenant made between God and Ishmael...."
 

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Here's another paste from that Islamic site...

"The God who made the Covenant with Ishmael thus prescribes the law of inheritance, namely: If a man has two wives, one beloved and the other despised, and each one has a son, and if the son of the despised wife is the first-born, that son, and not the son of the beloved wife, is entitled to the birthright. Consequently the first-born shall inherit twice that of his brother. (Duet. xxi. 15-17). Is not, then, this law explicit enough to put to silence all who dispute the just claim of Ishmael to birthright?"

Do you see how they twist the wording of our Bible, in order to try and claim God's birthright by covenant that went to Abraham's son Isaac?
 

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Hitler wanted his land back to and he did not take back any land that they were not entitled to and them borders were theirs only 20 years before hand. and what about Poland being total morons, that land was never theirs at all if you know history.


-- Hammerstone, I never thought I would say it, but it appears we need to do random drug testing for those who use this site.
 

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Based on your exposition of hatred against Jews, you would have to hate us Christians too, since Christ promised to gather us to Jerusalem where His Kingdom is going to be established on earth.

The holy lands of promise belong to God, and He can give the land to whomever He pleases. Just so happens, except for the portion of Jerusalem where He has promised to dwell forever, the other parts He has already promised to Israel under Christ Jesus, which will include the believing Gentiles (Isaiah 54 says the tent will be enlarged to include believing Gentiles).

So the Palestinians who accept Christ Jesus as their Saviour are pretty smart. They will inherit the land. Those who refuse Christ Jesus will be cut off from it, by their 'own' choice.


Anti-racist lexicon defined....

RACIST = White person

HATE GROUP = White group

HATE SITE = White site

COLONIALISM = White man moving to non-White country

MULTICULTURALISM = Non-White person moves to White country

Anti-Semite = Anyone Jews dislike

-- Are these the same Palestinians who, when the UN granted Israel part of the land that had been the nation of Israel twice before in history, banded with the Jordanians, Lebanese, Syrians, and Egyptians and declared they would kill every Jewish man, woman, and child?

You try to wipe out an entire population and then are man when that population won't bend over backwards to help you? Please.

You have drunk the Kool-Aid and facts will not sway you.

You might want to askm though why the Jordanians, Lebanese, and Syrians still hold their Palesitians "brothers and sisters" in large camps, mostly in squalor, not allowing them to walk freely on the streets of their countries.



Just how many anti-Semitic threads do you feel you need to start on this board?




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I think you've swallowed the jewish kool-ade.
 

teamventure

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you talk about hate groups and racists while calling the jews vermin? yeah we know who the racist hate mongerer is.
 

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-- Hammerstone, I never thought I would say it, but it appears we need to do random drug testing for those who use this site.

What are you a cry baby foreigner as you can't even address it to me. go figure,
That is what Hitler was going on about mate, go have a look at the history of the borders.

Some of the mental deficient clowns that rant and rave about the so called jews having their home land back with out any consideration about the people living their being treated like they have been would be the same type of demented people who would support the worst of the Nazi mobs behaviours.
Some are so blinded by hatred that they can't see jack.
 

lawrance

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The heart of Islam is their leadership and religious clerics. And those clerics admitted they aim to destroy all Israelites off the earth. They also have admitted why they want to do that, and it's not just because of their Koran telling them to kill the infidel. It's because they claim Israel stole their birthright.

An Islamic cleric on a PBS show like Face The Nation admitted that very thing. The Arabs are descended from the seed of Ishmael, the firstborn son of Abraham and Hagar (Sarah's handmaid). God had already reserved His Birthright promise to Abraham's seed through his wife Sarah, and not Hagar. This is the real shabby secret of the religion of Islam, showing that it is actually just another form of political Zionism, Arab Zionism.
This fight betwen the two should of ended with the coming of Christ and when they do come to Chist all will look back and see the madness and foolishness of it all.
Them Jews and Arabs are lost in the past and are misslead by the works of Satan.
 

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What are you a cry baby foreigner as you can't even address it to me. go figure,
That is what Hitler was going on about mate, go have a look at the history of the borders.

