Church Age

[Enoch111]

What was sleeping when Jesus said to the people - "Don't weep, don't worry, they are asleep" (paraphrased)... ?

Jesus was using sleep as A METAPHOR for death (as already stated).

Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep. Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead. (John 11:13,14)

Even though we have this plainly stated in the Bible, people continue to believe the nonsense about Soul Sleep. Sleep is a metaphor for death in that a corpse gives the appearance of sleeping when laid in the grave. But the soul and spirit have already departed. Either to Heaven or to Hades.

 

[Joseph77]

Jesus was using sleep as A METAPHOR for death (as already stated)

"Just a minute", I'll have to look that up (in other references, not on this forum)....

Btw, WHO made Jesus and God's Meanings of the word "sleep", and the facts,

subject to your knowledge of the word "a metaphor" , and your knowledge of "sleep" ?

 

[Earburner]

Well, as far as I can tell, I agree with what you have said. So what is this 'blending of religious speak' you speak of.

Stranger

If you agree,...then when is the first resurrection?
Here is another clue:
Revelation 1[6] And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

 

[Joseph77]

.... " who constituted us a kingdom, priests to His God and Father ..." is another translation from Greek, well known. (Wuest)

 

[101G]

The verses you use in (1 Thess 4:13-18) speak to the Rapture, not the Second Coming. Thus your confusion. Stranger

stranger are you really listing to yourself? 1 Thess 4:13-18 is not speaking of a rapture but the second coming, listen, 1 Thessalonians 4:16 "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first". this is the FIRST RESURRECTION, and it's only 2 resurrection. and Christ comes the second time for the SAINTS/CHURCH. this is the ONLY resurrection of those in CHRIST who sleep, and those alive changed, ther is nothing before this, nor after this as to Christ.

now this, "1st is ordinal not cardinal." is just an excuse for the truth. 1st in resurection means just that Ordinal, and the 2nd resurrection is Ordinal, so there is no excuse. it's irrelevant as to how many/Cardinal are in both resurrection. so no that excuse want fly.

1 Thess 4:13-18 is speaking of Christ seconding coming, and not a rapture. and after the 1,000 years then the 2nd/Ordinal resurrection occures.

so try again,

PICJAG.

 

[Stan B]

When does the church age end?? wouldn't the church age also be considered the age of grace??

the church age ending before the tribulation is key component in making the pre-trib theory work, I dont see it..

To me the church age is the age of Grace, and that is when Jesus is our salvation, anyone who puts Jesus as there Lord and savior is in the Church age, that does not end during tribulation, so my thought is the church age goes on into tribulation and does not end until the 1,000 rule begins?? what say you?? View attachment 9174

The church age is over, after the 6th seal is opened and as the 144,000 Jews are sealed, and the saints are raptured. Rev 7. "I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could count, from every nation and all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb". “These who are clothed in the white robes, who are they, and where have they come from?” I said to him, “My lord, you know.” And he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation. Rev 7:9-14

No more saints, no more church.

 

[Enoch111]

stranger are you really listing to yourself? 1 Thess 4:13-18 is not speaking of a rapture but the second coming...

How can anyone be so thoroughly confused?

Do you know what the Second Coming is all about?
And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of His saints, To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him. (Jude 1:14,15)

 

[101G]

2. THE SAINTS WHO HAVE DIED WILL COME WITH CHRIST FROM HEAVEN
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus [those who died] will God bring with him.

At the Resurrection/Rapture Christ brings with Himself the souls and spirits of the saints who have died, and reunites them with their immortal glorified bodies. And as the Bible says, the saints who are alive at that time DO NOT precede the ones who are resurrected. But all of this is momentary, if you had carefully studied 1 Corinthians 15.

this is not saying "souls" or the Living person are in heavens no, let's see what is being brought to earth by God for us in the resurrection,
2 Corinthians 5:1 "For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens". what's that? for the body without the spirit is "DEAD" . do the dead in christ have bodies? NO, because they sleep, or they are dead, (without spirits). the DEAD don't have bodies, listen, for "BODY" without the the spirit is DEAD, BINGO. so what's coming with God? that which was returned to God. that what he gave in you and I from the beginning, my beginning and all of us beginning... "spirit". the spirit returns to God who "GAVE" it at death. so what is God bringing with him? NEW BODIES, give to us who if alsleep a resurrection. a body plus spirit = LIVING SOUL. lets see it in scriptures,
1 Corinthians 15:35 "But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
1 Corinthians 15:36 "Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die: (WHAT WAS SOWN? A NATURAL ... "BODY), but is dissolved, except for the bones, for the flesh returnes to the dust, but not the bones, or the bare grain, listen,
1 Corinthians 15:37 "And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
1 Corinthians 15:38 "But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body". that's what's coming with God. new bodies, a new house. for in my Father's house/Spirit are many masions, and masions here is a place of residence, or to abode... as in dwelling, as a building of this tabernacle.

not any saint that are in heaven, NO, if so what's the need to come? ..... thuh... you already would have. and if you say you don't have, then you're not in heaven. why bring them to earth again when they supposdly have already left? that's not even carnal sense.

that bare grain that is in the grave, your bones, will have sinew placed on Y ..O.. U (see Ezekiel 37).

so no, no saints are coming from heaven, dead or alive, nor picked up in between.

PICJAG.

 

[Joseph77]

all on the "no fly" list ?

so no, no saints are coming from heaven, dead or alive, nor picked up in between.

 

[101G]

How can anyone be so thoroughly confused?

Do you know what the Second Coming is all about?
And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of His saints, To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him. (Jude 1:14,15)

ok, what is the JUDGMENT that he is excuting at his second coming? ... remember this is before the 1,000 years and the GREAT white throne judgment....

