That is a rather serious accusation. Exactly what are these "idols"? And can you provide a very specific example(s)?Many men in Protestantism also worship the idols of their fathers. Name ALL the idols.
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That is a rather serious accusation. Exactly what are these "idols"? And can you provide a very specific example(s)?Many men in Protestantism also worship the idols of their fathers. Name ALL the idols.
That is a rather serious accusation. Exactly what are these "idols"? And can you provide a very specific example(s)?
How can that be an "idol" and "false doctrine" when Christ Himself preached on eternal Hell and eternal torment? See Mark 9.One idol. I’ll start with one. His name is False Doctrine. He has many children. One is named Eternal Torment.
Christ taught nothing of the sort. It only appears that way because that's how people who have been inoculated with the pagan doctrine of eternal torment choose to read it. Christ spoke of a fire that won't be quenched and mentioned absolutely nothing about someone experiencing eternal torment in this fire.How can that be an "idol" and "false doctrine" when Christ Himself preached on eternal Hell and eternal torment? See Mark 9.
"You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons; you cannot partake of the Lord's table and of the table of demons." - 1 Cor. 10:21OK, I can see you don't know me. Yes I watch and attend Catholic Mass. But I don't pray to mary the saints or angels. And I think that is the point of this thread. That we don't have to believe all of what a church proposes to join them in worship. You seem to think otherwise and condemn people that do. The practicing of condemning I find very judgmental. Warning is one thing, but that is not what you do, you condemn people. You are repeatedly attacking my character and the Catholic church, stop!
Since I already gave you the Scriptures (and there are many more), you are contradicting Christ. There is nothing more to be said.Christ taught nothing of the sort.
Interesting point, Lambano, and I agree. I don't think any individual or Church would say they know it all or they have it all right.Sheesh, why the expectation that a church’s doctrine and praxis have to be perfect? Or rather, to match your own, which we know is perfect? These are institutions of Men. All I ask is that Christ be exalted, the scriptures be proclaimed, and the people love one another. If some of the praxis or doctrine seems foolish, just ignore it.
The Church of Lowered Expectations.
Snippy isn't a problem with me. You did well! I didn't take it personally as we were discussing beliefs, not each others character. I respect that. I honestly just wasn't sure what you were getting at.Btw @FHII I think you're a nice person and I like you, and I am sorry for being snippy last night. That's on me.
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And that seems to be a major problem. You can present the truth 100 times, and the errorist will reject it 100 times. But the Bible says that we are to reject the heretic after the first two times. Which means that people should not go on and on and on trying to correct those who are in error. In fact it is detrimental to be doing that.Being ignorant or wrong is not necessarily a sin, but refusing truth is.
Depends on the doctrine. Some are essential to me; most I can agree to disagree. I don’t major in minors. It helps keep me sane. Some of the things you guys are willing to fight to the death for aren’t that important.Interesting point, Lambano, and I agree. I don't think any individual or Church would say they know it all or they have it all right.
Now, what a Church or individual does when they are found in error is another matter. While I have no problem with defending a doctrine to the end (thus not being a reed shaking in the wind), once you have exhausted your defense and are still in error, what do you do?
Those that accept correction when wrong are blessed. Being ignorant or wrong is not necessarily a sin, but refusing truth is.
Well... I disagree with that. We are saved by Jesus Christ, but he said a little leaven....Depends on the doctrine. Some are essential to me; most I can agree to disagree. I don’t major in minors. It helps keep me sane. Some of the things you guys are willing to fight to the death for aren’t that important.
We are not saved by belief in doctrine; we are saved by Jesus Christ.
And that seems to be a major problem. You can present the truth 100 times, and the errorist will reject it 100 times. But the Bible says that we are to reject the heretic after the first two times. Which means that people should not go on and on and on trying to correct those who are in error. In fact it is detrimental to be doing that.
Interesting you should bring that up!
Dont answer a fool in his folly or you will be just like him.
Answer a fool in his folly or he will be wise in his own eyes.
Anyone have any thoughts on that?
Depends on the doctrine. Some are essential to me; most I can agree to disagree. I don’t major in minors. It helps keep me sane. Some of the things you guys are willing to fight to the death for aren’t that important.
We are not saved by belief in doctrine; we are saved by Jesus Christ.
You and I both brother, no acceptance and no love against things that are against God's law and word.have i become the enemy because i tell us the truth . So be it . I am not going down this false unity direction .
And out of love i will only increase warning against it and any false church , any false doctrine
Anything that is contrary to the one true GOD and the one true JESUS CHRIST .
We all read Scripture though the lenses of human Reason, our own Experiences, and the understanding of faithful men and women who came before us, also known as Tradition. That’s not necessarily a bad thing; it’s just is what it is. In that sense, all doctrine is of Men. Some may claim direct revelation from the Spirit, but how do we test the spirits?ON POINT, agree bottom line, Christ Jesus IS Salvation.
However there are great Differences between Jesus’ Doctrine and man-made men’s doctrines, taught and preached in expressly particular different “identified” churches.
Thus, differences in what men accept, adhere to, and themselves teach and preach.
Glory to God,
Taken
This format is an open forum.
People speak for themselves their own beliefs, some know why they believe what they do, other’s don’t. Some can state why they believe what they do, other’s can’t.
People can and do Agee or Disagree. Some people speak for others, what the other never claimed.
Some people go round in circles to deflect away from Why they believe what they do, because once in Print, it reveals for anyone to see, the basis for agreement or disagreement, and any other, new to particular church doctrines, steeped in particular church doctrines, to consider options of churches to attend and be taught.
Point being; An agreement or disagreement between two, can still stand, and the banter back and forth, for the basis of WHY they disagree, (is from my view) for the benefit of others to consider.
IOW - I do not defend my beliefs, nor try to convince another to agree with me, but rather let the banter continue until each reveals the SOURCE, of WHY they believe what they do, for the benefit of others to consider.
Glory to God,
Taken
Brother, I ask in a spirit of kindness and gentleness: Is there a reason why the homosexuality issue is so important to you?I'll keep bashing the so called fake churches that hang rainbow flags on their buildings and have signs that say we're an all inclusive Church, for those are not churches but the house of Satan.