Church councils?

[Matthias]

if Christ had authority to send apostles and the apostles have the same authority then they too can send apostles Jn 20:21

21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.

See Acts 1:21-26 for the requirements of an apostle.

 

[Matthias]

Any Christian in Rome would have been a Roman Catholic.
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1 Timothy 3:2
A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
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1. Acts 1:20
   For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.
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2. Philippians 1:1
   Paul and Timotheus, the servants of Jesus Christ, to all the saints in Christ Jesus which are at Philippi, with the bishops and deacons:
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3. 1 Timothy 3:1
   This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
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4. 1 Timothy 3:2
   A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
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5. 2 Timothy 4:22
   The Lord Jesus Christ be with thy spirit. Grace be with you. Amen. The second epistle unto Timotheus, ordained the first bishop of the church of the Ephesians, was written from Rome, when Paul was brought before Nero the second time.
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6. Titus 1:7
   For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;
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7. Titus 3:15
   All that are with me salute thee. Greet them that love us in the faith. Grace be with you all. Amen. It was written to Titus, ordained the first bishop of the church of the Cretians, from Nicopolis of Macedonia.
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8. 1 Peter 2:25
   For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.
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Any Christian in Rome would have been a Christian residing in Rome.

 

[Enoch111]

The early church leaders were taught by the Apostles and many likely heard Jesus teach. Then they taught whoever was the next generations.

The only problem is that along the way -- and not too far from the apostles -- people began to change Bible truth and add their own ideas. So there was a mixture of truth and error. For example, by the second century people began to believe in baptismal regeneration. However regeneration is internal, supernatural, and by the power of the Holy Spirit (Titus 3:4-7).

 

[Philip James]

yep
Vatican 2 does not qualify on any level

proper intention:
Proper form:
Proper matter:

And it contradicts catholic dogma

You are not competant to render that judgement,
How dare you berate our protestant brethren, when you, yourself reject the very authority of the Church?

Pride goeth before a fall brother, i suggest you pray about it.

Pax et Bonum

 

[Philip James]

Why did the ecclesiastical "authorities" not respect the Jerusalem council? Were Peter Paul and James not more authoritative than later pretenders? If God had wanted to create a religious formula (instead of life in the Spirit) why wait 300 years?

Hello Episkopos,

What do you mean? Any particular church 'authority' that rejected the decision of the Jerusalem council would be corrected, or excommunicated in the extreme case that they continued to insist on circumcision and imposing the law of Moses on the gentiles.
The 'Judaizers' were corrected or driven out.

This council sets the prototype for all future councils.

' it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us...'

Pax et Bonum

 

[Episkopos]

Hello Episkopos,

What do you mean? Any particular church 'authority' that rejected the decision of the Jerusalem council would be corrected, or excommunicated in the extreme case that they continued to insist on circumcision and imposing the law of Moses on the gentiles.
The 'Judaizers' were corrected or driven out.

This council sets the prototype for all future councils.

' it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us...'

Pax et Bonum

We must make a distinction between those who actually walk in the Spirit (who don't impose religious conditions) and ecclesiastical men who are looking for advantage (like the Pharisees).

Look how open the apostles were toward those who possessed eternal life. No point in trying to control the faith of others. Not so the councils and creeds that followed afterward.

 

[The Learner]

The only problem is that along the way -- and not too far from the apostles -- people began to change Bible truth and add their own ideas. So there was a mixture of truth and error. For example, by the second century people began to believe in baptismal regeneration. However regeneration is internal, supernatural, and by the power of the Holy Spirit (Titus 3:4-7).

Prove that from the Early Church Fathers using only primary sources from newadvent.org with quotes and links to check context.

 

[Enoch111]

Prove that from the Early Church Fathers using only primary sources from newadvent.org with quotes and links to check context.

Quoting from NewAdvent.org, here is what is stated about baptismal regeneration, and Justin Martyr is regarded as an Early Church Father:

"The same is taught by the Fathers. St. Justin Martyr (First Apology 66) declares that in baptism we are created anew, that is, consequently, free from all stain of sin."