PICJAG.

 

[101G]

all on the "no fly" list ?

Saints are not "flying away anywhere". ...

PICJAG.

 

[Joseph77]

Tangent Perhaps: Flying as on wings of Eagles as God's Word Says Clearly ?

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"In understanding G-d’s relationship with Israel, Moshe’s alludes to an eagle and its young. “Like an eagle arousing its nest hovering over its young; he spreads his wings, he takes it, he carries it on his wings.” (32:11) What is it about eagles that they carry their young on their wings? Rashi (R’ Shlomo Yitzchaki, 1040-1105, the commentator par excellence, whose commentary is considered basic to the understanding of the text) elucidates that other birds carry their young from place to place in their talons because they fear the eagle which soars over them, but the eagle fears nothing but the arrow, so it carries its young on its wing to protect them from attack from below. As the Jews approached Mount Sinai, G-d reminded them (Shemos 19:4) that they were carried from Egypt on the wings of eagles, and Rashi elucidates this refers to the moments before the splitting of the Sea when the Egyptians caught up to the Jews and G-d placed a Cloud of Glory between the two nations to absorb the arrows and stones hurled by the Egyptians. The Jewish people are eternally the young of the most powerful, highest soaring Being in the heavens who “personally” protects us while delivering us to accept His service.

But how do the young get on the back of the eagle? Other birds are picked up by the talons in which they are held during flight…but what about the eaglets? Explains Rabbi Matisyahu Salomon, Mashgiach Ruchni/Spiritual Mentor of Beth Medrash Govoha, the Yeshiva of Lakewood, NJ, that to be assured of the safe journey provided by the powerful parent, they have to jump on. They have to make the move that puts them into the position of safety. So, too, we have to “jump on”, making the commitment to cling to our Father and His Torah while He shields us from danger."

Safely Carried on the Wings of Eagles • Torah.org

 

[101G]

Tangent Perhaps: Flying as on wings of Eagles as God's Word Says Clearly ?

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"In understanding G-d’s relationship with Israel, Moshe’s alludes to an eagle and its young. “Like an eagle arousing its nest hovering over its young; he spreads his wings, he takes it, he carries it on his wings.” (32:11) What is it about eagles that they carry their young on their wings? Rashi (R’ Shlomo Yitzchaki, 1040-1105, the commentator par excellence, whose commentary is considered basic to the understanding of the text) elucidates that other birds carry their young from place to place in their talons because they fear the eagle which soars over them, but the eagle fears nothing but the arrow, so it carries its young on its wing to protect them from attack from below. As the Jews approached Mount Sinai, G-d reminded them (Shemos 19:4) that they were carried from Egypt on the wings of eagles, and Rashi elucidates this refers to the moments before the splitting of the Sea when the Egyptians caught up to the Jews and G-d placed a Cloud of Glory between the two nations to absorb the arrows and stones hurled by the Egyptians. The Jewish people are eternally the young of the most powerful, highest soaring Being in the heavens who “personally” protects us while delivering us to accept His service.

But how do the young get on the back of the eagle? Other birds are picked up by the talons in which they are held during flight…but what about the eaglets? Explains Rabbi Matisyahu Salomon, Mashgiach Ruchni/Spiritual Mentor of Beth Medrash Govoha, the Yeshiva of Lakewood, NJ, that to be assured of the safe journey provided by the powerful parent, they have to jump on. They have to make the move that puts them into the position of safety. So, too, we have to “jump on”, making the commitment to cling to our Father and His Torah while He shields us from danger."

Safely Carried on the Wings of Eagles • Torah.org

first thanks for the reply, but if one have a new body, why the need from arrow, even the evil one? protections from?. ect... as partaker of the "DIVINE" nature, what can harm you?..... thuh....

PICJAG.

 

[Joseph77]

Many TODAY are sick and dying , just as in the assembly at Corinth, and continue to get sick and to die,

"for lack of (experiential true knowledge)" as God Himself Says Clearly, in Perfect Harmony with all His Word.

Multitudes remain lost.

first thanks for the reply, but if one have a new body, why the need from arrow, even the evil one? protections from?. ect... as partaker of the "DIVINE" nature, what can harm you?..

 

[101G]

Many TODAY are sick and dying , just as in the assembly at Corinth, and continue to get sick and to die,

"for lack of (experiential true knowledge)" as God Himself Says Clearly, in Perfect Harmony with all His Word.

Multitudes remain lost.

the reason why many7 are sick and dying is that they refuse to be heal. Matthew 13:15 "For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them".

PICJAG./

 

[Joseph77]

the reason why many7 are sick and dying is that they refuse to be heal.

That's not at all any contradiction to the rest of God's Word, including the part as was posted.

It is worthy of note, that all of the churches and forums so far asked if healing(salvation) is permitted, said and indicated in almost every way possible "NO!"....

 

[101G]

That's not at all any contradiction to the rest of God's Word, including the part as was posted.

It is worthy of note, that all of the churches and forums so far asked if healing(salvation) is permitted, said and indicated in almost every way possible "NO!"....

Healing/salvation is all of God's word. not all say "NO".

PICJAG

 

[Joseph77]

Healing/salvation is all of God's word. not all say "NO".

So what ? Have you found one or more yet that permit healing ?
(most refuse to repent of serving demons)

 

[101G]

So what ? Have you found one or more yet that permit healing ?
(most refuse to repent of serving demons)

the healing of God is the Gospel. Romans 1:16. hence the command, Matthew 28:19

PICJAG.

 

[Joseph77]

the healing of God is the Gospel. Romans 1:16. hence the command, Matthew 28:19

So what ? Have you found one or more yet that permit healing ?
(most refuse to repent of serving demons)

One or more where ?