Some of the mental deficient clowns that rant and rave about the so called jews having their home land back with out any consideration about the people living their being treated like they have been would be the same type of demented people who would support the worst of the Nazi mobs behaviours.
Some are so blinded by hatred that they can't see jack.


LOL, THIS from the same guy who said this:


Hitler wanted his land back to and he did not take back any land that they were not entitled to and them borders were theirs only 20 years before hand. and what about Poland being total morons, that land was never theirs at all if you know history.

-- So........Hitler was entitled to Czechoslovakia, Austria, Poland, France, Belgium, Holland, The Ukraine, etc. etc. etc.
And in order to ensure that he got what he "deserved" it was necessary for him to butcher MILLIONS of Jews, right?

No? It wasn't right for him to slaughter Jews in the course of getting what he "deserved?"
Because that is the mentality of the Palestinians and their neighbors you seem to support.

They feel that the Jewish nation doesn't deserve to exist - At all.
They don't feel that even a SQUARE INCH of that area should go to Israel.

When the UNITED NATIONS (not Israel) partitioned the land and gave both the Jews and the Palestinians land (large portions that had been part of two previous nations of Israel), the Jews said they accept those borders and requested Statehood.

The Palestinians, in all their Hitler-like thinking, said it ALL belongs to them.

They, along with the Syrians, Jordanian, Lebanese, and Egyptians set out with the declared purpose of killing all Jewish men women and children and "Wiping Israel off the map."

They failed - BIG TIME.....except for Jordan, which took and kept for themselves much of the West Bank and East Jerusalem.
To the victor goes the spoils, I guess. They didn't give it to the Palestinians, but instead ANNEXED IT FOR THEMSELVES.
That was taken by the Israelis when another unprovoked attack on Israel was launched.

But let's look back at Germany, shall we?

Look at the map of Germany today compared to Germany 1934 and you will see large parts of what USED TO BE Germany now belonging to Poland and Russia. Germany lost their war of aggression and paid a price.

The Palestinians lost their war of aggression, but you seem to feel that they were correct: That the UN decision to give part of the land WHICH HAS NEVER BEEN A NATION OF PALESTINE BUT HAS BEEN THE NATION OF ISRAEL, to Israel was wrong.


As I said, random drug testing appears to be needed.


As for the name calling, I expected no less of you. It is what you resort to when your position cannot be defended...




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LOL, THIS from the same guy who said this:




-- So........Hitler was entitled to Czechoslovakia, Austria, Poland, France, Belgium, Holland, The Ukraine, etc. etc. etc.
And in order to ensure that he got what he "deserved" it was necessary for him to butcher MILLIONS of Jews, right?

No? It wasn't right for him to slaughter Jews in the course of getting what he "deserved?"
Because that is the mentality of the Palestinians and their neighbors you seem to support.

They feel that the Jewish nation doesn't deserve to exist - At all.
They don't feel that even a SQUARE INCH of that area should go to Israel.

When the UNITED NATIONS (not Israel) partitioned the land and gave both the Jews and the Palestinians land (large portions that had been part of two previous nations of Israel), the Jews said they accept those borders and requested Statehood.

The Palestinians, in all their Hitler-like thinking, said it ALL belongs to them.

They, along with the Syrians, Jordanian, Lebanese, and Egyptians set out with the declared purpose of killing all Jewish men women and children and "Wiping Israel off the map."

They failed - BIG TIME.....except for Jordan, which took and kept for themselves much of the West Bank and East Jerusalem.
To the victor goes the spoils, I guess. They didn't give it to the Palestinians, but instead ANNEXED IT FOR THEMSELVES.
That was taken by the Israelis when another unprovoked attack on Israel was launched.

But let's look back at Germany, shall we?

Look at the map of Germany today compared to Germany 1934 and you will see large parts of what USED TO BE Germany now belonging to Poland and Russia. Germany lost their war of aggression and paid a price.

The Palestinians lost their war of aggression, but you seem to feel that they were correct: That the UN decision to give part of the land WHICH HAS NEVER BEEN A NATION OF PALESTINE BUT HAS BEEN THE NATION OF ISRAEL, to Israel was wrong.


As I said, random drug testing appears to be needed.