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Baptism

 

[The Learner]

who is the you?

whatsoever you bind on earth.

A Biblical Scholar

"19I will give you the keys (authority) of the kingdom of heaven; and whatever you bind [forbid, declare to be improper and unlawful] on earth [h]will have [already] been bound in heaven, and whatever you loose [permit, declare lawful] on earth https://biblehub.com/amp/matthew/16.htm#fnwill have [already] been loosed in heaven.”" Matthew 16 Amplified Bible

Matthew 16:19, CSB: I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will have been bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will have been loosed in heaven."

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Matthew 16:18. In Revelation 1:18; Revelation 3:7 Christ the Risen Lord has "the keys of death and of Hades." He has also "the keys of the kingdom of heaven" which he here hands over to Peter as "gatekeeper" or "steward" (οικονομος) provided we do not understand it as a special and peculiar prerogative belonging to Peter. The same power here given to Peter belongs to every disciple of Jesus in all the ages. Advocates of papal supremacy insist on the primacy of Peter here and the power of Peter to pass on this supposed sovereignty to others. But this is all quite beside the mark. We shall soon see the disciples actually disputing again (Matthew 18:1) as to which of them is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven as they will again (Matthew 20:21) and even on the night before Christ's death. Clearly neither Peter nor the rest understood Jesus to say here that Peter was to have supreme authority. What is added shows that Peter held the keys precisely as every preacher and teacher does. To "bind" (δησηις) in rabbinical language is to forbid, to "loose" (λυσηις) is to permit. Peter would be like a rabbi who passes on many points. Rabbis of the school of Hillel "loosed" many things that the school of Schammai "bound." The teaching of Jesus is the standard for Peter and for all preachers of Christ. Note the future perfect indicative (εστα δεδεμενον, εστα λελυμενον), a state of completion. All this assumes, of course, that Peter's use of the keys will be in accord with the teaching and mind of Christ. The binding and loosing is repeated by Jesus to all the disciples (Matthew 18:18). Later after the Resurrection Christ will use this same language to all the disciples (John 20:23), showing that it was not a special prerogative of Peter. He is simply first among equals, primus inter pares, because on this occasion he was spokesman for the faith of all. It is a violent leap in logic to claim power to forgive sins, to pronounce absolution, by reason of the technical rabbinical language that Jesus employed about binding and loosing. Every preacher uses the keys of the kingdom when he proclaims the terms of salvation in Christ. The proclamation of these terms when accepted by faith in Christ has the sanction and approval of God the Father. The more personal we make these great words the nearer we come to the mind of Christ. The more ecclesiastical we make them the further we drift away from him."
Matthew 16 - Robertson's Word Pictures in the New Testament - Bible Commentaries - StudyLight.org

 

[The Learner]

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This is the import of Matthew 16:19 , second clause. Binding and loosing, in Rabbinical dialect, meant forbidding and permitting to be done. The judgment of the Rabbis was mostly wrong: the reverse of the righteousness of the kingdom. The judgment of the new society as to conduct would be in accordance with the truth of things, therefore valid in heaven. That is what Jesus meant to say. Note the perfect participles δεδεμένον , λελυμένον = shall be a thing bound or loosed once for all. The truth of all three statements is conditional on the Christ spirit continuing to rule in the new society. Only on that condition is the statement about the πύλαι ᾅδου , Matthew 16:18 , clause 2, valid. What precisely the verbal meaning of the statement is whether that the gates of Hades shall not prevail in conflict against it, as ordinarily understood; or merely that the gates, etc., shall not be stronger than it, without thought of a conflict (Weiss), is of minor moment; the point is that it is not an absolute promise. The ἐκκλησία will be strong, enduring, only so long as the faith in the Father and in Christ the Son, and the spirit of the Father and the Son, reign in it. When the Christ spirit is weak the Church will be weak, and neither creeds nor governments, nor keys, nor ecclesiastical dignities will be of much help to her.
" Matthew 16 - The Expositor's Greek Testament - Bible Commentaries - StudyLight.org

 

[The Learner]

NET Bible
19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth will have been bound in heaven, and whatever you release on earth will have been released in heaven.”

