Christians and the Law of Moses

[justbyfaith]

A small portion of my testimony can be found here:

My testimony (justbyfaith).

 

[amadeus]

A small portion of my testimony can be found here:

My testimony (justbyfaith).

Thank you I had read your testimony as posted previously. My point was that our testimony at this moment is very important. Yesterday is gone no matter how good it may have been before God and tomorrow we may never see in this flesh. Today is the day that we have in which to work the work of God in our own lives.

 

[justbyfaith]

Thank you I had read your testimony as posted previously. My point was that our testimony at this moment is very important. Yesterday is gone no matter how good it may have been before God and tomorrow we may never see in this flesh. Today is the day that we have in which to work the work of God in our own lives.

Indeed; for whenever 2 Corinthians 6:2 is read, the "now" of that moment is the time of salvation.

And this indicates to me that salvation is always in the present moment. tick-tock-tick-tock-tick-tock...

 

[BloodBought 1953]

This is done to extreem in the book of Galatians. The book of Galatians is a book containing 6 very short chapters. In these 6 chapters circumcision is mentioned 16 times. The commandments are not mentioned once. Yet, those people that wish to do away with GODS commandments use scriptures from Galatians to try and do so. The law of circumcism is one of the carnal ordinances of the law that were nailed to the cross. Those that wish to do away with Gods 10 commandments will also try and tell you that the ordinances and the ten commandments are simply parts of the law and are not separate from one another. In saying that they will point to a scripture thats speaking of circumcision and then apply that scripture to Gods 10 commandments.

2 KINGS 17 [36] But the LORD, who brought you up out of the land of Egypt with great power and a stretched out arm, him shall ye fear, and him shall ye worship, and to him shall ye do sacrifice.[37] AND the statutes, AND the ordinances, AND the law, AND the commandment, which he wrote for you, ye shall observe to do for evermore; and ye shall not fear other gods.

AND means AND....

1 COR. 7 [19] Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

And although the law of circumcision was nailed to the cross, Gods law (the 10 commandments) are to be kept.

Jesus said, “ALL things are Lawful”......are you Aware Of That ?

 

[Brakelite]

Jesus said, “ALL things are Lawful”......are you Aware Of That ?

Like adultery and murder?

 

[justbyfaith]

Like adultery and murder?

See Galatians 5:18.

 

[Brakelite]

Jesus said, “ALL things are Lawful”......are you Aware Of That ?

Like adultery and murder?

See Galatians 5:18.

Please explain that scripture in the context of the above quotes.

 

[justbyfaith]

Please explain that scripture in the context of the above quotes.

There is no law against being obedient to the Spirit (walking according to the love of the Lord).

 

[YeshuaFan1]

Actually, according to Matthew 5:17-20 all the laws in the OT are still valid.

Romans 6:14, Romans 7:4, Galatians 2:19, Romans 7:6 all say that there is no more condemnation coming from them and that we are delivered from all of them as concerning condemnation.

That being said, in Hebrews it is written that the law is written on the hearts and minds of New Covenant believers.

This is the law as it has been changed (Hebrews 7:12) from the letter to the spirit (Romans 7:6, 2 Corinthians 3:6).

The New Testament tells us the virtues we are to follow...and the OT tells us the requirement for those who would seek to be justified by works (Galatians 3:10, james 2:10, Matthew 5:48). All of the laws in the OT are valid...and if you teach otherwise you will be called the least in the kingdom of heaven (Matthew 5:17-20).

We are not under the law, are dead to the law, and are delivered from the law; and yet the law is written on our hearts and in our minds.

This is to say that the law no longer condemns us from the outside, as being written on tables of stone; but it governs us from the inside, as being written on fleshy tables of human hearts (2 Corinthians 3:3).

We are not still under Sabbath or Jewish dietary laws though!

 

[ChristisGod]

Thank you I had read your testimony as posted previously. My point was that our testimony at this moment is very important. Yesterday is gone no matter how good it may have been before God and tomorrow we may never see in this flesh. Today is the day that we have in which to work the work of God in our own lives.

How much weight do you place on a " testimony " ?

I know mormons and jw's with " testimonies " as well.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Like adultery and murder?

Take it up with Jesus.....He was that One that used Paul as His Secretary to write it down......Jesus Also said that even though “ all things are Lawful”....... not everything is EXPEDIENT.....