As for the name calling, I expected no less of you. It is what you resort to when your position cannot be defended...




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You are of with the pixies mate.
What Hitler was on about was the old boarders back not the other countries as that is just slander.
The Jewish state wants it's borders back to, it lost it to if you know your history.
I see people who are so blinded by Satan that they will go to any length to push their way on others causing war and destruction to achieve their goals.
I see some people even reject the ten commandments and think they are entitled to do any thing they want even slandering Christ position to achieve their point.
The UN is God given is it, i don't even think it is Christian at all is it but a worldly thing.
 

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Just curious, big guy - how late is too late to lay claim to your previous borders?

Germany lost their borders because they lost WWI (a war where THEY were the aggressor). yet you felt they were entitled to get them back.

This, even though if you go far enough back in history, those borders were established at the cost of another country or principality, or kingdom.

Israel was ejected from their homeland of thousands of years and was happy to take just a fraction of it back with the UN's blessing - a fraction that didn't even include Jerusalem, their previous capital.

The countries that attacked them to wipe out the Jewish population and wipe Israel from the map lost, plain and simple. They attacked a couple of other times over the next decades - with the same stated goal - and again lost land.

Yet you feel they have a right to take land that never belonged to a Palestinian state in the first place but DID belong to a previous Jewish state.

- There are historial Jewish settlements there going back thousands of years.
- There have been Jewish people living in the area non-stop for thousands of years.
- The Al-Aqsa mosque is built on the ruins of not just the first but the SECOND Jewish Temple.

Translation: The Jews were unfairly and unjustly ejected from their lands and have now returned to rightfully claim them.

No? Don't think so? Then so much for your Hitler analogy.

So I ask again: Just how late is too late for a nation to return and claim land that was unlawfully taken from them?

If another nation is established on it, that is pretty hard. Just look at the native Americans and the U.S.

But if the their land is not part of an existing nation, and your own people (along with others) have continued to live on that land non-stop,
AND you can prove that you have twice in the past have had a nation there, and were illegally ejected....you have just made an excellent case for yourself.

Don't like the UN decision? Write your congressman. But you not liking it does not void the legality of it.


Play this one out in that head of yours:

Israel controls the land for the next 2000 years and then the Palestinians have an uprising and take it back, stating that it has historically always been their land. Palestinians that have been living outside of the nation of Isreal for those 2000 years.

Would the Palestinians be justified? Yes? Then you have just confirmed that Israel has a right to the land based on historical events.

And if the Palestinians are not justified in your eyes?
Then you have just confirmed that all Israel has to do is hold on to the land long enough (land that was legally theirs before), and it will legally be theirs again.

You had better let the paint dry before you try to leave that corner you painted yourself into... ;)

As far as your comment about "slandering Christ's position...."

Ignoring the fact that you do not support that claim and are obviously unqualified to make it,
the more you talk the more it seems that perhaps random drug testing SHOULD be a reality here...





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I am not taking sides with anyone bro.
But just stating the story of what Hitler was on about and it happens to be a fact.
The point i am making is the madness that people will go to to push their ends.
Now what Hitler was on about was 'Race' mainly to do with the borders just like the story of the Jews it's all about race.
Now Hitler and you are on the same wave length and your ranting and raving about the home land .

What you are on about with the Jew loosing their home land ( that it was unfair ) shows you are ignorant of the scriptures. they lost it because they rejected God! and he vomited them out and that's a fact! no one could be so stupid to not understand the vineyard story ? the Jewish people were lead down the garden path by Devils because they were corrupted they turned from God and and were so corrupted that they could not see his Son coming to save.

The UN's blessing HA! come of it! we know who is on drugs now.

I am part Jewish mate and i know their are people who would kill me just because of my real sir name but i don't lower my self to blind hatred and revenge because i know that Jesus Christ is my Lord and Saviour and he is the only way. and anything other is just in vain. i believe in the 10 commandments and Jesus brought them to life before that they were cold and harsh now they are in the right context under Christ love.

I don't know what some people get out of trying to twist someones words just to suit some silly position of theirs.
 

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mr rosenburger who do you believe has the right to the land in jerusalem? israel or palestine?