Christ's sinless Head with a sinful body?

[ScottA]

Anything Jesus didn't tell His apostles to write to us, He isn't telling us.

There are no new apostles to write new Bible.

For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:

Sure. All masters of mystery of iniquity, who justify sinning in the body of Christ, will end with His coming again.


Sure. The Spirit of truth leading the honest believers and readers into all the truth of the Bible. That includes assists and corrections from other honest readers and believers in all the words of the Bible.


Sure. No one can say they know all the truth of the Bible. There's always something more to learn more perfectly the doctrine of Christ.

False apostles and 'revelators' think to add more of their own 'truth' to the Bible by 'revelation' of the spirit of error.


For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.


Sure. Confusing and changing the words of God began in the garden, when Eve said neither should they 'touch it'.

Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,

(Touch not; taste not; handle not; Which all are to perish with the using after the commandments and doctrines of men?




Of what you think you know? Unfortunately, I am learning more all the time.

But, correcting errors is a good exercise to increase in more perfect understanding of Bible truth.

Says one who will not be corrected.

 

[Ghada]

What I'm calling dishonesty is attributing to others things they did not say. You seem to do this a lot, and it's dishonest, lying about others, while claiming to be righteous, which is hypocrisy.

Much love!

Your conscience rests entirely on your personal doctrine about yourself.

You get upset when your personal ideas are spoken plainly without all the pseudo-biblical stuff.

You are a Christian sinner, that will sin again and again. You declare it impossible to cease sinning and walk as Jesus walked all the time. You declare all Christians are also sinners like you.

This is the standard manner of all such Christian sinners, that teach their sinning Christianity to others.

Anything not true here. Just say so. Are you a sinner? Do you still sin? Have you ceased from sinning and walk as Jesus walked? Are all Christians sinners too like you?

I've been here before with you, and it is the last time I will bother with your personal issues.

I may live rent free in your mind, but believe me, unless you are actually trying to teach something, I have no thought about 'Mark' at any time.

 

[marks]

Anything not true here. Just say so.

Yeah, again you lie about others. In this instance it's me.

I know this about you, and you do not fool me.

And no . . . you don't live in my mind . . . you are chasing me. I was done with you.

Personal issues . . . yes, they show in your posts. There seems to be something that you need constantly affirmed, and it makes for a poor thread.

If you want to continue to chase me, have at it.

Much love!

 

[Ghada]

Yeah, again you lie about others. In this instance it's me.

I know this about you, and you do not fool me.

Again. Specifics please.

 

[Ghada]

Says one who will not be corrected.

There are no new apostles to write new Bible.

What's to correct here?

 

[marks]

Your conscience rests entirely on your personal doctrine about yourself.

You don't know me well enough to say things like this, you just make this stuff up to sound good. I'm not interested in getting into some long drawn out convo about myself with the likes of you. My consciences rests on the finished work of Jesus Christ.

You get upset when your personal ideas are spoken plainly without all the pseudo-biblical stuff.

Your false accusation of emotionalism.

You are a Christian sinner, that will sin again and again. You declare it impossible to cease sinning and walk as Jesus walked all the time. You declare all Christians are also sinners like you.

Post please, where I've said these things? Again, you just make stuff up to suit yourself. I've made no such declarations, and if you paid attention to my posts you'd know what I actually think. I don't think you care what I think, only that I can be a springboard for your self-affirmations. That's mostly what I see in your posts.

I've been here before with you, and it is the last time I will bother with your personal issues.

So will THIS TIME be the last time then?

I'm not interested, I'll tell you that. When you care so little for truth, why should I be?

Much love!

 

[Ghada]

My consciences rests on the finished work of Jesus Christ.

As I said. Your conscience rests on your doctrine only.

My conscience rests on the life I live by my faith in Jesus.

You have new doctrine while sinning, I have a new life while not sinning.

Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

There are no sinning Christians in the body of the sinless Christ.

