Christians That Hate Israel.

[n2thelight]

ah, the 12 tribes?

Duh,point was all 12 tribes are not in the state of Israel,so again I ask,where are they?

 

[Stranger]

Duh,point was all 12 tribes are not in the state of Israel,so again I ask,where are they?

How do you know?

Stranger

 

[n2thelight]

How do you know?

Stranger

What part of a company of nations you not getting?

The fact that the two sticks won't be joined back together until the return of Christ should tell you something...

 

[Enoch111]

Duh,point was all 12 tribes are not in the state of Israel,so again I ask,where are they?

Evidently God knows exactly where they are, otherwise we would not have these future prophecies:

REVELATION 7
1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand [12 X 12,000] of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.
Thus saith the Lord GOD; This shall be the border, whereby ye shall inherit the land according to the twelve tribes of Israel: Joseph shall have two portions. (Ezek 47:12,13)

 

[Stranger]

What part of a company of nations you not getting?

The fact that the two sticks won't be joined back together until the return of Christ should tell you something...

I asked you about the 12 tribes. How do you know all 12 tribes are not in the nation of Israel?

Chapter and verses. What should it tell me?

Stranger

 

[bbyrd009]

What part of a company of nations you not getting?

The fact that the two sticks won't be joined back together until the return of Christ should tell you something...

the fact that you cannot Quote a return of Christ should tell you something too i guess?

Duh,point was all 12 tribes are not in the state of Israel,so again I ask,where are they?

ah ok gotcha

 

[Episkopos]

People are looking in the wrong places. The 10 northern tribes were "sifted through the nations". Their previous identity is lost....forever. Now it is a spiritual gathering...not based on DNA....but on the will of God...to have mercy on ALL nations, tribes and languages through them.

So then when a person is grafted into Israel...they indeed have a tribal identity...to GOD. Not to men. That identity is Ephraim (double fruit). If Ephraim does not bear the fruit of BOTH holiness AND righteousness...they are rejected from being Israel...just as their forbears were also rejected.

 

[amadeus]

People are looking in the wrong places. The 10 northern tribes were "sifted through the nations". Their previous identity is lost....forever. Now it is a spiritual gathering...not based on DNA....but on the will of God...to have mercy on ALL nations, tribes and languages through them.

So then when a person is grafted into Israel...they indeed have a tribal identity...to GOD. Not to men. That identity is Ephraim (double fruit). If Ephraim does not bear the fruit of BOTH holiness AND righteousness...they are rejected from being Israel...just as their forbears were also rejected.

Not saying you are wrong, not at all, but consider also this which I put together a while back:

Are there no more natural Levites? Are there no descendants of tribes other than Judah and Benjamin?

"And the priests and the Levites that were in all Israel resorted to him out of all their coasts.

For the Levites left their suburbs and their possession, and came to Judah and Jerusalem: for Jeroboam and his sons had cast them off from executing the priest's office unto the LORD:

And he ordained him priests for the high places, and for the devils, and for the calves which he had made.

And after them out of all the tribes of Israel such as set their hearts to seek the LORD God of Israel came to Jerusalem, to sacrifice unto the LORD God of their fathers.

So they strengthened the kingdom of Judah, and made Rehoboam the son of Solomon strong, three years: for three years they walked in the way of David and Solomon. " II Chron 11:13-17

[This was prior to the northern tribes being carried away by the Assyrians, but Jeroboam, the first King of the northern kingdom (which separated from the south after Solomons' death) did not allow Levites to be priests because he was afraid they would convince other of his people to go to Jerusalem (in Judah) to worship and thus lose them as subjects. If you read carefully you will see that some members of the northern tribes, (although apparently few in number)went to Jerusalen to worship and even lived then in Judah rather than in their ancestral homes to the north.]

"And he gathered all Judah and Benjamin, and the strangers with them out of Ephraim and Manasseh, and out of Simeon: for they fell to him out of Israel in abundance, when they saw that the LORD his God was with him." II Chron 15:9

"And they went about in Judah, and gathered the Levites out of all the cities of Judah, and the chief of the fathers of Israel, and they came to Jerusalem." II Chron 23:2

"So the posts passed from city to city through the country of Ephraim and Manasseh even unto Zebulun: but they laughed them to scorn, and mocked them.
Nevertheless divers of Asher and Manasseh and of Zebulun humbled themselves, and came to Jerusalem." II Chron 30:10-11

"And concerning the children of Israel and Judah, that dwelt in the cities of Judah, they also brought in the tithe of oxen and sheep, and the tithe of holy things which were consecrated unto the LORD their God, and laid them by heaps." II Chron 31 :6

“And when they came to Hilkiah the high priest, they delivered the money that was brought into the house of God, which the Levites that kept the doors had gathered of the hand of Manasseh and Ephraim, and of all the remnant of Israel, and of all Judah and Benjamin; and they returned to Jerusalem." Chron 34:9

[From what I able to understand, this was about 100 years or so after many of the people realm of the northern tribes known as Israel (as opposed to Judah)were carried away by the Assyrians...). The Kingdom of Israel no longer existed politically, but some of the people were still there and also living in the still existent Kingdom of Judah.]