 

[farouk]

Take it up with Jesus.....He was that One that used Paul as His Secretary to write it down......Jesus Also said that even though “ all things are Lawful”....... not everything is EXPEDIENT.....

Hi @Blood Bought 1953 Re. the law, what is striking from Hebrews 7 is that in verse 12 it says the law was changed and in verse 19 what we now have is better than the law.

 

[amadeus]

How much weight do you place on a " testimony " ?

Weight? Since when is it my job to judge another man's testimony? If sometimes I might doubt someone's testimony, shouldn't I really want to keep my mouth shut rather than to judge when it is not my place to judge?

"Judge not, that ye be not judged.
For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again." Matt 7:1-2

I know mormons and jw's with " testimonies " as well.

And so then you have decided that because of their affiliation with a group you have decided has some error, they could not possibly know God and really have had experiences with God about which to testify?

Did not this Roman centurion who was Not of the Jews, but a heathen/gentile, have a testimony worth being heard?

"The centurion answered and said, Lord, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed.
For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this man, Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth it.
When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel." Matt 8:8-10

And did not this widow and this leper who were Not Israelites, but heathen/gentiles, have testimonies worth being heard?

"But I tell you of a truth, many widows were in Israel in the days of Elias, when the heaven was shut up three years and six months, when great famine was throughout all the land;
But unto none of them was Elias sent, save unto Sarepta, a city of Sidon, unto a woman that was a widow.
And many lepers were in Israel in the time of Eliseus the prophet; and none of them was cleansed, saving Naaman the Syrian." Luke 4:25-27

 

[BloodBought 1953]

We are not still under Sabbath or Jewish dietary laws though!

“ All Those Under the Law are under the CURSE of the Law......that “ Curse” would entail that if you choose your Performance to the Law as the basis of your Justification before a Holy God for your Salvation.....you have to obey every “ jot and tittle” of that Law 24/7...... good luck with that !

Luckily , I found a Loophole that gets me around a System That Paul declared “ impossible to Keep”——This “ Loophole” is available for Sinners everywhere.......find it in 1Cor15:1-4..... Its commonly referred to as Paul’s Gospel Of Grace.....( Given to Him personally by Jesus).....

 

[ChristisGod]

Weight? Since when is it my job to judge another man's testimony? If sometimes I might doubt someone's testimony, shouldn't I really want to keep my mouth shut rather than to judge when it is not my place to judge?

"Judge not, that ye be not judged.
For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again." Matt 7:1-2


And so then you have decided that because of their affiliation with a group you have decided has some error, they could not possibly know God and really have had experiences with God about which to testify?

Did not this Roman centurion who was Not of the Jews, but a heathen/gentile, have a testimony worth being heard?

"The centurion answered and said, Lord, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed.
For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this man, Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth it.
When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel." Matt 8:8-10

And did not this widow and this leper who were Not Israelites, but heathen/gentiles, have testimonies worth being heard?

"But I tell you of a truth, many widows were in Israel in the days of Elias, when the heaven was shut up three years and six months, when great famine was throughout all the land;
But unto none of them was Elias sent, save unto Sarepta, a city of Sidon, unto a woman that was a widow.
And many lepers were in Israel in the time of Eliseus the prophet; and none of them was cleansed, saving Naaman the Syrian." Luke 4:25-27

So in your opinion a person can be saved be believing in a false christ and god right ?

 

[amadeus]

So in your opinion a person can be saved be believing in a false christ and god right ?

I said nothing about salvation.

 

[ChristisGod]

I said nothing about salvation.

ok thanks

 

[justbyfaith]

We are not still under Sabbath or Jewish dietary laws though!

Let each man be fully convinced in his own mind...

and,

We that are strong ought to bear the infirmities of the weak.

Romans 14-15.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

How much weight do you place on a " testimony " ?

I know mormons and jw's with " testimonies " as well.

Pro tip: before you offhandedly dismiss somebody (let alone lots of somebodies), take the time to listen and understand the, particularity their belief in Jesus Christ, the Everlasting Son of God.

 

[Brakelite]

There is no law against being obedient to the Spirit (walking according to the love of the Lord).

Okay, certainly agree with that. In believing you are doing precisely that and walking in obedience, and you read in the law something that doesn't harmonize with that walk, what do you do?