Post please, where I've said these things? Again, you just make stuff up to suit yourself.

I've asked you to confess yourself plainly.

I'll lead the way. I am not a sinner anymore. I do believe Christians can walk as Jesus walked at all times. I do not believe all people, including Christians, are still sinners. I do not believe all Christians will sin some more.

And you?

 

[marks]

I am not a sinner anymore.

Yet you continue to speak falsely of others. Like I said, I tend to look at what people do, not the claims they make for themself.

You know nothing about me. Enough is enough.

Much love!

 

[Ghada]

Yet you continue to speak falsely of others. Like I said, I tend to look at what people do, not the claims they make for themself.

You know nothing about me. Enough is enough.

Much love!

True. The usual ending of yours, until you come around again. More general accusations. No specifics. More doctrine talk alone, and when it comes down to taking a stand on how you live, you go slip sliding away.

And so, I add to my rule with you. I don't bother with your personal issues anymore, nor asking you any questions for a straight answer about how you live.

If you come with more doctrine to scrutinize, then fine. I'm always glad to agree or disagree with biblical support. Unfortunately, I can tell you've pretty much run out of any new ways to justify your Christian religion for continued sinners.

There is no sinning member of the body of the sinless Christ.

There is no sinning son of the true and living God.

No person on earth while sinning with the devil, by inward lusting and outward works of the flesh, is born, sanctified, circumcised, saved, justified, nor being preserved by Christ Jesus and His God and Father.

Which begins with me and any one naming the name of Christ.

Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary.

For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

The only christ that has respect of persons to justify his own, and condemning others, at the time of doing the same things, is NOT Jesus Christ.

Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not,

 

[ScottA]

There are no new apostles to write new Bible.

What's to correct here?

"Destructive doctrines."

But why do you say "there are no new apostles" (meaning: ones sent), when "God is the same, yesterday, today, and forever?"

 

[Ghada]

"Destructive doctrines."

But why do you say "there are no new apostles" (meaning: ones sent), when "God is the same, yesterday, today, and forever?"

There are no new apostles to write new Bible.

Meaning: Ones chosen in person by Jesus Christ to write His doctrine and commandments for His churches.

Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:

And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

Jesus and His words are the same yesterday, today, and forever, and do no change nor counter themselves.

Your stuff counters His words already written. All you do is revelate new stuff of your own, and mangle the Bible to try and make them fit.

It's like cutting puzzle pieces and jamming them into places. You make a twisted Picasso out of the Bible portrait of Jesus Christ.

 

[ScottA]

There are no new apostles to write new Bible.

Meaning: Ones chosen in person by Jesus Christ to write His doctrine and commandments for His churches.

Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:

And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

Jesus and His words are the same yesterday, today, and forever, and do no change nor counter themselves.

Your stuff counters His words already written. All you do is revelate new stuff of your own, and mangle the Bible to try and make them fit.

It's like cutting puzzle pieces and jamming them into places. You make a twisted Picasso out of the Bible portrait of Jesus Christ.

You are a broken record and you do not understand.

Was Paul not sent, not an apostle, not chosen in the flesh? Go ahead make an exception--for if Paul was an apostle...so am I.

 

[Ghada]

You are forgetting that while we are in this life, we are to some extent "unclean".

You are making presumptive statements upon a lie you personally choose to believe.

I am not 'forgetting' it. I'm rejecting it as foolish Christian doctrine.

There is nothing spiritually unclean about any babe born into the world. A natural bloody mess is not sinful, nor is mortality of the natural body. The doctor doesn't whack the baby's bottom because the babe sinned by being conceived and born into the world.

Some Christians just need to grow up and stop making Christianity a mockery to Christ, by blaming their bodies made by Christ for tempting man to sin against God.

Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

Man's lust for the body comes from within the heart, not from the body tempting the heart.

But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin;

It's not the eyeball that is lusting and adulterous, but the heart that lusts with the eyes.

That means you will never save the flesh, unless the flesh itself is converted.