"So the priests, and the Levites, and some of the people, and the singers, and the porters, and the Nethinims, dwelt in their cities, and ALL Israel in their cities." Ezra 2:70 [this is speaking of those who were brought back from captivity..not only those of Judah and Benjamin, but as specifically mentioned: Levites.]

[And then in the New Testament:]

"And there was one Anna, a prophetess, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Aser [Asher = the 2nd son of Zilpah Leah's maid]: she was of a great age, and had lived with an husband seven years from her virginity;" Luke 2:36

So then are they all so mixed up that they will never be separated one tribe from another and from among the gentiles with whom they have mixed? Consider these words:

"But Judah shall dwell for ever, and Jerusalem from generation to generation.
For I will cleanse their blood that I have not cleansed: for the LORD dwelleth in Zion." Joel 3:20-21

It only mentions Judah, but it lets us know that God can be and will be involved. What do we know of all these things and how much will God allow us to know of what is or will be happening among the natural and/or spiritual descendants of Jacob/Israel?

 

[Jay Ross]

Hello, the first covenant which God entered into with the nation of Israel at Mt. Sinai in the desert, all of Israel was to become a Kingdom of Priests and a holy nation. The Priests of all of the tribes came up one after another to sacrifice unto the Lord their consent to the Covenant that God was entering into with them. This is the covenant that Israel broke with God while Moses was up on the mountain speaking face to Face with God.

The Levites were made priests to the Nation of Israel in the Mosaic Covenant that was entered into by God with Israel after Moses had intervened on behalf of the nation of Israel to not abandon them altogether because of their rebellion. The Mosaic Covenant has a sunset clause embedded within it that when The Christ comes, the Mosaic covenant loses it status for Israel and the world concerning the Salvation of all of the people of the earth.

In our near future, God intends to renew the first Mt Sinai Covenant with Israel such that will again become God's possession among the nation of the earth and His Kingdom of Priests and a Holy Nation Blessing all of the people of the earth as they teach them about the things of the everlasting Kingdom.

Is our problem that we are jealous of Israel, in that he became the prodigal son, whom God is going to welcome back and we the son who stay at home with the father are going to be upsurged by the prodigal son, during the end times?

Shalom

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

What part of a company of nations you not getting?

The fact that the two sticks won't be joined back together until the return of Christ should tell you something...

Maybe the two sticks were joined back together when Jesus Came, am I right ? what's the argument against such.

 

[n2thelight]

Again I ask where are the company of NATIONS?

 

[n2thelight]

Maybe the two sticks were joined back together when Jesus Came, am I right ? what's the argument against such.

It's no maybe they were not!

 

[bbyrd009]

Again I ask where are the company of NATIONS?

oh, they're here alright, they just aren't countries, like we might mistakenly be looking for?
countries are not nations, as i guess Israel makes obvious

 

[Enoch111]

People are looking in the wrong places. The 10 northern tribes were "sifted through the nations". Their previous identity is lost....forever.

If their identity is "lost....forever" we would not have the twelve tribes listed in Revelation, Ezekiel and other future prophecies. God knows exactly who is where.

 

[Episkopos]

If their identity is "lost....forever" we would not have the twelve tribes listed in Revelation, Ezekiel and other future prophecies. God knows exactly who is where.

People who are born of the Spirit are then grafted into an existing tribe. People once were grafted in physically...but we, spiritually.

The 10 northern tribes are known by the collective name of "Ephraim".

 

[Ac28]

There is no Israel today, in God's eyes. Israel was set aside in Ac 28:25-28, along with everything associated with Israel (like the rapture), in about 63AD. In Ac 28:25-27, spiritual blindness was pronounced upon Israel through the curse of Isa 6:9-10. In vs 28, the Salvation of God (Jesus Christ - Lk 1:69, 2:30, 3:6, Ac 13:46) was taken from Israel (Jn 4:22) and given to us Gentiles. Israel are "not My people" today. In God's eyes, they are essentially Gentiles today.