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However, the phrase, “will be bound in heaven” is not a good translation of the Greek verb. The “to be” verb is not a simple future, but rather a future passive periphrastic (and thus is most accurately translated “shall have been”), while the verb “bind” is a perfect passive participle. Williams translates the verse as:

" rel="Matt 16:19" ver=" (REV)" class="findvers_reference" >Matt. 16:19: “I will give you the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven, and whatever you forbid on earth must be what is already forbidden in heaven, and whatever you permit on earth must be what is already permitted in heaven.”

" rel="Matt 18:18" ver=" (REV)" class="findvers_reference" >Matt. 18:18: “...whatever you forbid on earth must be already forbidden in heaven, and whatever you permit on earth must be already permitted in heaven.”"
Matthew 16:19, REV Bible and Commentary

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Future passive periphrastic of πατεω, to tread, old verb.

Until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled (αχρ ου πληρωθωσιν καιρο εθνων). First aorist passive subjunctive with αχρ ου like εως ου. What this means is not clear except that Paul in Romans 11:25 shows that the punishment of the Jews has a limit. The same idiom appears there also with αχρ ου and the aorist subjunctive."
Luke 21 - Robertson's Word Pictures in the New Testament - Bible Commentaries - StudyLight.org

 

[The Learner]

A.T. Robertson: Word Pictures in the New Testament - Matthew
https://www.ccel.org › robertson_at › wp_matt.xx.html

Future passive periphrastic perfect indicative as in “shall be loosed” [estai lelumena]. In 16:19 this same unusual form occurs. The binding and the loosing ...

 

[The Learner]

80. Mantey, J. R. (1939). “The Mistranslation of the Perfect Tense in John 20.23, Matt 16.19, and Matt
18.18”. Journal of Biblical Literature, 58, 243-249; Mantey, J. R. (1973). “Evidence That The Perfect
Tense in John 20.23 and Matthew 16.19 is Mistranslated”. Journal of the Evangelical Theological
Society, 16, 129-138; Mantey, J. R. (1981). “Distorted Translations in John 20.23; Matthew 16.18-19 and
18.18”. Review and Expositor, 78, 409-416.

 

[The Learner]

I can not read this color: Binding and Loosing Part 1

In both Matthew 16:19 and 18:18, the syntax of the Greek text makes the meaning clear: “Whatever thou mayest bind upon the earth shall be having been bound in the heavens, and whatever thou mayest loose upon the earth shall be having been loosed in the heavens” (Matthew 16:19, Young’s Literal Translation). Or, as the Amplified Bible puts it, “Whatever you bind [forbid, declare to be improper and unlawful] on earth will have [already] been bound in heaven, and whatever you loose [permit, declare lawful] on earth will have [already] been loosed in heaven.”

What does the Bible mean by binding and loosing? | GotQuestions.org

 

[The Learner]

Didache written in 90 AD
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1. Concerning baptism, baptise thus: Having first rehearsed all these things, "baptise, in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost," in running water;"

 

[The Learner]

start at Today at 9:48 AM#40

 

[theefaith]

See Acts 1:21-26 for the requirements of an apostle.

If it ain’t possible it ain’t required

 

[theefaith]

Proper intention:
The church does what the church has always done and a council must be doctrinal in nature.

John 23 when asked what doctrine are you going to define with the council and what errors are you going to condemn said: none, it’s going to be a “pastoral council” and there is no such thing as a “pastoral council” so it does not have proper intention of doing what the church does!

Proper form: the proper form of a council is clear concise unambiguous language, Vatican 2 is purposely ambiguous, contradictory, and rambles on and on!

proper matter: a council is extraordinary magisterium, Paul 6 was quoted saying: Vatican 2 is ordinary magisterium!

not a valid council and not binding on anyone!

 

[Matthias]

If it ain’t possible it ain’t required

It was possible and it was required.

 

[theefaith]

It was possible and it was required.

the apostles are still needed to teach all nations and to baptize disciples!