Christians and the Law of Moses

[Brakelite]

Take it up with Jesus.....He was that One that used Paul as His Secretary to write it down......Jesus Also said that even though “ all things are Lawful”....... not everything is EXPEDIENT.....

Mmm. That's what I suspected. Interesting how the more we get into a conversation the more we understand one another. So, according to your understanding of scripture murder, adultery, theft, idolatry, blasphemy, etc is no longer unlawful, it just isn't expedient. Sure. Okay. This is Christianity you're talking about here right? Not Freemasonry? Makes me wonder if murder can then be fully justified if it can be shown to be expedient. The end justifies the means?

 

[YeshuaFan1]

Hi @Blood Bought 1953 Re. the law, what is striking from Hebrews 7 is that in verse 12 it says the law was changed and in verse 19 what we now have is better than the law.

The law of Moses replaced now by the Law of Christ!

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Mmm. That's what I suspected. Interesting how the more we get into a conversation the more we understand one another. So, according to your understanding of scripture murder, adultery, theft, idolatry, blasphemy, etc is no longer unlawful, it just isn't expedient. Sure. Okay. This is Christianity you're talking about here right? Not Freemasonry? Makes me wonder if murder can then be fully justified if it can be shown to be expedient. The end justifies the means?

I don’t really understand it either.......Jesus used Paul to say it.....I’m just throwing it out there ...if you have a “ beef” about it .....take it up with them...

 

[YeshuaFan1]

“ All Those Under the Law are under the CURSE of the Law......that “ Curse” would entail that if you choose your Performance to the Law as the basis of your Justification before a Holy God for your Salvation.....you have to obey every “ jot and tittle” of that Law 24/7...... good luck with that !

Luckily , I found a Loophole that gets me around a System That Paul declared “ impossible to Keep”——This “ Loophole” is available for Sinners everywhere.......find it in 1Cor15:1-4..... Its commonly referred to as Paul’s Gospel Of Grace.....( Given to Him personally by Jesus).....

If one decides to stay in Sabbath keeping, curse is upon them, as none save jesus ever kept it as God demanded!

 

[justbyfaith]

Okay, certainly agree with that. In believing you are doing precisely that and walking in obedience, and you read in the law something that doesn't harmonize with that walk, what do you do?

It's like when Jesus healed people on the sabbath day.

The law of love superseded the law of the sabbath.

 

[justbyfaith]

If one decides to stay in Sabbath keeping, curse is upon them, as none save jesus ever kept it as God demanded!

Jesus didn't keep the sabbath day laws (John 5:1-18).

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Jesus didn't keep the sabbath day laws (John 5:1-18).

There is the Letter of the Law and there is also the SPIRIT of the Law.....the latter trumps the former and Jesus “ kept” the Sprit Of The Law always.

 

[justbyfaith]

There is the Letter of the Law and there is also the SPIRIT of the Law.....the latter trumps the former and Jesus “ kept” the Sprit Of The Law always.

Of course...the change in law spoken of in Hebrews 7:12 is that it was changed from being bound to the letter to being obedient to the spirit, of what is written.

 

[Brakelite]

It's like when Jesus healed people on the sabbath day.

The law of love superseded the law of the sabbath.

Or perhaps the law of love is the law of the Sabbath.

 

[Brakelite]

If one decides to stay in Sabbath keeping, curse is upon them, as none save jesus ever kept it as God demanded!

No-one but Jesus kept the 6th commandment either as the law commanded. So what are you saying?

 

[justbyfaith]

Or perhaps the law of love is the law of the Sabbath.

The sabbath law required that man not do any work on the sabbath.

In order to heal people according to His love, He had to work; and in doing this on the sabbath, He violated the letter of the sabbath laws.

 

[YeshuaFan1]

No-one but Jesus kept the 6th commandment either as the law commanded. So what are you saying?

That just because Jesus as a jew born under the Law of isreal under the OC practiced and observed all things mean that we still need to under the new Covenant!

 

[Brakelite]

The sabbath law required that man not do any work on the sabbath.

In order to heal people according to His love, He had to work; and in doing this on the sabbath, He violated the letter of the sabbath laws.

The commandment said that,...
KJV Exodus 20
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

So, who's work was Jesus doing in healing on the Sabbath?

 

[justbyfaith]

The commandment said that,...
KJV Exodus 20
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

So, who's work was Jesus doing in healing on the Sabbath?

That's a good point; but Jesus is God. So if He was doing God's work, He was dong His work.

 

[Brakelite]

That's a good point; but Jesus is God. So if He was doing God's work, He was dong His work.

The Sabbath was sanctified... Set apart for holy use. Surely you wouldn't suggest that doing good for others is not a holy work?

 

[justbyfaith]

The Sabbath was sanctified... Set apart for holy use. Surely you wouldn't suggest that doing good for others is not a holy work?

In Exodus 20:10 you shall not do any work on the sabbath.

Exo 20:10, But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

 

[YeshuaFan1]

That's a good point; but Jesus is God. So if He was doing God's work, He was dong His work.

He was doing the very same works that God the father was doing!

 

[justbyfaith]

He was doing the very same works that God the father was doing!

The point is that He was working on the sabbath day (John 5:16-18); and therefore violating the letter of the sabbath day laws.

 

[YeshuaFan1]

The point is that He was working on the sabbath day (John 5:16-18); and therefore violating the letter of the sabbath day laws.

yes, and he was showing to the Pharisees that we need to live under Spirit, not letter of the Law!

 

[justbyfaith]

yes, and he was showing to the Pharisees that we need to live under Spirit, not letter of the Law!

Exactly the point I was trying to make. I'm glad you apprehended it so easily.