Israel are Lo-ammi, as prophesied in Hos 1:9. "Then said God, Call his name Loammi: for ye are not my people, and I will not be your God." This present 2000 year parenthetical, all-Gentile period, when God is calling out Gentiles (and those individual Jews who believe in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ), who will be the only human occupants of the Highest Heaven (Eph 1:20, 2:6), will be over in about 2063 and Israel will be back on the scene. This is confirmed in Hos 6:2. "After two days (2000 years) will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight."

All OT prophecy involves Israel. Since Israel doesn't exist today, in God's eyes, it is impossible that any OT prophecy has been fulfilled in the past 1900+ years. The present day "Israel" has nothing to do with prophecy, except for the fact that Israel are not God's people, today. Here's a quote from an article that summarizes Israel today.

"The Israeli government, today, is made up of unbelieving Jews administering a socialistic government which depends mostly upon the U.S.A. for its sustenance. When the true descendants of the three Patriarchs occupy the Land, they will depend on the LORD their God, and in no-one else will they trust. They will be totally dependent upon the Lord Jesus Christ. And, He will meet every need of His re-gathered people."

When Israel is actually gathered by God and brought into the land, here's the way it will be.
Eze 36:24-28
24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.

Those things in bold have obviously never happened. Present day Jews cannot keep the Law without a temple and they cannot keep the Law without animal sacrifices. Israel cannot be God's people unless they keep the Law. Israel will ALWAYS have to keep the Law.

 

[bbyrd009]

Those things in bold have obviously never happened

well, to some maybe, yes

Israel will ALWAYS have to keep the Law.

anyone who follows the law is Israel, might be better received by some? But obviously anyone who seeks to follow Christ must follow the law, plenty of Scripture for that right

 

[bbyrd009]

who will be the only human occupants of the Highest Heaven (Eph 1:20, 2:6)

1:20 works for Christ, the only one, and 2:6 is past tense, you might notice
6Together with Christ Jesus He also raised us up and seated us in the heavens

No one has ever gone up to heaven except He Who came down from it; which is surely in your Bible too

 

[Enoch111]

People who are born of the Spirit are then grafted into an existing tribe. People once were grafted in physically...but we, spiritually.

The 10 northern tribes are known by the collective name of "Ephraim".

If this were true, then we would not have the clear distinction between the Church and the twelve tribes of Israel in Revelation 7. And Ephraim is called "Joseph" among those tribes (whereas Manasseh remains Manasseh).

THE TWELVE TRIBES
Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand...Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand (Rev 7:6,8)

THE CHURCH
After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands... (Rev 8)

One of the biggest blunders that people make is to confuse the Church with Israel. And that is easily remedied by studying Bible prophecies carefully.

Thus saith the Lord GOD; This shall be the border, whereby ye shall inherit the land according to the twelve tribes of Israel: Joseph shall have two portions... And by the border of Naphtali, from the east side unto the west side, a portion for Manasseh. And by the border of Manasseh, from the east side unto the west side, a portion for Ephraim.
(Ezek 47:13; 48:4,5).

 

[Episkopos]

If this were true, then we would not have the clear distinction between the Church and the twelve tribes of Israel in Revelation 7. And Ephraim is called "Joseph" among those tribes (whereas Manasseh remains Manasseh).

THE TWELVE TRIBES
Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand...Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand (Rev 7:6,8)

THE CHURCH
After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands... (Rev 8)

One of the biggest blunders that people make is to confuse the Church with Israel. And that is easily remedied by studying Bible prophecies carefully.

Thus saith the Lord GOD; This shall be the border, whereby ye shall inherit the land according to the twelve tribes of Israel: Joseph shall have two portions... And by the border of Naphtali, from the east side unto the west side, a portion for Manasseh. And by the border of Manasseh, from the east side unto the west side, a portion for Ephraim.
(Ezek 47:13; 48:4,5).

You'll need to do a much more in depth study than this to get to the bottom of it.

Ephraim represented the 10 northern tribes who gathered at Shiloh (a city of Ephraim) rather than Jerusalem. Ephraim was sifted through all nations (over the past 3,000 years or so)

Spiritually, Manasseh represents Jewish believers in Messiah. In the MSS is hidden a clue that reveals Manasseh to have "Moshe" (Moses) inside the word with a raised Hebrew letter nun. Have you heard of the raised nun? But Ephraim is "the fulness of the Gentiles"

Gen 48:19 But his father refused and said, "I know, my son, I know; he also will become a people and he also will be great. However, his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his descendants shall become a multitude of nations."

The Hebrew says....melo hagoyim....which is "fulness of nations"...not multitude. This is what Paul was referring to in Romans.

....Rom. 11 that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved:

Israel is not complete without the fulness of the nations...