The flesh is only saved in the resurrection of the dead, if we live in our flesh to please God as Jesus.

On earth, the soul and life in our body are saved from sinning.

And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

In God's spiritual doctrine of the Bible, the eye is the light and the body is the life we live. People reading the Bible carnally think God is speaking of the natural eye and body as lusting and sinning and needing to be 'cleansed'. They have no more mind of Christ, than Nicodemus thinking of his mother's womb to re-enter and be born again.

(P.s. Even Nicodemus new the only pure ones on earth were babes from the womb, before growing up to sin like all men...)

 

[ScottA]

There is nothing spiritually unclean about any babe born into the world.

Again, this (above) is error. For all who are born of women are born by "kind" (read Genesis) after the lineage of the mother of sin.

 

[Ghada]

You are a broken record and you do not understand.

Was Paul not sent, not an apostle, not chosen in the flesh? Go ahead make an exception--for if Paul was and apostle...so am I.

Paul wrote Bible. Not you. You write a new bible of your own making, and try to make the Bible fit into it.

Your stuff makes the Bible into just another book of mysterious fables.

Ex: Jesus didn't cast off His immortal flesh and bones while ascending into heaven, like a snake sloughing off his old skin, to go and live in a 'new body' in heaven.

That left behind old body you're eating isn't the Lord's.

For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

You're transforming yourself into the body of an old snake and serpent, called 'new revelation' of truth.

You may have been to the third heaven my friend, but the stuff your 'revealing' sure didn't come from there, nor the Bible.

Many people call their deep things from God, when they are really the depths of Satan. I've been there and done that too.

But now, as I do, if you would just apply that intellect of yours to teach the Bible in context of all the Bible, without morphing it into something else, you'd make a great apostle of truth agreeing with all the apostles that have written the truth from Jesus.

Believe me. It's much more enlightening and fascinating to have the truth of the Bible revealed by the Spirit, than having other new stuff revealed by another spirit of your own.

The first step to rightly divide the word of truth, is to rightly divide between what is written, and what is not. And the first rule of right ministry is to only teach what is written, and not what we really want to be written as though it were.

If one single verse of the Bible opposes what we teach, what we teach is not Bible of God, and must either be changed to fit the Bible, or cast out altogether. To teach the Bible rightly takes discipline with revelation. Personal revelation without Bible is just having sloppy fun.

Look, you have said that you are a new apostolic writer of new revelation of truth, as well as saying it need not conform to the Bible. So, why not just write your new revelation and leave the Bible alone? Why go through all the machinations of trying to make the Bible fit it?

You show your own duplicity by trying to show how the Bible agrees with your new truths, when you say you do not need conform to Bible truth.

Just reveal your new truths independent of the Bible, or even add it to Rev 22:21, and leave the Bible alone. I might then at least have fun reading what you 'reveal'. I'm always interested in alternative religions, philosophies, and revelations such as the Buddha or Confucius or even the Koran.

I don't have to believe something to be fascinated by it. But I only believe what the Bible says from the true God and Jesus Christ.

The reason I no longer tag team with you over the Bible, is because I've done it so much with you, that I've gotten bored by it. The reason you don't with me, is because you've gotten your apostolic anger all up in a huff.

I say truce and pax: Just teach your stuff, and we'll leave the Bible out of it, and then I can just keep learning about new stuff. (I promise to confine my Bible corrections to my own notes.)

 

[ScottA]

Paul wrote Bible. Not you. You write a new bible of your own making, and try to make the Bible fit into it.

Your stuff makes the Bible into just another book of mysterious fables.

Ex: Jesus didn't cast off His immortal flesh and bones while ascending into heaven, like a snake sloughing off his old skin, to go and live in a 'new body' in heaven.

That left behind old body you're eating isn't the Lord's.

For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

You're transforming yourself into the body of an old snake and serpent, called 'new revelation' of truth.

You may have been to the third heaven my friend, but the stuff your 'revealing' sure didn't come from there, nor the Bible.

Many people call their deep things from God, when they are really the depths of Satan. I've been there and done that too.

But now, as I do, if you would just apply that intellect of yours to teach the Bible in context of all the Bible, without morphing it into something else, you'd make a great apostle of truth agreeing with all the apostles that have written the truth from Jesus.

Believe me. It's much more enlightening and fascinating to have the truth of the Bible revealed by the Spirit, than having other new stuff revealed by another spirit of your own.

The first step to rightly divide the word of truth, is to rightly divide between what is written, and what is not. And the first rule of right ministry is to only teach what is written, and not what we really want to be written as though it were.

If one single verse of the Bible opposes what we teach, what we teach is not Bible of God, and must either be changed to fit the Bible, or cast out altogether. To teach the Bible rightly takes discipline with revelation. Personal revelation without Bible is just having sloppy fun.

Look, you have said that you are a new apostolic writer of new revelation of truth, as well as saying it need not conform to the Bible. So, why not just write your new revelation and leave the Bible alone? Why go through all the machinations of trying to make the Bible fit it?

You show your own duplicity by trying to show how the Bible agrees with your new truths, when you say you do not need conform to Bible truth.

Just reveal your new truths independent of the Bible, or even add it to Rev 22:21, and leave the Bible alone. I might then at least have fun reading what you 'reveal'. I'm always interested in alternative religions, philosophies, and revelations such as the Buddha or Confucius or even the Koran.

I don't have to believe something to be fascinated by it. But I only believe what the Bible says from the true God and Jesus Christ.

The reason I no longer tag team with you over the Bible, is because I've done it so much with you, that I've gotten bored by it. The reason you don't with me, is because you've gotten your apostolic anger all up in a huff.

I say truce and pax: Just teach your stuff, and we'll leave the Bible out of it, and then I can just keep learning about new stuff. (I promise to confine my Bible corrections to my own notes.)

Bla, bla, bla.

I have said nothing that is not given to me from God and that does not agree with but explains the scriptures. God is my witness, as was Paul. But you do not hear what the Spirit says or you would not reject the truth, but prefer to believe the foretold lie embodying the foretold strong delusion while making the same mistakes as Israel who killed the prophets and their own Messiah.

I leave you to it.

 

[Ghada]

Bla, bla, bla.

I have said nothing that is not given to me from God and that does not agree with but explains the scriptures. God is my witness, as was Paul. But you do not hear what the Spirit says or you would not reject the truth, but prefer to believe the foretold lie embodying the foretold strong delusion while making the same mistakes as Israel who killed the prophets and their own Messiah.

I leave you to it.

Thought I might wheedle some more of your brand spankin' new apostolic visions and revelations, if I promise not to correct them from the Bible.

Oh well.

 

[Peterlag]

Thought I might wheedle some more of your brand spankin' new apostolic visions and revelations, if I promise not to correct them from the Bible.

Oh well.

The place is filled with experts.

 

[ScottA]

The place is filled with experts.

It is obvious that you say that facetiously, and indeed we should hold a defensive position against those who speak falsely regarding the truth from God, for they are many. Yet it is more important not to quench the Spirit, for if we fall victim to those who speak falsely, it is on them. But if we quench the Spirit--it is on us, even unforgivable.

There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

 

[Ghada]

The place is filled with experts.

I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:

The only expertise we need is to compare what is written, to what others say is written, and is not.

We all must conform our minds, and hearts, and lives to the Bible, not the other way around.

The only new revelation I seek is that which is only new for me from the Bible. Knowing with certainty the Bible doctrine and revelation of Christ, is enough for me.

I thank God I've not gone to the third heaven, by some of the newly revealed stuff from it, that I've seen here.

How any man can possibly think he has new revelation of truth from God, that does not need be confirmed and conformed to Bible doctrine already given to us, shows an experience of a 3rd kind of heaven, that is not the heaven of God.